.470 NE Krieghoff Classic Big Five Complete Package For Sale – Save $7,000

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Yes, I know, folks are going to say that Blaser madness is upon me, but I am selling my Krieghoff .470...

The reason I am selling it, after considerable soul searching, is that I want to do it all with the Blaser R8 in order to have only one set of ergonomics burned in my muscle memory, and I have a .458 Lott barrel for dangerous game for it, in addition to the .375 H&H, .300 Wby, and .257 Wby barrels for cats, plains game and mountains game, and the .223 Rem training barrel with which I am gaining overwhelming muscle memory because I practice with it on steel constantly.

This “K Gun” is rock-solid (as they all are) and has a very tight lock - perfect water-table and on-the-face contact - but it is broken-in and not hard to open. Nothing worse than struggling to break the rifle open on a knee when something angry is coming…

As many of you know for having seen it before in hunt reports, it is a real safari rifle that has been to Africa several times, that has hunted Buffalo, Elephant and Lion, that shoots straight, and that is proven. It is in very, very good shape, but I would not say that it is in as-new condition like some doubles that never saw Africa. Like every rifle that has spent many days tracking on foot, it has lost a hair line of bluing on the sharp edges. It also has a few marks and one small dig on the stock - visible a couple inches ahead of the recoil pad on the top of the stock in the attached picture, if you zoom in - it will be easy to fill with wood paste if you want, but I never bothered...

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The action is blued, which totally eliminates the risk of nickel-plating peeling off, as occasionally seen on K guns used in foul weather.

Double triggers of course, so that soft or solid can be instantly selected if one of each is loaded. The front trigger is articulated.

The rifle has 23 5/8” (60 cm) barrels, which is the perfect compromise for handiness in dense bush while retaining muzzle velocity and reducing muzzle flash and blast.

The chambers and throats are spotless, and the barrels rifling is very crisp. The rifle has never shot early-generation, too hard, naval bronze solids. I learned that lesson on its predecessor (Pre-WW II Belgian Jules Burry .450 No 2) that I retired and sold when its ammo became impossible to find.

The rifle has a 1” Decelerator pad. The length of pull on the first trigger is 15”, and the rifle is equipped with a factory installed recoil reducer epoxied in the buttstock. It makes it balance perfectly (K Gun tend to be a little muzzle heavy otherwise). The rifle weighs 11 lbs. which is the classic, proper weight for a .470 and makes recoil very manageable.

The rifle comes with a detachable (Allen wrench and thumb screw provided) Leica Tempus red dot 3.5 MOA installed by the Krieghoff shop, as well as a Trader Keith sling with quick-detach swivels, and a Krieghoff soft case.

The rifle does not have automatic ejectors, so it does not produce the dreaded loud double “ping” when reloading, but empties fly out perfectly with a quick twist of the wrist, as every practiced double rifle user is familiar with.

The rifle comes with 235 factory load Hornady DGS which is a very reliable solid; 19 factory load NEW Hornady DGX Bonded which corrected the issue with the non-bonded original DGX; 95 factory load Barnes TSX; 40 factory loads Barnes banded solids; 10 factory load Norma PH Woodleigh Solid; 10 factory load Norma PH Woodleigh Soft; 10 factory load Federal Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer; a set of two RCBS dies that I never used; 500 Hornady DGS bullets for hunting and practice; 250 DGX bullets non-bonded, that I recommend for practice only; and whatever brass I have currently on hand: around 60 once-shot Hornady and Barnes. I had planned to reload for practice and never got to it…

The rifle shoots verified 2"+ groups at 50 yards, which is the Holy Grail of double rifles, with several great factory loads e.g. Norma PH Woodleigh solids, Norma PH Woodleigh softs, Barnes TSX, Hornady DGS, Federal Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer (see targets pics here under), as well as the NEW lesser appreciated but great DGX Bonded. The rifle also has never shot wider than 4" with any factory ammo I tried. As we all know, 4" @ 50 yards is the norm, as it is 1/2 minute of frontal elephant brain shot (8" wide), and of course it is tack-driving accuracy for any DG body shot. This means that the rifle can hunt with ANY available factory ammo.

This is a complete package, and those who know me, know that I am rather meticulous with my kit…

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I am not interested in trade-offs or bartering; it is priced to sell. I am not very interested in parceling out the package. I am OK for layaway for AH members of long standing, with progress payments over a couple months, but I keep the rifle until paid in full. In so many words, I am really not interested in this becoming a pain in the neck: it is a proper rifle looking for a proper home, not a junkyard fire sale...

Yes, I know that one can buy a brand new Chapuis for the same price, or even a brand new Sabatti for $7,500, but this is a Krieghoff… ‘nough said, those in the know understand the difference…

Certified bank check or USPS money order please. Shipping additional per actual cost to your FFL.


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It is not a safe queen; it is a real safari-proven rifle that has been to Africa several times and that has hunted Buffalo, Elephant and Lion.


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The chambers and throats are spotless, and the barrels rifling is very crisp. The rifle has never shot early-generation naval bronze solids.


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The rifle comes with a detachable (Allen wrench and thumb screw provided) Leica Tempus red dot 3.5 MOA installed by the Krieghoff shop.


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Krieghoff regulation target serialized to the rifle.

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No Bubba gunsmithing on this rifle. Installation of the red dot done at the Krieghoff shop.


Actual groups shot standing from the sticks at 50 yards with factory ammo speak for themselves:

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Norma PH Woodleigh 500 gr solids @ 50 yards. The squares on the target are 1".

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Norma PH Woodleigh 500 gr softs @ 50 yards. The squares on the target are 1".

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Barnes TSX 500 gr @ 50 yards. The squares on the target are 1".

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Federal Trophy Bonded Sledgehammer 500 gr @ 50 yards. The squares on the target are 1". The red dot needs to be clicked 3 clicks down if this ammo is used for hunting.

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Hornady DGS 500 gr @ 50 yards. The squares on the target are 1". The red dot needs to be clicked 2 clicks down if this ammo is used for hunting. Hornady new DGX Bonded shoot inside the same group.


Thank you for reading. Please PM me if interested. I will send any detailed pic you may want.
 
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Are you sure you will not regret selling this rifle @One Day… ? Or perhaps as an heirloom for the kids later. Will be nicer showing this as “the rifle with which dad/grandad went to hunt the big five in Africa” instead of that plastic Lego rifle ;)

Just kidding on that last sentence!

But I have to admire your conviction to follow through with your analysis that an R8 with a suite of barrels is the better tool today than anything else.
 
It’s a lovely rifle and…..it’s a lovely rifle. Your logic is sound……but it’s a lovely rifle. Don’t do the car thing and get rid of the car that quietly you adore on the pretence it not practical or needed. It’s a lovely rifle….but I think I may have said that already lol.

FN
 
I completely understand. It is hard for most of us not all to keep multiple double rifles
 
What Fabnosh said. Don't sell your Saleen Mustang because you think an F150 is more practical. Unless you absolutely need the $.
Or you buy a Ram TRX. Have your cake and eat it too. Same speed, but in a truck that can carry the whole family and be written off.

But is the Blaser R8 comparable to the mighty TRX? As the owner of both, I have to say yes.
 
Or you buy a Ram TRX. Have your cake and eat it too. Same speed, but in a truck that can carry the whole family and be written off.

But is the Blaser R8 comparable to the mighty TRX? As the owner of both, I have to say yes.
Speed possibly. But drivability?
Heck with the family, drive the Saleen!
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys :)

No, I do not need the cash, but yes a few years back I finally buried Denys Finch Hatton and realized that I will never "have a farm in Africa", and the romance of the double has faded on me, leaving the inexorable reality that the R8:
  1. is virtually as fast as the double for the second shot because I cycle it under recoil and I am back on the sights with no discernable delay compared to the double (believe you me, I had my wife clock me many times!)...
  2. is incomparably faster than the double for the third and fourth shots...
  3. wears both good iron sights (Selous barrel) and a Leica Magnus 1-6.3x24 scope which makes it immensely more versatile, especially when the Blaser saddle mount comes off in literally 5 seconds, and can be back on in 10 to 15 seconds...
  4. shoots the .458 Lott that is considerably more versatile than the .470 NE past 50 yards...
  5. dare I say, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, fits me better, especially considering the muscle memory I constantly increase with the R8 shooting ~500 rounds of .223 per year...
So, I understand, and I would have abounded with you a few years back, but now, for me, function supersedes emotion when it comes to schlepping rifles to Africa...

Let someone else dream of Africa while fondling the Krieghoff, I assure you, it will not disappoint :)
 
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This will be a great deal for someone.

As a fellow R8 owner, I completely understand the practical decision of moving on from a nice rifle that you just won’t use. A safe queen, or another safari… the decision would be easy for me.
 
Very nice double and that is a very good package and price. I have a Kgun in 500/416 that is an amazing shooter. Understand your analysis on going to a platform that meets your needs. I am a double guy first and foremost so the R8 isn't my cup of tea but works for you so enjoy shooting what you want best of luck on the sale of your double. Someone will get a fantastic deal and a great rifle.
 
I was asked by PM by a member not interested in reloading if I would consider selling the rifle & accessories without the reloading components. This makes sense. So, the answer is yes :)

So, if you are only interested in the bullets etc. to reload, or in the rifles and its accessories, please PM me :)
 
The AH member who wanted to buy it and had asked me to set it aside for him for two months is not moving forward... The rifle / package is back on offer :)
 
Oh if I didn’t have all these medical bills piling up, But I must resist. Good luck on the sale
 

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