A thorough conversation with Swarovski - Conclusion: Rookhawk knows nothing and is wrong about everything

[CoElkHunter]

I have one rifle with one figured I needed to at least experience it before criticizing. All I do is spend all my time paranoid that the turret has gotten moved without me knowing it.

A friend of my father in law has missed two elk fiddling with the turrets on his Burris scope. My father in law has taken multiple shots at an elk within 300 yards with his turreted Night Force scope before he got it. Now, a big part of that is they both don't practice with their rifles/scopes. They're using the turrets as a substitute for practice and familiarization. How many more hunters are out there just like them? I'll bet THOUSANDS!

 

[WAB]

A friend of my father in law has missed two elk fiddling with the turrets on his Burris scope. My father in law has taken multiple shots at an elk within 300 yards with his turreted Night Force scope before he got it. Now, a big part of that is they both don't practice with their rifles/scopes. They're using the turrets as a substitute for practice and familiarization. How many more hunters are out there just like them? I'll bet THOUSANDS!

I’ll say it again, what the hell is anyone
doing using turrets inside 400 yards???

 

[sureshot375]

Well I’m glad other people have started to realize you don’t know anything!!

It is bizarre that so much of the market is dedicated to turrets and crazy reticles. These are useless for 98% of all hunting applications.

How hard would it be for Leupold to make non-cds models???

In a somewhat related topic, Euro Optic has pretty good prices right now on the 1” z5 and z5i lineup.

I accidentally picked one up last night.

 

[franzfmdavis]

I looked at the Leica Fortis glossy scope at SCI and the fit and finish was impressive - it had an illuminated reticle and it was a high gloss and classic design, which would compliment a polished blued traditional rifle. I don't have one yet, but the specs seem practical too.

 

[375Fox]

How hard would it be for Leupold to make non-cds models???

This is my big frustration as well. I have zero use for CDS or any ballistic turret and especially 10x power and under.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

I’ll say it again, what the hell is anyone
doing using turrets inside 400 yards???

I agree, they would do themselves a credit to get a fixed 4x and practice.

 

[Aaron N]

@PerH - 8 x 56 “all rounder” - why would a 56m objective ever be an advantage? And if so, why not a 66 or 76….so we could shoot at Night by the light cast from Mars or Saturn ?

Because the pupil displayed to 7mm, so 56mm objective on 8 power will let 7mm’s worth of light to pass through. This is an extreme bastardizarion of a lecture given on here by @One Day...

 

[CoElkHunter]

I’ll say it again, what the hell is anyone
doing using turrets inside 400 yards???

I wouldn't know as I don't have a scope with turrets. I do have the BDC feature on a couple of scopes but I don't use it because the scope has to be set at full magnification for it to work. Also, why does anybody need a heavier 30mm scope for average hunting distances? I personally have never run out of adjustment on my 1" scopes when sighting in. Maybe with the turrets a 30mm is needed? I don't know. I do like the 50mm objective for light gathering ability at dawn/dusk with my few scopes. An illuminated reticle would be great though.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Because the pupil displayed to 7mm, so 56mm objective on 8 power will let 7mm’s worth of light to pass through. This is an extreme bastardizarion of a lecture given on here by @One Day...

Yes, @One Day... had a very detailed explanation of all this in one of his posts on a thread but I can't remember which one.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I agree, they would do themselves a credit to get a fixed 4x and practice.

Yes. From about '75 through '93, I had a fixed 4x Bushnell (before Bausch and Lomb bought them) scope on my .270 Winchester M70. It had a mechanical "Command Post" where you could pop it up in low light conditions. I shot several deer, pronghorn and one pig with it. I still have the scope which had the elevation knob sheared off when it came out of a scabbard and onto the ground and a horse stepped on it. Still held zero after that. I guess they don't make them like they used to? LOL