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How accurate are the various makes of double rifles barrels? If the right barrel of a double rifle is treated as if it were a single barrel gun- load development done just like it is done with a bolt action rifle. Is there a significant difference in the barrels from different makers regarding the barrels level of accuracy? What sort of grouping could be anticipated?
 
So, normally usually most of the time the two barrels will shoot the same load with about the same accuracy. The older and more extensively used the gun, the less true that becomes because the right barrel is typically fired more than the left. Regulation is obviously a different issue.

My Blaser S2 shoots MOA from each barrel of each of the three sets in which I have it chambered and regulated (30-06, 375, and 500 416).

When I have had to have a rifle regulated, I pick the bullet and load combination that is most accurate in the two barrels rather than what best regulates. The regulator takes it from there. If using a scope on a double, I sight in on the right barrel to maximize PBR. In a follow-up it won't matter.
 
So, normally .
I'm not asking about Normally. I'm asking about the ability of a barrel that is part of a double rifle to be treated as if it were a single barrel rifle. Is the barrel accurate enough to develop loads in the fashion of Col Townsend Whelen where several loads from plinking to full power were used. Accuracy was sufficient for each loads intended purpose and difference in sight settings were noted.
 
Large bore modern quality rifles (DG rifles), either single or double barreled, typically have very good accuracy. It is the rare .40+ barrel that is not 1 MOA capable with the right shooter (note that I said shooter, not load ;)).

Additionally, double rifle barrels (in rifles well made) are well supported and have very consistent harmonics. This increases the chances of tight groups.

I am not aware of a specific double barrel rifle brand having a better reputation for individual barrel accuracy, and to be honest I do not even know if double rifle makers make their own barrel blanks. I expect not.

So, I would expect barrels from Krieghoff, Merkel, Blaser, or Heym double rifles (to take a German example) to shoot about the same individually.

For example, my Krieghoff produces consistently "~MOA" groups from each individual barrel.

Note: I say "~MOA" because 1" groups at 50 yards are not 1 MOA but 2 MOA. The group would have to be 1" at 100 yards to be 1 MOA. Since I do not have the capability to scope my double, like Red Leg's S2, and since the .470 is not designed to do what the .500/.416 is designed to to (less stopping power but 200 yards potential), I must confess that shooting the .470 open sighted or with red dot at 100 yards for individual barrel groups is not something I ever had interest in, so I did not do it...

Brain Shot 50 yd Hornady - Iron sights.JPG

Krieghoff .470 NE - factory load Hornady DGS 500 gr - 50 yards - Leica 3.5 MOA red dot. Good barrels accuracy but not the load that regulates best.

Brain Shot 50 yd Norma PH FMJ.JPG

Krieghoff .470 NE - factory load Norma PH Woodleigh FMJ 500 gr - 50 yards - Leica 3.5 MOA red dot. Good barrels accuracy and a load that regulates well.

Brain Shot 50 yd Barnes Banded Solid - Red dot.JPG

Krieghoff .470 NE - factory load Barnes Banded Solid 500 gr - 50 yards - Leica 3.5 MOA red dot. Good barrels accuracy but not the load that regulates best.


For those who wonder, the unusual shape of the above target is designed to emulate the size of an elephant brain in a frontal brain shot... Note that even loads that regulate around 4" at 50 yards would still be usable, although I obviously selected the Norma PH Woodleigh FMJ that regulates at 2" :)

Also, in my rifle at least, it seems that slugs with the classic long parallel sides, no pressure relief groove, and blunt nose, shoot a little tighter than the modern expanding monometal slugs. I do not know if this is a generality or not.

.470 Barnes 500 gr TSX 50 yards - Red dot.jpg

Krieghoff .470 NE - factory load Barnes TSX 500 gr - 50 yards - Leica 3.5 MOA red dot. Not the best barrels accuracy but a load that regulates well.

So, in conclusion, individual barrels from a quality double should have no issue grouping 1" at 50 yards with iron sights or red dot, and I am convinced that most of them also shoot around 1" at 100 yards if the rifle is scoped.

As to the two barrels shooting together, which is not the question here, just for memory a good quality double, will shoot 3 lefts and 3 rights around 2" at 50 or 100 yards (it should neither diverge nor converge), with some loads it likes, and it will shoot most other usual loads under or around 4".


PS: by the way, I expect the title of the thread was meant to be "regulation" as opposed to "registration". No big deal, but just so that a term does not emerge and confuse further the double rifle new comers.
 
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Heym advertises that at 50 meters you would get a 2" group from a left/right barrel combination. Here is a left/right barrel target around 60 yards while sighting in my Trijicon on my .500 NE. It is an inch or so. It really would not make sense to have each barrel be sub MOA but having left/right grouping to be many inches apart.

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OOps- Registration is a carry-over of my days in a firing battery where we registered the guns, which is a method of orienting the elevation and traverse settings to bullet impact. I'll try and get my verbage correct in the future.
 
It seems the quality doubles are capable of decent accuracy with full power loads. Does anyone have results regarding accuracy (not regulation) with bullets of lighter weight and or reduced powder charges?
 
Title had me thinking this would be about form 4457, not barrel regulation!! :A Outta:
Luckily, the post had increased Respiration than originally anticipated.
 
I know of an Austrian O/U 375 that prints a 3/4 inch composite group at 80 meters...not sure if O/U's are inherently better that SxS in regulation.
 
How accurate are the various makes of double rifles barrels? If the right barrel of a double rifle is treated as if it were a single barrel gun- load development done just like it is done with a bolt action rifle. Is there a significant difference in the barrels from different makers regarding the barrels level of accuracy? What sort of grouping could be anticipated?
My Chapuis 9.3x74R will shoot under 3/4" groups routinely with the left and just at an inch with the right at 100yards. The composite group is right at 2" at 100. At 50 yards, the left barrel will shoot cloverleafs. This was once I found the load it likes; 285gr Oryx, or 286gr Partition at 2330fps. Bullet is interchangeable.
 

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