New 1886 Winchester Miroku .45-70

[Professor Mawla]

@sestoppelman
Congratulations on the magnificent new Winchester Model 1886 . What brand of factory loaded ammunition did you acquire for it ? Winchester Super X or Remington Peters ?

 

[sestoppelman]

Thanks Professor. Actually I already had the ammo on hand from previous ventures. Years ago when I dabbled in gunwriting I used to get a fair amount of ammo from various makers for testing purposes and still had some left over. As well I had a box of 400 gr jktd loads made up for a Remington SxS double I had for a time, one of the Russian rifles. I had to seat the bullets a little deeper to chamber in the '86 but otherwise they will be fine.
I have on hand then some Black Hills lead loads, some Rem 300 gr loads and Rem 400 gr loads, all standard velocity, which suits me fine.
Edit. Also have one box of Federal 300 gr left to try.

 

[spike.t]

SES,
You are experienced enough to not let the recoil sissies and inexperienced 1886 shooters dissuade you from having fun with your new rifle. It likely weighs a bit less than my 1886 with 26 inch barrel, but mounted properly, it will be fun to shoot.
One interesting thing that I discovered was that even a 300 grain .458 bullet is big medicine for most thin skinned game from deer up through Nilgai and leopard. For Bison, Cape Buff, and ele, you will need 400 grain and up bullets of appropriate construction. A 450 grain Kodiak FMJ at 2150 fps does recoil a bit, but it is very effective on big bad critters.
Good hunting.

Hey @TOBY458 nice to know we are recoil sissies .... .I had better move on from my 500 Jeffrey to ........nope dont think need to ..that's adequate..

 

[spike.t]

Ses have you tried that hornady leverevolution (is that spelt correctly...?)....

 

[sestoppelman]

I tried some in a .348 once, but not this, haven't shot it yet.

 

[spike.t]

I tried some in a .348 once, but not this, haven't shot it yet.

Be interesting to know if you do....might try and get my 45-70 out here and gunshop I use brings in hornady among other stuff ..so might be able to persuade him

 

[TOBY458]

Hey @TOBY458 nice to know we are recoil sissies .... .I had better move on from my 500 Jeffrey to ........nope dont think need to ..that's adequate..

Who knew? Right???!!! I think you should put a steel but plate with some nice sharp horns on your Jeffery and run a few full loads through her! That might let you regain your recoil worthiness.....

 

[CoElkHunter]

Winchester Miroku. Sounds like a Japanese Western? Nice looking rifle though.

 

[sestoppelman]

Some call them Japchesters. Miroku does very nice work for Winchester.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Some call them Japchesters. Miroku does very nice work for Winchester.

Yep! When Weatherby started producing their rifles at the Howa factory, the machining quality of their rifles went up dramatically. Same with my Browning made in Japan. Japan manufacturing quality used to be a joke, but not in many, many decades now. I found an old Telestar 3x9 (made in Japan) rifle scope in my basement that came on an old Remington 788 I bought years ago. I was amazed at the clarity when looking through the scope.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Yep! When Weatherby started producing their rifles at the Howa factory, the machining quality of their rifles went up dramatically. Same with my Browning made in Japan. Japan manufacturing quality used to be a joke, but not in many, many decades now. I found an old Telestar 3x9 (made in Japan) rifle scope in my basement that came on an old Remington 788 I bought years ago. I was amazed at the clarity when looking through the scope.

CoElkHunter
What caliber was/is your 788
Bob

 

[bruce moulds]

if there is anything etched in my mind in the form of a weeping festering wound that will not heal, it is an early marlin 45/70 firing 400 gn bullets at around 2000 fps.
those rifles had similar buttplates to the one pictured her.
firing it was more than unpleasant, it just plain hurt, and left serious bruising.
firing it was postponed until the crescent buttplate was sawn off, and a decent recoil pad fitted.
even then, while it did not hurt you shoulder, recoil was sudden and violent.
a 450 nitro rigby also owned at the time used to rise up something amazing, but was not the chore to fire that the 45/70 was.
those buttplates worked ok up to 44/40 and 38/55, but after that something more suitable is required.
bruce.

 

[Forrest Halley]

I think it must be something to do with the size of your pectoral muscle and the radius of the crescent shaped butt plate. I am not overly developed and I have no trouble with playing jingle bells with a box of ammunition at on sitting. I absolutely love the ringing sound that .45-70 brass makes. It's a simple joy in life. I did not die and I was not bruised. Japchester all day long.

PSA FOR HORNADY LEVER REVOLUTION:
The brass will be notably shorter when you go to reload it. They did this so they could crimp in the cannelure and maintain magazine fed length. I advise segregating it from all other brass as you shoot it to save yourself the confusion when you go to reload it. You may go as far as buying another seating die and crimping die.

 

[degoins]

Good looking rifle, makes me want another one. I had a full size rifle version with the crescent butt plate, no problems at all with BP or express equivalent handloads. I killed several whitetails with it.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I think it must be something to do with the size of your pectoral muscle and the radius of the crescent shaped butt plate. I am not overly developed and I have no trouble with playing jingle bells with a box of ammunition at on sitting. I absolutely love the ringing sound that .45-70 brass makes. It's a simple joy in life. I did not die and I was not bruised. Japchester all day long.

PSA FOR HORNADY LEVER REVOLUTION:
The brass will be notably shorter when you go to reload it. They did this so they could crimp in the cannelure and maintain magazine fed length. I advise segregating it from all other brass as you shoot it to save yourself the confusion when you go to reload it. You may go as far as buying another seating die and crimping die.

@Forrest Halley
I hate that mongrel bastard curved steel but plate. I would prefer to fire a box of my Whelen loads than my 32/20 loaded with 100grain XTPs and 13grain of 2400. That little bitch just don't fit in my 6 and a half foot 250 pound body at all. The bottom of that curve hurts like a bitch after 6 shots. It's like someone is trying to drive a 6 inch nails into the shoulder with small hammers.
Bob

 

[spike.t]

@Forrest Halley
I hate that mongrel bastard curved steel but plate. I would prefer to fire a box of my Whelen loads than my 32/20 loaded with 100grain XTPs and 13grain of 2400. That little bitch just don't fit in my 6 and a half foot 250 pound body at all. The bottom of that curve hurts like a bitch after 6 shots. It's like someone is trying to drive a 6 inch nails into the shoulder with small hammers.
Bob

So you really love it...

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

So you really love it...

@spike.t
With normal 100grain lead loads at 1,200 fps it's the same as a 22 but with the hunting loads it's a bitch. If'n I wasn't so bloody big it would be fine If'n it fitted me.

 

[Forrest Halley]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen You're Australian, so we all think you like the pain.
I'm trying not to laugh. This is getting ridiculous. Now the opponents of the lever gun are protesting .32/20 loads. Say it ain't so!
Those big guns must blast you all back just enough that your man cards slide back into your pockets...however the recoil impulse is slightly different on the crescent plate stocks that it just snakes right into the pocket and whisks away that man card. Before you know it you'll be rubbing your shoulder talking about how that .25-35 really kicks!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen You're Australian, so we all think you like the pain.
I'm trying not to laugh. This is getting ridiculous. Now the opponents of the lever gun are protesting .32/20 loads. Say it ain't so!
Those big guns must blast you all back just enough that your man cards slide back into your pockets...however the recoil impulse is slightly different on the crescent plate stocks that it just snakes right into the pocket and whisks away that man card. Before you know it you'll be rubbing your shoulder talking about how that .25-35 really kicks!

@Forrest Halley
Mate I can shoot a 12 gauge all day no problems but I did have a little Boito 410 that would kick the shit out of my cheek to the point it was just plain painfully. I cured that little bitch by taking a wood rasp to the stock. Ended up fitting well and was my go to shotgun for rabbits up to 25 yards in the scrub.
Bib

 

[spike.t]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen You're Australian, so we all think you like the pain.
I'm trying not to laugh. This is getting ridiculous. Now the opponents of the lever gun are protesting .32/20 loads. Say it ain't so!
Those big guns must blast you all back just enough that your man cards slide back into your pockets...however the recoil impulse is slightly different on the crescent plate stocks that it just snakes right into the pocket and whisks away that man card. Before you know it you'll be rubbing your shoulder talking about how that .25-35 really kicks!

Mmmm....didn't think Australians felt much let alone pain....