New Player in the Dangerous Game Rifle Market

[CTDolan]

In front of, no, but alongside, yes (and with a brake, alongside is just as bad, when it comes to the report).

Matt, I'd agree, .500 and up is its own territory. Best to have a rifle of proper weight, with a properly designed stock that fits, and forget all about a brake. In other words, a tailor-made firearm, made to the individual like a fine suit.

 

[CTDolan]

With regard to the brake, no brake situation, though, point of impact won't be an issue as we're talking minute-of-buffalo.

 

[bluey]

In front of, no, but alongside, yes (and with a brake, alongside is just as bad, when it comes to the report).

that's where communication and considersation , come into play
of the 4 guided hunts ive been on, 2 were with riffles with muzzlebrakes , and I can gladly give anyone contact details , to back what I preach .

 

[ActionBob]

good point matt, that's why l always leave the brake on .......

Hey Bluey how do you ever get anywhere with the brakes on?

 

[bluey]

really loudly ,bob.....

 

[IdaRam]

Just from the pics I can't say that I'm terribly impressed.
Something about the stock is not right. I think the buttstock/comb may be too straight and flat. Not to mention the lines are just not that sexy. I have a hunch the felt recoil may be somewhat harsh due to stock geometry.
Although I do have some rifles with muzzle brakes, I'm not a fan of them. On competition rifles or heavier kickers that get shot prone regularly I will use a brake. 7mm STW and .338 Lapua for example. Otherwise, no thank you.
This is my least favorite brake design. Lots of noise and concussion with very little recoil reduction. Holes all the way around suck! especially for prone shooting. Unless you like eyes full of grit at the first shot. Manufacturers like to use them 'cuz you don't have to "clock" them. Spin 'em on and your done.
I also hate the floor plate latch. Way too prominent and inside the trigger guard. Unless it is very stiff I would be worried about dumping ammo on my toes. Obviously that would happen at exactly the wrong moment.
I do kinda like the bolt though.

 

[gizmo]

Well I have to agree the stock is ugly but ingenious at the same time. I see it as a practical rifle. One you can use and abuse without worrying about dings in the stock and so on. While I would love to have a fine rifle like a Rigby or something one day, I don't see me ever hunting with it as I would be terrified something would happen to it. With this, not so much. I'll take function over form most any day. Exception being what I would consider an investment rifle such as a Rigby or H&H. And. Have to agree, Matt converted me to the dark side. No break. About the only time I would put it back on would be if I needed to shoot it off a bench for some reason. Other than that I've started to really enjoy shooting my 416 w/out the break. I definitly can tell when I don't have the gun mounted properly as it will smart a bit. Pain is a wonderful teacher.

 

[matt85]

its not in front of the shooter thats the problem with muzzle brakes. the worst place to be when someone is shooting a gun with a brake is right next to them.

-matt

 

[matt85]

With regard to the brake, no brake situation, though, point of impact won't be an issue as we're talking minute-of-buffalo.

actually the point of impact changes greatly with the heavy recoiling guns. the difference between braked and unbraked with something like a 505 Gibbs could be as much as 3-4 inches because the recoil is so much that it actually pulls the rifle up before the bullet leaves the barrel. get rid of the recoil/muzzle rise and the point of impact changes a great deal.

-matt

 

[spike.t]

not sure what the problem is that people seem to have with the stock........its synthetic but the lines arent much different to other wooden ones. doesnt seem that different to a cz aramid stock, maybe its even a bit trimmer.......

get rid of the holes on the end and as long as it is reliable seems like a good working type rifle

 

[IdaRam]

not sure what the problem is that people seem to have with the stock........

Ya just never know with some folks, right Mike?
I guess for me the pistol grip visually seems long and skinny and I prefer the blunted off look of the pistol grip cap on the CZ to the more pointy look. The buttstock has more of a boat paddle look due to the lack of drop at comb and heel. Just my perception based solely on a couple pics.
It may be a very fine rifle. Obviously the only way to fairly and properly judge is by putting some rounds down range, which I would gladly do

 

[CTDolan]

If the pics can be trusted (not skewed), the stock is definitely lacking in drop.

 

[CTDolan]

The work does look crisp, but for that damn fluted bolt and ported barrel! Were it mine I'd cut and re-crown. Can't do much about the bolt, though...

 

[tarbe]

I just can't get used to having a stock with a finish that looks like a woman's bowling ball.

Shallow of me, I know! I imagine there are other options.

 

[TokkieM]

Obviously been some thought put into the stock,no drop will bring it recoilling straight back the extra length in the pistol grip will be a bonus for boys with big hands and prevent some slip under recoil. Have to agree the break is over the top,but looks like a working rifle that you won't mind getting knocked about a bit. If it feeds without issue and does so no matter what you feed it, it's a keeper.

 

[spike.t]

i like hardly any drop on my stocks

so it would be interesting to have a play with one

 

[CTDolan]

I just can't get used to having a stock with a finish that looks like a woman's bowling ball.

Shallow of me, I know! I imagine there are other options.

There are:

 

[JWB300]

I think some are missing the fact that the rifle comes with a threaded cap to replace the break. So it is entirely up to the individual

I'll let you know how they go in a few weeks when I get the Profession in 300WM that I just ordered. Should make a fine mountain rifle.

 

[Code4]

I don't mind it. Contemporary ideas/designs and materials don't turn me off.
The manual controlled ejector is a plus. I don't know about the extractor.
Muzzle brake on or off is simply a choice.

I hope the bolt flutes have a cleaning action. If the actions is too tight with close tolerances, it will bind in the bush.

I see some of these DG/Africa actions made to bench rest tolerances and know the makers have never been off the range.

 

[IdaRam]

Looking forward to the range report @JWB300 What are you planning to top her off with for a scope?