New US Gun Travel Rules

[wesheltonj]

I just received my copy of Safari Times. It appears that now, you are restricted from taking more then 3 firearms out of the USA and have blocked firearm travel to 40 countries. Blocked: Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of Congo, Russia, Sudan, South Sudan, Zimbabwe (however exemption for Zimbabwe) CARICOM countries.

Proposed time limit that the firearm can be out of the country from 45 days to 180 days.

And once again the Automated Export System - AES.

 

[Hogpatrol]

Along those lines, my Northern Cape PH/Outfitter told me no more guns through Bloemfontein, RSA.

 

[deewayne2003]

I just received my copy of Safari Times. It appears that now, you are restricted from taking more then 3 firearms out of the USA and have blocked firearm travel to 40 countries. Blocked: Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of Congo, Russia, Sudan, South Sudan, Zimbabwe (however exemption for Zimbabwe) CARI-COM countries.

Proposed time limit that the firearm can be out of the country from 45 days to 180 days.

And once again the Automated Export System - AES.

I had heard rumblings of this earlier in the year, can you provide a link to the actual regulations?

 

[wesheltonj]

Unfortunately, the September issue is not online yet. But the Federal Register is:

Federal Register :: Request Access

13. Section 740.14 is amended by revising paragraph (e) to read as follows:

§ 740.14
Baggage (BAG).
* * * * *
(e) Special provisions for firearms and ammunition. (1) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport shotguns with a barrel length of 18 inches or over controlled under ECCN 0A502 and 0A508 and shotgun shells controlled under ECCN 0A505.b and .c under this License Exception, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508, as well as firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507).

(ii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be with the person's baggage.

(iii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be for the person's exclusive use for legitimate hunting or lawful sporting purposes, scientific purposes, or personal protection, and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in (e)(2) of this section, shotguns may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All shotguns and unused shotgun shells must be returned to the United States. Note that since certain countries may require an Import Certificate or a U.S. export license before allowing the import of a shotgun, you should determine the import requirements of your country of destination in advance.

(2) A nonresident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such shotguns and shotgun shells as he or she brought into the United States under the provisions of the Department of Justice Regulations (27 CFR 478.115(d)).

(3) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export under this License Exception firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507, as well as shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508), and no more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition may be taken on any one trip.

(ii) “Parts,” “components,” “accessories,” and “attachments” exported pursuant to this paragraph (e)(3) must be of a kind and limited to quantities that are reasonable for the activities described in paragraph (e)(3)(iv) of this section or that are necessary for routine maintenance of the firearms being exported.

(iii) The commodities must be with the person's baggage.

(iv) The commodities must be for the person's exclusive use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in paragraph (e)(4) of this section, firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition, may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and all unused ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a exported under this License Exception must be returned to the United States.

(v) Travelers leaving the United States temporarily are required to declare the firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition being exported under this License Exception to a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer prior to departure from the United States and present such items to the CBP officer for inspection, confirming that the authority for the export is License Exception BAG and that the exporter is compliant with its terms.

(4) A nonimmigrant alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such firearms controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505 as he or she brought into the United States under the relevant provisions of Department of Justice regulations at 27 CFR part 478.



(5) Destination eligibility under this License Exception for items controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A502, 0A504, 0A505, 0A506, 0A507, 0A508, or 0A509 is limited to countries other than those in Country Group D:5 (except for Zimbabwe) and “CARICOM” countries.

 

[RR 314]

As an old professor used to say, “The power to regulate and tax is the power to destroy.” What seemed like a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory years ago, seems to be in its infancy.

While unlikely, it is not without possibility that African nations could tax “Rental rifles“ at such a punitive level we would have to bring our own guns. Our government, in kind, could make it cost prohibitive to export guns on a short term basis. Not where we are now, but there is more than one way to kill hunting in Africa.

 

[Dewald]

Unfortunately, the September issue is not online yet. But the Federal Register is:

Federal Register :: Request Access

13. Section 740.14 is amended by revising paragraph (e) to read as follows:

§ 740.14
Baggage (BAG).
* * * * *
(e) Special provisions for firearms and ammunition. (1) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport shotguns with a barrel length of 18 inches or over controlled under ECCN 0A502 and 0A508 and shotgun shells controlled under ECCN 0A505.b and .c under this License Exception, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508, as well as firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507).

(ii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be with the person's baggage.

(iii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be for the person's exclusive use for legitimate hunting or lawful sporting purposes, scientific purposes, or personal protection, and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in (e)(2) of this section, shotguns may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All shotguns and unused shotgun shells must be returned to the United States. Note that since certain countries may require an Import Certificate or a U.S. export license before allowing the import of a shotgun, you should determine the import requirements of your country of destination in advance.

(2) A nonresident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such shotguns and shotgun shells as he or she brought into the United States under the provisions of the Department of Justice Regulations (27 CFR 478.115(d)).

(3) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export under this License Exception firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507, as well as shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508), and no more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition may be taken on any one trip.

(ii) “Parts,” “components,” “accessories,” and “attachments” exported pursuant to this paragraph (e)(3) must be of a kind and limited to quantities that are reasonable for the activities described in paragraph (e)(3)(iv) of this section or that are necessary for routine maintenance of the firearms being exported.

(iii) The commodities must be with the person's baggage.

(iv) The commodities must be for the person's exclusive use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in paragraph (e)(4) of this section, firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition, may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and all unused ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a exported under this License Exception must be returned to the United States.

(v) Travelers leaving the United States temporarily are required to declare the firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition being exported under this License Exception to a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer prior to departure from the United States and present such items to the CBP officer for inspection, confirming that the authority for the export is License Exception BAG and that the exporter is compliant with its terms.

(4) A nonimmigrant alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such firearms controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505 as he or she brought into the United States under the relevant provisions of Department of Justice regulations at 27 CFR part 478.



(5) Destination eligibility under this License Exception for items controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A502, 0A504, 0A505, 0A506, 0A507, 0A508, or 0A509 is limited to countries other than those in Country Group D:5 (except for Zimbabwe) and “CARICOM” countries.

So will there be no change for a USA citizen to bring his firearm to Zimbabwe to hunt?

 

[wesheltonj]

So will there be no change for a USA citizen to bring his firearm to Zimbabwe to hunt?

Allegedly no, for now at least.

 

[BourbonTrail]

This seems “arbitrary and capricious” to quote the recent ruling against the ATF.

Also, regulation states “he or she”… so wait, there are only 2 genders Or are the other 65 genders excluded from this regulation?

 

[steve white]

Unfortunately, the September issue is not online yet. But the Federal Register is:

Federal Register :: Request Access

13. Section 740.14 is amended by revising paragraph (e) to read as follows:

§ 740.14
Baggage (BAG).
* * * * *
(e) Special provisions for firearms and ammunition. (1) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport shotguns with a barrel length of 18 inches or over controlled under ECCN 0A502 and 0A508 and shotgun shells controlled under ECCN 0A505.b and .c under this License Exception, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508, as well as firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507).

(ii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be with the person's baggage.

(iii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be for the person's exclusive use for legitimate hunting or lawful sporting purposes, scientific purposes, or personal protection, and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in (e)(2) of this section, shotguns may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All shotguns and unused shotgun shells must be returned to the United States. Note that since certain countries may require an Import Certificate or a U.S. export license before allowing the import of a shotgun, you should determine the import requirements of your country of destination in advance.

(2) A nonresident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such shotguns and shotgun shells as he or she brought into the United States under the provisions of the Department of Justice Regulations (27 CFR 478.115(d)).

(3) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export under this License Exception firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507, as well as shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508), and no more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition may be taken on any one trip.

(ii) “Parts,” “components,” “accessories,” and “attachments” exported pursuant to this paragraph (e)(3) must be of a kind and limited to quantities that are reasonable for the activities described in paragraph (e)(3)(iv) of this section or that are necessary for routine maintenance of the firearms being exported.

(iii) The commodities must be with the person's baggage.

(iv) The commodities must be for the person's exclusive use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in paragraph (e)(4) of this section, firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition, may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and all unused ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a exported under this License Exception must be returned to the United States.

(v) Travelers leaving the United States temporarily are required to declare the firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition being exported under this License Exception to a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer prior to departure from the United States and present such items to the CBP officer for inspection, confirming that the authority for the export is License Exception BAG and that the exporter is compliant with its terms.

(4) A nonimmigrant alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such firearms controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505 as he or she brought into the United States under the relevant provisions of Department of Justice regulations at 27 CFR part 478.



(5) Destination eligibility under this License Exception for items controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A502, 0A504, 0A505, 0A506, 0A507, 0A508, or 0A509 is limited to countries other than those in Country Group D:5 (except for Zimbabwe) and “CARICOM” countries.

Would extra barrels for an R8 be "accessories and attachments?"

 

[autofire]

Along those lines, my Northern Cape PH/Outfitter told me no more guns through Bloemfontein, RSA.

Had problem with Bloemfontein in 2023. Problem is airport so small, rifle transit so few that RSA unable to find a part time contractor to hand rifle transit paperwork. Kimberly was our alternate airport vs original destination of bloomfontein.

 

[BigGame]

Is New Jersey on the list?

 

[cwpayton]

Along those lines, my Northern Cape PH/Outfitter told me no more guns through Bloemfontein, RSA.

WHAT !!!

 

[Hogpatrol]

WHAT !!!

Yep, I'm hunting the Northern Cape next year and going through Kimberley.

 

[Surgeon1]

Any updates on this?

 

[Philip Glass]

I just received my copy of Safari Times. It appears that now, you are restricted from taking more then 3 firearms out of the USA and have blocked firearm travel to 40 countries. Blocked: Central African Republic, Democratic Republic of Congo, Russia, Sudan, South Sudan, Zimbabwe (however exemption for Zimbabwe) CARICOM countries.

Proposed time limit that the firearm can be out of the country from 45 days to 180 days.

And once again the Automated Export System - AES.

Ah the phantom AES is back in the news. It does not exist.

 

[BRICKBURN]

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/aes/introduction

 

[analog_peninsula]

Seems like a DOGE opportunity to me.

 

[Zim Fan]

Isn’t AES for Export? So traveling with guns that you return with does not apply??

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Unfortunately, the September issue is not online yet. But the Federal Register is:

Federal Register :: Request Access

13. Section 740.14 is amended by revising paragraph (e) to read as follows:

§ 740.14
Baggage (BAG).
* * * * *
(e) Special provisions for firearms and ammunition. (1) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport shotguns with a barrel length of 18 inches or over controlled under ECCN 0A502 and 0A508 and shotgun shells controlled under ECCN 0A505.b and .c under this License Exception, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508, as well as firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507).

(ii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be with the person's baggage.

(iii) The shotguns and shotgun shells must be for the person's exclusive use for legitimate hunting or lawful sporting purposes, scientific purposes, or personal protection, and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in (e)(2) of this section, shotguns may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All shotguns and unused shotgun shells must be returned to the United States. Note that since certain countries may require an Import Certificate or a U.S. export license before allowing the import of a shotgun, you should determine the import requirements of your country of destination in advance.

(2) A nonresident alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such shotguns and shotgun shells as he or she brought into the United States under the provisions of the Department of Justice Regulations (27 CFR 478.115(d)).

(3) A United States citizen or a permanent resident alien leaving the United States may export under this License Exception firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a, subject to the following limitations:

(i) Not more than three firearms may be taken on any one trip (this includes firearms in ECCNs 0A501, 0A506, or 0A507, as well as shotguns in ECCNs 0A502 or 0A508), and no more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition may be taken on any one trip.

(ii) “Parts,” “components,” “accessories,” and “attachments” exported pursuant to this paragraph (e)(3) must be of a kind and limited to quantities that are reasonable for the activities described in paragraph (e)(3)(iv) of this section or that are necessary for routine maintenance of the firearms being exported.

(iii) The commodities must be with the person's baggage.

(iv) The commodities must be for the person's exclusive use and not for resale or other transfer of ownership or control. Accordingly, except as provided in paragraph (e)(4) of this section, firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition, may not be exported permanently under this License Exception. All firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” or “attachments” controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and 0A509 and all unused ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505.a exported under this License Exception must be returned to the United States.

(v) Travelers leaving the United States temporarily are required to declare the firearms, “parts,” “components,” “accessories,” “attachments,” and ammunition being exported under this License Exception to a Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officer prior to departure from the United States and present such items to the CBP officer for inspection, confirming that the authority for the export is License Exception BAG and that the exporter is compliant with its terms.

(4) A nonimmigrant alien leaving the United States may export or reexport under this License Exception only such firearms controlled under ECCN 0A501, 0A506, 0A507, and ammunition controlled under ECCN 0A505 as he or she brought into the United States under the relevant provisions of Department of Justice regulations at 27 CFR part 478.



(5) Destination eligibility under this License Exception for items controlled under ECCNs 0A501, 0A502, 0A504, 0A505, 0A506, 0A507, 0A508, or 0A509 is limited to countries other than those in Country Group D:5 (except for Zimbabwe) and “CARICOM” countries.

@wesheltonj
Plum tuckered me out just reading it let alone trying to understand it.
What a load of mumbo jumbo crockshit and the average person is expected to make sense of it.
Simple version
You can only take 3 guns including a shotgun and a certain amount of ammo with you.
So you can't leave any ammo with your PH, you must bring it home.
How do they prove you didn't fire all your ammo ( eg lousy shot excuse) and left a couple of boxes of 12 bore there.
What's the word coming to.
That's right we are not allowed to have common sense now. WHS & the Govt will tell us what to do because we have evolved into a bunch of dumb arses according to them.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

This seems “arbitrary and capricious” to quote the recent ruling against the ATF.

Also, regulation states “he or she”… so wait, there are only 2 genders Or are the other 65 genders excluded from this regulation?

@BourbonTrail
Last time I filled out a bullshit govt form under sex it has M/F. Being the smart arse I am I just wrote yes please. They didn't see the funny side of it
Bob