Question for SCI - Anyone know the leadership and how to evoke a reply?

rookhawk

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I've been a SCI member for awhile, attend many chapter functions and am also a SCI measurer. Post Walter Palmer / Cecil I've had some discomfort with SCI and was hoping to alleviate that discomfort. Does anyone know how to get a public position from the SCI board and legal council to these questions?

1.) If an SCI member is accused of a wildlife violation in the future, will SCI suspend or engage in any disciplinary measures prior to a court ruling in a governing jurisdiction determines one's guilt or innocence properly?

2.) If asked for press comment after any allegation of wildlife violations by an SCI member, will it be the position of the communications team at SCI to hold to this policy: "We believe in the rule of law and our utmost respect for wildlife conservation. We will reserve judgment and further statement until all facts are properly adjudicated in a court of law."

3.) Has SCI written a formal and public apology to Mr. Palmer and Mr. Bronkhorst for their suspensions from SCI that were done in haste?

4.) Has SCI reinstated Mr. Palmer's membership?

5.) Was SCI's approach to the suspension of Mr. Palmer different due to him having a prior wildlife plea for a black bear? (meaning, if any other SCI member had NO convictions or previous plea, would they also be suspended for a similar accusation as Mr. Palmer's harvest of Cecil?)

I can think of only one thing worse than the national media convicting a honest man in the court of public opinion for unethical hunting, that would be when the hunting fraternity turns on the same man bolstering the public outrage. SCI provided additional fuel to public fire and I fear if this is their approach, any honest hunter could become the next victim.

I ask all these questions in all seriousness because I'm concerned that suspensions compound the appearance of guilt when a member gets "thrown under the bus". If the way Mr. Palmer was handled by SCI is consistent with present policy I would prefer to donate to SCI (for the good work they do) and NOT maintain membership (so membership cannot be revoked by mere accusation without conviction).

Thoughts?
 
Good questions for which I have no answers. But look forward to what you find out.
 
@rookhawk , interesting posts.................:A Outta::A Popcorn:
 
You could ask the president of your local SCI Chapter if you have one. They would be able to get you the info. The Chapter system is a good part of SCI.
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Philip
 
I agree with you. Sometimes "not willing to give an inch" as the NRA has oft been characterized by the "antis" gets big press from the liberal media. Organizations like SCI prefer to avoid the "Limelight" but in doing so they ducked the opportunity to support a hunter that in fact was innocent of all charges related to Cecil. In all fairness Mr. Palmer's prior ethical issues involving the black bear are another matter that should have been considered and dealt with separately.

For the record I need to state that I'm not and SCI Member, just an Ethical Hunter.

Rookhawk, I have to say that the breadth and depth of your knowledge and interests intrigues me. I'm a Retired Engineer. Out of curiosity what is your "day job?"
 
Rookhawk, I have to say that the breadth and depth of your knowledge and interests intrigues me. I'm a Retired Engineer. Out of curiosity what is your "day job?"

I've had more than a few day jobs and its sort of a loaded question. Consultant and corporate advisor are on some of my cards. Risk officer. Technologist. Strategist. Lots of different shingles have come up over the past 20+ years. My background was I wanted to be a biologist (ornithology) but with a 1.4GPA I dropped out of high school and started tech consulting on my own at 17. I then became a university adjunct (teaching grad students) in the evenings while working for financial services for about ten years. Then insurance. Then healthcare. Now I'm a consultant again. I still want to be an ornithologist and get a law degree but those ships have long since sailed.
 
I emailed my question to the local Chicago/Illinois chapters to be forwarded to HQ. I will let you all know if I get a response from SCI.
 
I've had more than a few day jobs and its sort of a loaded question. Consultant and corporate advisor are on some of my cards. Risk officer. Technologist. Strategist. Lots of different shingles have come up over the past 20+ years. My background was I wanted to be a biologist (ornithology) but with a 1.4GPA I dropped out of high school and started tech consulting on my own at 17. I then became a university adjunct (teaching grad students) in the evenings while working for financial services for about ten years. Then insurance. Then healthcare. Now I'm a consultant again. I still want to be an ornithologist and get a law degree but those ships have long since sailed.
Interesting, I thought you might be a Lawyer.
 
Interesting, I thought you might be a Lawyer.

I'll try not to take that too personally. :) I just appreciate the fact that those who can understand terms and conditions generally have an upper hand over those that do not. I've seen a lot of honest people exploited in my lifetime so my interest in the law is for purposes of evening the playing field. It's why I also was interested in the topic of this post because it goes hand in hand with what we call "game theory". How can I trust SCI won't do to me what they did to a dentist without evidence? I hope there was a lesson learned for SCI in the brash and hasty approach so I'd like to hear from SCI that they won't do what they did ever again.

Flushing Palmer down the toilet didn't ingratiate SCI with the public. Those that invoked SCI in the Cecil debacle had nothing nice to say about them whatsoever. Thus, SCI pandered to people that HATE the SCI by kicking Palmer out on a rumor he did something wrong. They would have made more friends by saying they side with the rule of law at all times and that they don't react to accusations, they react to convictions.
 
I get your point about Lawyers, and most peoples' perception of them. I have a very intellectual friend that had troubles in school as well. He is a Distinguished Pistol Shooter, makes his own bows and arrows, owns a 450 400 Merkel, numerous other rifles and shotguns and has his office full of African trophies all taken with bows that he made. He wears his hair in a "pony tail" and is usually dressed in Duluth pants and a goofy "T" shirt unless he is in court. Yea, he is different, not only that he is a damn good lawyer.

Hopefully your correspondence with them, coupled with posts like this will demonstrate the error of their ways, thereby preventing similar actions in the future. If nobody tells them that their actions were wrong and contrary to the goals of SCI why would they act differently "next" time?

I'd like to see more AH members "chime in" on this. Keep us posted.
 
@rookhawk Let me know how I can support you. I'm an SCI Life Member and was disturbed by the handling of the situation. I also continue to correct people who mistakenly still believe Palmer did something illegal.
 
I agree with you. Sometimes "not willing to give an inch" as the NRA has oft been characterized by the "antis" gets big press from the liberal media. Organizations like SCI prefer to avoid the "Limelight" but in doing so they ducked the opportunity to support a hunter that in fact was innocent of all charges related to Cecil. In all fairness Mr. Palmer's prior ethical issues involving the black bear are another matter that should have been considered and dealt with separately.

For the record I need to state that I'm not and SCI Member, just an Ethical Hunter.

Rookhawk, I have to say that the breadth and depth of your knowledge and interests intrigues me. I'm a Retired Engineer. Out of curiosity what is your "day job?"
I also have wondered the same thing more than once! Now I know......but am still not sure!!!
 
Years back when I first started outfitting in Mozambique, we were only a handful outfitters, I tried to get a booth at SCI, no luck, it seemed they were more interested in collecting money than helping the development of new hunting areas/conservation. Always left a sour taste in my mouth.
 
Years back when I first started outfitting in Mozambique, we were only a handful outfitters, I tried to get a booth at SCI, no luck, it seemed they were more interested in collecting money than helping the development of new hunting areas/conservation. Always left a sour taste in my mouth.
I completely agree Simon. I m no longer a member as I feel they are just interested in making money more so than protecting hunters. Dr. Palmer is a perfect example of not at least trying to defend him until all the facts were in. They simply put him out.
 
Great questions @rookhawk. I look forward to any responses you get from SCI leadership- they really should have a presence on this forum and others like it in my opinion.

I totally agree with you- I was very surprised by how quickly SCI jumped on the condemnation bandwagon. Hunter advocacy groups should aggressively and transparently support the search for the truth and work to protect members and hunters in general from the wild and dangerous condemnation of anti-hunting groups.

If being in the Army has taught me one thing, its that the first report is almost always wrong. A group with the advocacy and leadership clout of an SCI should be withholding judgment until all the facts are clear. If the facts show that something illegal occurred, then I'm all about going after the criminals.

The cecil case is a great example of how the "viral" nature of news today rushes forward with unsubstantiated and factually incorrect reporting just to chase more viewers or more "likes." Groups like SCI need to be the voice of moderation and calm in such situations- they shouldn't encourage the anti's by appearing to support their unsubstantiated claims.

If I was Walter Palmer, I doubt I'd still be a member of SCI and I would probably be demanding my membership dues back while considering a lawsuit for defamation against SCI.
 
Consider joining DSC. You may find them to be more reactive to member concerns and inquiries.

You make a good point! I joined SCI to attend a convention last year- really just to meet my outfitter there. I'm no longer a member.

I hear lots of great things about DSC and admission to their convention is free to active military- something I always appreciate.
 
The Palmer case is exactly why my money goes to DSC...

Im local to Dallas, able to stay personally involved in a lot of DSC activities through the year, etc.. which is nice.. and is an additional motivator for me to primarily support DSC over SCI...

But, were it not for the Palmer case, I'd at a minimum belong to both groups, and likely send a little additional money SCI's direction each year..

After Palmer, I decided I'd put all of my proverbial eggs in one basket, and dedicate time and money to DSC only..
 

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