SA tourists are happy to pay a tax to end trophy hunting

[spike.t]

Tourists keen to pay for trophy hunting ban in SA - SA People

A 'lion protection fee', paid by incoming tourists, could be a game changer for SA's iconic wildlife...

www.sapeople.com

 

[SFRanger7GP]

Charge them real money and let's see how happy they are to pay a fee. I have found all of the animal lovers emotions stop when it comes to dipping in their pockets. I keep several animal charity info on my phone. When someone wants to start their emotional animal loving/hunter hating rants, I challenge them to make a small $100 dollar donation with me at that moment (or shut up). They all have shut up and changed the subject.

Safe hunting

 

[Sue Tidwell]

Tourists keen to pay for trophy hunting ban in SA - SA People

A 'lion protection fee', paid by incoming tourists, could be a game changer for SA's iconic wildlife...

www.sapeople.com

Oh this makes me furious. Like ANY of that money would get to where it is needed. Ranchers and villagers would have no incentive to protect habitat and wild species. Ans what happens when animals exceed the carrying capacity of the land? Look at Kruger and other places that are being devastated by overpopulations of elephants. This is so frustrating to me. No matter how hard we fight, they just keep coming

 

[PeteG]

Tourists keen to pay for trophy hunting ban in SA - SA People

A 'lion protection fee', paid by incoming tourists, could be a game changer for SA's iconic wildlife...

www.sapeople.com

Hmm. 1,000 people we sampled.
Sounds legit
And they are supposed to make up a good demographic vs the actual number of tourists per year.

$176,1m divided by $33pp (air travellers) equates to 5,3m visitors. 14,600 visitors per day? Tourist visitors by the way.
I’m going out on a limb and saying that’s a bit of bullshit.

Perhaps each hunting tourist should opt in to pay a little something to stop all the overcrowded zoo like reserves that have little to no respect for “wild” animals?

 

[SpecialEDy]

Imagine trying to explain this to your ancestors, who weren't at the top of the food chain, who had to fight off dangerous animals with rocks, clubs, sticks, and bare hands, who had to worry if they'd become some predator's next meal, who had to run down every meal of their own on foot to not starve.

Imagine explaining to them that future humans would be arguing over whether or not it was ethical to hunt. That people would lose sleep over us finally vanquishing the monsters that hunted us and our livestock down for eons.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Have the “lion protection fee” be the same amount as a trophy fee and see how long they are willing to pay it.

 

[Hunt anything]

They should ask if they are willing to put untold numbers of people out of work in the form of skinners, trackers, camp staff and the like. While at the same time decimating the wildlife population they think they are saving due to increased poaching.
Then they go to a safari lodge and dine on kudu or springbok and talk about how much they have done for wildlife and the habitat. And the next day go and ride in a zebra striped Jeep snacking on game biltong.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Those cannon ball sized testicles of these anti hunting tourists will become microscopic (if even that) the very second it’s time for them to actually pay up… let alone the amount equivalent to a hunting fee. Trust me, I’ve seen it all before. And all too often.

Everybody can talk a big game about wildlife conservation as long as they’re hiding behind the safety of a computer screen or sitting in an air conditioned city office. Let’s see how many can actually put their money where their mouth is.

If they really care for wildlife as much as they claim, then let them pick up a gun and partake in anti poaching patrol (as I dedicated 28 years of my life to doing during my service for the Department of Forests). And if they can’t do that, then let them pay money to the right people who will.

Until then, their words aren’t worth a bag of nails.

Tourists leave a far larger carbon footprint on an ecosystem than hunters ever do. And I doubt a tourist will want to pay money more than once for photographing fauna. Hunters on the other hand (on account of our passion) will keep being motivated to pay money again & again so that we can keep hunting in these wild places and so that the fauna in these wild places never go extinct. In the words of President Marshall Ayub Khan “For what is a sportsman without the game which he so ardently pursues ?”.

And let’s not even begin to discuss what will happen when the amount of wildlife in a particular ecosystem exceeds the area’s LCC (Land Carrying Capacity). As is currently occurring in Kruger National Park and India.

 

[jpr9954]

What the article doesn't reveal is just who paid for the "research". As with anything, follow the money.

It was produced for World Animal Protection which is anti-hunting or at least anti-trophy hunting.

From their press release:

World Animal Protection commissioned research into public attitudes towards trophy hunting, surveying 10,900 people from around the world, including international tourists from countries who most frequently visit South Africa, and South African citizens. It revealed universally strong opposition to the blood sport and a desire to finance the protection of the nation’s iconic wildlife through non-lethal alternatives such as responsible wildlife tourism.

No survey research is totally without bias and surveys from activists organizations always support their position. Look at the supposed surveys saying Americans want more gun control while FBI NICS checks are showing more than 1,000,000 firearms sold per month. The wording of a survey will get you the answers you want to present. Until I saw the raw data from this so-called survey, how participants were selected, and how the questions were worded, I say this nothing more than self-serving propaganda aimed at convincing bureaucrats to do the organization's bidding.

 

[jpr9954]

Tourists keen to pay for trophy hunting ban in SA - SA People

A 'lion protection fee', paid by incoming tourists, could be a game changer for SA's iconic wildlife...

www.sapeople.com

Always consider the source. Here is the author's bio from that website. She sure seems like an expert on wildlife issues. (sarc)

Jenni is the co-founder and ex-chief editor of SAPeople.com, co-author of The Expat Confessions and co-parent of three gorgeous daughters. After graduating, she worked as a TV producer, political researcher and journalist in South Africa, before moving to London to interview movie stars for international magazines and to tackle British teen angst for London Weekend Television. She has also lived in Australia, and currently lives in France. Jenni is happiest paddle boarding on the Med or sipping rooibos in the bush in Africa. Contact jen@sapeople.com

 

[Vintageguy]

Kinda leaves the actual private landowners, workers and wildlife on that same private land out in the cold though doesn’t it. I have to wonder how many of those questioned in the survey, assuming it actually took place at all, were hunters answering a question worded as “would you be willing to pay a tax for conservation?” Such much so called news or facts and data nowadays is total made up B.S.
Camera safari softies aren’t going anywhere besides places like the parks. The more remote areas will be left to replace wildlife with something that pays or get in line for some of that money from those fees, LOL!

 

[Pilgrim]

What is "responsible wildlife tourism"? I simply can't see any way to manage wildlife populations without either culling, or a good predator/prey balance (which I believe is impossible to consistently maintain).

 

[Ridge Runner]

When these a n ti hunting animal rights group's start putting 90% of their donations into actually doing something for wildlife and animal habitat and safety, and actually conduct an unbias survey of 100,000 + people who regulary (ie annually) actually participate touring Africa and other countries, only then I might consider their so called surveys legitimate.

 

[Sue Tidwell]

Those cannon ball sized testicles of these anti hunting tourists will become microscopic (if even that) the very second it’s time for them to actually pay up… let alone the amount equivalent to a hunting fee. Trust me, I’ve seen it all before. And all too often.

Everybody can talk a big game about wildlife conservation as long as they’re hiding behind the safety of a computer screen or sitting in an air conditioned city office. Let’s see how many can actually put their money where their mouth is.

If they really care for wildlife as much as they claim, then let them pick up a gun and partake in anti poaching patrol (as I dedicated 28 years of my life to doing during my service for the Department of Forests). And if they can’t do that, then let them pay money to the right people who will.

Until then, their words aren’t worth a bag of nails.

Tourists leave a far larger carbon footprint on an ecosystem than hunters ever do. And I doubt a tourist will want to pay money more than once for photographing fauna. Hunters on the other hand (on account of our passion) will keep being motivated to pay money again & again so that we can keep hunting in these wild places and so that the fauna in these wild places never go extinct. In the words of President Marshall Ayub Khan “For what is a sportsman without the game which he so ardently pursues ?”.

And let’s not even begin to discuss what will happen when the amount of wildlife in a particular ecosystem exceeds the area’s LCC (Land Carrying Capacity). As is currently occurring in Kruger National Park and India.

Charge them real money and let's see how happy they are to pay a fee. I have found all of the animal lovers emotions stop when it comes to dipping in their pockets. I keep several animal charity info on my phone. When someone wants to start their emotional animal loving/hunter hating rants, I challenge them to make a small $100 dollar donation with me at that moment (or shut up). They all have shut up and changed the subject.

Safe hunting

Absolutely great idea!!

 

[Hunter-Habib]

Absolutely great idea!!

The last paragraph of my latest article would interest you by offering some insight on this topic, Mrs. Tidwell.

Post in thread 'Baagh Shikar: The Art Of Hunting The Royal Bengal Tiger'
https://www.africahunting.com/threa...ing-the-royal-bengal-tiger.77655/post-1121340

 

[DJStang]

Always consider the source. Here is the author's bio from that website. She sure seems like an expert on wildlife issues. (sarc)

Jenni is the co-founder and ex-chief editor of SAPeople.com, co-author of The Expat Confessions and co-parent of three gorgeous daughters. After graduating, she worked as a TV producer, political researcher and journalist in South Africa, before moving to London to interview movie stars for international magazines and to tackle British teen angst for London Weekend Television. She has also lived in Australia, and currently lives in France. Jenni is happiest paddle boarding on the Med or sipping rooibos in the bush in Africa. Contact jen@sapeople.com

 

[jpr9954]

I was able to find an article that they published based upon their survey. They say data is available upon request but I wouldn't hold my breath.

A pdf of the article is below. I have only scanned it so far.

Assessing the potential for a levy-based system to replace revenue from trophy hunting in South Africa

In the original article they reference that 84% of visitors opposed trophy hunting. That isn't a surprise when the source of it was the anti-hunting group Humane Society International.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Always consider the source. Here is the author's bio from that website. She sure seems like an expert on wildlife issues. (sarc)

Jenni is the co-founder and ex-chief editor of SAPeople.com, co-author of The Expat Confessions and co-parent of three gorgeous daughters. After graduating, she worked as a TV producer, political researcher and journalist in South Africa, before moving to London to interview movie stars for international magazines and to tackle British teen angst for London Weekend Television. She has also lived in Australia, and currently lives in France. Jenni is happiest paddle boarding on the Med or sipping rooibos in the bush in Africa. Contact jen@sapeople.com

She definitely has that real, boots on the ground, understanding of the situation, doesn’t she?

 

[Altitude sickness]

Why not try it? It’s worked so well in Kenya :>))))

 

[Hogpatrol]

Take that article, it's findings, a buck and a quarter and get yourself a cup o' joe at the Quickie Mart.

That's an updated version of what my Pop used to say about newspaper articles, not worth the paper it's printed on.