And comparing it to an untouched one. The weight has gone from 3 3/4 llb dow to 2 lb even which will reduce further when the head is forged into an hawk head. I will get a friend to do the forging as I am no longer prepared to do the ammount of hammering that it will require and Andrew has a power hammer so it is a no brainer to send it to him to do that part for me and no I will not claim to have made it with not having done it a myself