11-87 feeding issue

[sgt_zim]

My son's 11-87 is having a feeding issue - it's several years old and was well-used when he got it. I pulled the trigger group completely apart, cleaned everything...

the shells are popping out of the magazine as they should, but they're just sitting on top of the carrier. If I depress the carrier button, and raise the carrier, then the bolt will go ahead and cycle the round into the chamber.

I have an idea there's an issue with the carrier button and a little quasi-horseshoe shaped vertical piece of steel that the carrier-button seems to be getting hung on. Or maybe the bottom of the bolt isn't grabbing it and pulling it all the way back.

Any thoughts? I'm about half inclined to just throw out the whole trigger group and buy a new one.

 

[Luvthunt]

No sure this fits,[without seeing the gun] but had a problem with eject in mine and replaced the rubber o-ring up on the mag tube and its worked fine since.

 

[sgt_zim]

not an ejection problem, only a feeding problem. the mag tube was dirty, but is now clean and slicker than owl crap.

when I charge the bolt handle, the shell pops out of the mag tube, but it just comes to rest on top of the carrier, and the bolt doesn't feed forward.

 

[greyfox]

Yes, lots of possibilities, nothing major - take it to a gunsmith
Or look at the reassembly of the trigger mechanism instructions, the lifer is not lifting (PROBABLY the catch and lefter arms are reversed on the left side of the trigger (going on memory here)
When a new round is loaded, there's a "gate" or a lever that is activated to lift the loading gate

 

[sgt_zim]

see anything unusual?

 

[Piet-Skiet]

My Remington 1100 does the same if the trigger group gets gumed up or the magazine tube spring is warn out. Try a new magazine tube spring and spray off the built op grime with carbarator cleaner. The stuff they used before cars came out with injectors.

 

[Tracey Colson]

There is a "link" that goes back into the stock that is apt to break on 1100 and 11-87's. I don't remember for sure the problem that it causes when it breaks but when I shot my 1100 competitively I always carried and extra of these. It is easy to take out and see if it is broke and easy to replace if it is so it might be worth checking. Does the action stay open or does it close on an empty chamber?

 

[Piet-Skiet]

Yes mine broke. I had one made out of steel as Remington and the local agents refused to help me but usually it is a failure to engage that littel tab on the trigger group. It needs a strong magazine spring to overcome recoil aswel as that "tab". Wish I coulf import it somehow

 

[sgt_zim]

There is a "link" that goes back into the stock that is apt to break on 1100 and 11-87's. I don't remember for sure the problem that it causes when it breaks but when I shot my 1100 competitively I always carried and extra of these. It is easy to take out and see if it is broke and easy to replace if it is so it might be worth checking. Does the action stay open or does it close on an empty chamber?

It stays open, as if the magazine were empty.

 

[Hogpatrol]

It's been a while since I had an 11-87 and IIRC I had the same issue. There is a part that is so prone to breakage, Midway USA used to carry them. It's located on the left side of the receiver and has to be soldered, the interceptor latch pin. See if it's still there. Photo here, you can blow up the schematic and see how it's attached to a pin on the side of the receiver.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/remington/1187/parts-list-rem1187?page=7&sort-by=name asc

 

[Tracey Colson]

ok, i think i see your trouble. I took one of my 1100s apart and it appears that there is a piece broke off and missing in your trigger group.

I can't tell for sure if it is there in your picture or not. I have broke this before as well and it falls out and you don't know it is missing. hope this helps

 

[sgt_zim]

it's there, just difficult to see in the pic.

 

[Tracey Colson]

ok, everything looks normal to me, you can check and make sure that the piece that i have circled is secure but other than that I don't see anything up with that trigger group.

 

[Piet-Skiet]

If your magazine spring is weak it does not trip that thing that you circled and it wil lock open as if empty.....

 

[greyfox]

Hey, trigger group LOOKS fine, what I referred to earlier was the silver arm forward of the trigger and the black arm running aft, The forward arm goes UNDER the (I believe it's called) the sear release - yours looks correct.

The circled piece - that's the gate release, yours looks like there's a flat spring holding it.
When the shell is released from the mag, the spring drives it aft to engage that release to allow the gun to cycle.
LOTS of things will prevent that from happening: gunked up mag release, gunked up mag, springs, etc.
I've replaced exactly ONE in all the years I worked on guns; not for the faint of heart!!
In the butt of the stock is a tube with a long, stiff spring - that drives the bolt forward. If that is gunked up it does no allow the bolt to go full aft which stops the gun from cycling.

Does it feed and load manually? If it does but does not when it's fired, it's either not enough gas or sticky chamber, or sticky mag.

Try it manually; is it a MAGNUM receiver and you're shooting field loads?

It's been a month since original post - take it to a gunsmith.

 

[sgt_zim]

ok, everything looks normal to me, you can check and make sure that the piece that i have circled is secure but other than that I don't see anything up with that trigger group.

Mag spring still has enough energy to slam the shell against the carrier release.

 

[greyfox]

Mag spring still has enough energy to slam the shell against the carrier release.

But if the bolt is not fully retracted, the gate will not lift to feed the next round. Does it work manually?

 

[greyfox]

Does the carrier release move to allow the gate to lift?

 

[Newboomer]

Ah, one of the many problems with a semi. Too many parts. Get an 870 and forget all those headaches.

 

[greyfox]

I've fixed WAY more 870s and 500s than autos, Maybe my clientele was more pump fans ?
Autos are GREAT if you keep them lubricated and cleaned; however nothing is worse than an auto which isn't!