30-30 swift a-frame

[gajie270]

they seem like one of the best options for 30-30. so I'm asking what experience people have with them and if you have recovered bullets show me a picture.

 

[375Fox]

Are you trying to build up posts before you list a dangerous game rifle or high end scope for sale? Very curious how you decided this.

 

[rookhawk]

I know nothing about this application. I would be surprised to find that a 30-30 A-frame would be anything but a poorly functioning solid. The 30-30 has so little energy, a tough bullet is something I've never seen before? Generally, you want a mushy old corelokt to get a good mushroom and suitable 30-30 performance.

This is all conjecture, I'd be happy to learn I'm wrong by someone with more real-world knowledge of this load.

 

[gajie270]

I know nothing about this application. I would be surprised to find that a 30-30 A-frame would be anything but a poorly functioning solid. The 30-30 has so little energy, a tough bullet is something I've never seen before? Generally, you want a mushy old corelokt to get a good mushroom and suitable 30-30 performance.

This is all conjecture, I'd be happy to learn I'm wrong by someone with more real-world knowledge of this load.

swift has its lever action line of a-frames and I can't seem to find much any information on how they perform in 30-30 win.

 

[rookhawk]

swift has its lever action line of a-frames and I can't seem to find much any information on how they perform in 30-30 win.

I would assume, horribly.

Your best bullet for 30-30 is going to be a leverevolution for long range accuracy and decent BC. For killing bigger stuff at close range (e.g. trophy black bear) its pretty hard to top a corelokt.

The typical 30 caliber A-frames are designed for 300winmag, 300HH, or better. (e.g. 300 weatherby, etc.)

I realize they sell lever-gun bullets, but I don't read that as designed for weak calibers, rather that they are designed for safety in a tubular magazine.

 

[gajie270]

I realize they sell lever-gun bullets, but I don't read that as designed for weak calibers, rather that they are designed for safety in a tubular magazine.

swifts website says they are meant for 30-30 both the 150 and 170 grain

 

[rookhawk]

swifts website says they are meant for 30-30 both the 150 and 170 grain

You're absolutely right. I stand now newly informed. Eager to hear what people who have tried them say.

 

[steve white]

doubt is a 30-30 will open them up properly

 

[Dukeisok]

No personal experience, however swift says the lever bullets are designed to open up between 1200fps and 2700fps impact velocity. That should work beautifully for a 30-30 at appropriate range and game. I personally love the 30-30 (with barnes tsx 150s for lever guns, which has a huge hollowpoint and is another good option) for deer at North Carolina ranges. It just works and nothing else is needed here.

 

[TucsonFX4]

The a frame certainly isn’t what I expected for a 30-30, but perhaps I am wrong.

 

[mdwest]

its pretty hard to top a corelokt.

Completely agree with this statement...

Im a dyed in the wool barnes guy... but for something like a 30-30... I likely wouldn't consider reloading.. even with the crazy elevated prices of factory ammo these days.. a box of 170gr corelokt is still less than $35... and if used properly, will do everything (and more) that a 30-30 was ever intended on doing..

Youre going to pay $85 for 50x 150gr A-Frames (the ones designed for 30-30).. and going to drop another $15 (or more) in primers, powder, and brass.. not to mention the time you're going to have to spend at the bench..

The corelokt is less expensive per round.. and at 30-30 speeds will perform as good today as it has for the last several decades..

 

[rookhawk]

Completely agree with this statement...

Im a dyed in the wool barnes guy... but for something like a 30-30... I likely wouldn't consider reloading.. even with the crazy elevated prices of factory ammo these days.. a box of 170gr corelokt is still less than $35... and if used properly, will do everything (and more) that a 30-30 was ever intended on doing..

Youre going to pay $85 for 50x 150gr A-Frames (the ones designed for 30-30).. and going to drop another $15 (or more) in primers, powder, and brass.. not to mention the time you're going to have to spend at the bench..

The corelokt is less expensive per round.. and at 30-30 speeds will perform as good today as it has for the last several decades..

I had a 30-30 Single shot years ago. As such, I could load anything I wanted into a falling block and thus, couldn't care less about tube feed requirements to have a round nose bullet.

A 30-30 single shot (and only a single shot) loaded with a Nosler ballistic tip 150gr or 165gr bullet is pretty fantastic. It went through 300lb hogs like butter and had zero recoil.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I bought a savage 219 in 30-30 a couple years ago and started loading for it after tearing a muscle in my neck. The best bullets I found apart from hard cast were Sierra game king 125s intended for m1 carbine use.

 

[Graham Hunter]

Remember A Frame is just a design. Thay could be designed to open at 30-30 velocities or they could be designed to open at 300 Win velocities. just don't try in one in the other!

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

 

[CoElkHunter]

Completely agree with this statement...

Im a dyed in the wool barnes guy... but for something like a 30-30... I likely wouldn't consider reloading.. even with the crazy elevated prices of factory ammo these days.. a box of 170gr corelokt is still less than $35... and if used properly, will do everything (and more) that a 30-30 was ever intended on doing..

Youre going to pay $85 for 50x 150gr A-Frames (the ones designed for 30-30).. and going to drop another $15 (or more) in primers, powder, and brass.. not to mention the time you're going to have to spend at the bench..

The corelokt is less expensive per round.. and at 30-30 speeds will perform as good today as it has for the last several decades..

My local Wal Mart has Federal .30-30s now for $24/box. Prices are definitely coming down for a lot of standard hunting cartridges. Except for my favorite.338WM. They’re MIA! LOL

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

I just bought two boxes of 170grain federal blue box to get fresh brass and paid over a hundred dollars for the pair.

 

[rookhawk]

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Just pointing out from the chart, one example. A 350gr load out of a 45-70 should be going around 1900fps. That would likely impact an animal somewhere around 1750fps to 1400fps. The appearance of those bullets at that velocity would be underwhelming.

I'm sure a single shot 45-90 or 45-120 would be epic with such a bullet, but not so keen on that photo of expansion at typical velocities. If the 30-30 opens similarly, I think you're still slinging "solids" at distances over 100 yards. Just my skepticism.

 

[gajie270]

Just pointing out from the chart, one example. A 350gr load out of a 45-70 should be going around 1900fps. That would likely impact an animal somewhere around 1750fps to 1400fps. The appearance of those bullets at that velocity would be underwhelming.

I'm sure a single shot 45-90 or 45-120 would be epic with such a bullet, but not so keen on that photo of expansion at typical velocities. If the 30-30 opens similarly, I think you're still slinging "solids" at distances over 100 yards. Just my skepticism.

I had similar thoughts, this is why I want to know how they perform on game.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I would assume, horribly.

Your best bullet for 30-30 is going to be a leverevolution for long range accuracy and decent BC. For killing bigger stuff at close range (e.g. trophy black bear) its pretty hard to top a corelokt.

The typical 30 caliber A-frames are designed for 300winmag, 300HH, or better. (e.g. 300 weatherby, etc.)

I realize they sell lever-gun bullets, but I don't read that as designed for weak calibers, rather that they are designed for safety in a tubular magazine.

@rookhawk
I have seen the A-FRAME advertised as a component for the 444 marlin in 280gn but the price was thru the roof so I suxk to the Woodleigh 280gn RNSP
Bob