Anyone run a muzzle brake-suppressor combo on a .375?

[TN_Farmer]

Just curious if anyone runs a muzzle brake-suppressor combo on a .375 H&H?

I know a few exist as modular units together from the same manufacturer intended to run together, I've seen a muzzle brake from one company and a suppressor from another company used together.

I'd love your experience and recommendations.

 

[DLSJR]

That sounds unwieldy and would make a barrel not only unbalanced but also very long. I can’t imagine hunting with such a setup. Especially for dangerous game.

 

[TN_Farmer]

That sounds unwieldy and would make a barrel not only unbalanced but also very long. I can’t imagine hunting with such a setup. Especially for dangerous game.

Well, the barrel would be shortened to accommodate the additional length, and the muzzle brake-suppressor combo adds back weight to keep it balanced.

I know nothing of this company or products, but here is one such combo.
https://eliteiron.com/product/asset-375-cal-modular-suppressor/

 

[DLSJR]

I guess the logic is lost on me. I don’t understand why an unaltered 24” barrel isn’t good enough. To me, the original 24” barrel for a 375 H&H is perfect. It’s a comfortable cartridge to shoot and very effective, no matter the game. Also, I don’t know a single PH who wants to be near any muzzle braked gun when it fires. A muzzle brake simply isn’t needed with a 375.

 

[TN_Farmer]

I think "comfortable" is subjective.

I didn't grow up shooting much, and the .375 is not comfortable to me. I'm 6'3" and can manage it just fine, but I'd rather use current technology that makes shooting more enjoyable for me. I'm okay with that.
We have technology that can do that with a muzzle brake (reduced felt recoil) and a suppressor (that hopefully mitigates the increased noise from the muzzle brake while adding even more reduction in felt recoil).

So why not utilize it?

 

[BeeMaa]

@TN_Farmer - Work your way up slowly to the 375H&H and it won't be a problem. Do dry fire practice to learn the rifle fit, safety operation and trigger pull. Keep range sessions to a max of 6-10 live fire rounds. Live fire is only to confirm what you are practicing during dry fire sessions. No reason to blow through ammo (money) doing so.

Take your time. Slow and steady wins the race. With proper practice, just about anyone can learn to shoot a .375 caliber/9.3mm rifle with relative ease. Save the brake for a 460WBY.

I'm 70" and 160 lbs and comfortably shoot a 7.75 lb rifle in 375H&H with no problems.

 

[375Fox]

I think "comfortable" is subjective.

I didn't grow up shooting much, and the .375 is not comfortable to me. I'm 6'3" and can manage it just fine, but I'd rather use current technology that makes shooting more enjoyable for me. I'm okay with that.
We have technology that can do that with a muzzle brake (reduced felt recoil) and a suppressor (that hopefully mitigates the increased noise from the muzzle brake while adding even more reduction in felt recoil).

So why not utilize it?

A suppressor isn’t legal in many of the DG hunting destinations such as Zimbabwe. I think it limits you to just South Africa and Namibia. So if you are going to cut back barrel you are really limiting it’s potential use where it can’t be paired with a suppressor.

 

[TN_Farmer]

A suppressor isn’t legal in many of the DG hunting destinations such as Zimbabwe. I think it limits you to just South Africa and Namibia. So if you are going to cut back barrel you are really limiting it’s potential use where it can’t be paired with a suppressor.

That's a valid point.

 

[TN_Farmer]

@TN_Farmer - Work your way up slowly to the 375H&H and it won't be a problem. Do dry fire practice to learn the rifle fit, safety operation and trigger pull. Keep range sessions to a max of 6-10 live fire rounds. Live fire is only to confirm what you are practicing during dry fire sessions. No reason to blow through ammo (money) doing so.

Take your time. Slow and steady wins the race. With proper practice, just about anyone can learn to shoot a .375 caliber/9.3mm rifle with relative ease. Save the brake for a 460WBY.

I'm 70" and 160 lbs and comfortably shoot a 7.75 lb rifle in 375H&H with no problems.

I am shooting the .375 now... and I do agree, the more I shoot, the more comfortable I am with it.
And I am limiting my shooting with it... 3-5 rounds at a time. So I completely agree that with time, I'll be able to handle it as well as my smaller rifles.

I do think your advice is very sound. And you speak from experience. So I appreciate that.

But, to be devil's advocate, why save it for a 460WBY? Why not save it for a 50 cal or larger?
This all seems very subjective to me.

If you want recoil reduction for caliber X, you just need more time to get used to it, you just need to toughen up (no one has said this on this forum to me, but there's that sentiment in the shooting world, for sure).

But at some point, it's okay for recoil reduction for caliber Y.... just not for X.

Why is one okay, but another is not?

 

[RLL]

I’ve ran a 375 Ruger, barrel cut to 18”, Dead air QD with suppressor. Shot as soft as an ‘06 with that signature suppressor impulse. Buddy took a buff with it in SA. Could shoot 270’s-300gr projectiles at ~2800 to 2600 fps. Was fun to shoot and load for but not my cup of tea.

 

[TN_Farmer]

I’ve ran a 375 Ruger, barrel cut to 18”, Dead air QD with suppressor. Shot as soft as an ‘06 with that signature suppressor impulse. Buddy took a buff with it in SA. Could shoot 270’s-300gr projectiles at ~2800 to 2600 fps. Was fun to shoot and load for but not my cup of tea.

Why not your cup of tea?

 

[Red Leg]

Sounds like a really complicated "solution" to a nonexistent problem. Your PH and Tracker will not say it to your face, but they will loathe the muzzle brake element. Moreover, if you have decided to use a suppressor, why on earth would anyone need a muzzle brake as well?

 

[375Fox]

I am shooting the .375 now... and I do agree, the more I shoot, the more comfortable I am with it.
And I am limiting my shooting with it... 3-5 rounds at a time. So I completely agree that with time, I'll be able to handle it as well as my smaller rifles.

I do think your advice is very sound. And you speak from experience. So I appreciate that.

But, to be devil's advocate, why save it for a 460WBY? Why not save it for a 50 cal or larger?
This all seems very subjective to me.

If you want recoil reduction for caliber X, you just need more time to get used to it, you just need to toughen up (no one has said this on this forum to me, but there's that sentiment in the shooting world, for sure).

But at some point, it's okay for recoil reduction for caliber Y.... just not for X.

Why is one okay, but another is not?

I don’t shoot any rifle above a 223 more than 5 rounds unless it’s a particular circumstance. I find it counter productive. I get more from dry fire practice on a dummy and it’s cheaper.

I don’t think you’ll find any supporters of using muzzle breaks while hunting Africa here. I think a 460 wby was used as an example because it’s often viewed as an impractical cartridge that’s pushing dangerous recoil levels at weatherby velocities. I’d choose to shoot a 470 or 500 NE at slower velocities before shooting a 460 wby.

 

[TN_Farmer]

I've never used a muzzle break, so this question was more of a mental exercise.

My understanding is that the reason muzzle breaks are generally not liked was because of the significantly increased noise (and the suppressor would mitigate that)... but is the blast of air from a muzzle break what the PH's don't like?

 

[375Fox]

I've never used a muzzle break, so this question was more of a mental exercise.

My understanding is that the reason muzzle breaks are generally not liked was because of the significantly increased noise (and the suppressor would mitigate that)... but is the blast of air from a muzzle break what the PH's don't like?

If it’s suppressed most PHs won’t have a problem with it if you can carry it through brush and rifle is balanced. PHs don’t like muzzle breaks because many are experiencing hearing loss. Muzzle breaks only make it worse especially if shot is in tight quarters in brush with a PH trying to look down your shot path while you shoot.

 

[RLL]

Why not your cup of tea?

I’d rather a carry a shorter, lighter stalking rifle w/o the can in the Tx bush or on safari. You typically only get 1-3 shots either way.

 

[Andrew62]

I think "comfortable" is subjective.

I didn't grow up shooting much, and the .375 is not comfortable to me. I'm 6'3" and can manage it just fine, but I'd rather use current technology that makes shooting more enjoyable for me. I'm okay with that.
We have technology that can do that with a muzzle brake (reduced felt recoil) and a suppressor (that hopefully mitigates the increased noise from the muzzle brake while adding even more reduction in felt recoil).

So why not utilize it?

I would like to add that I too have a .375H&H. I'm not a fan of recoil, so I had the 24" barrel cut down to 20", had the barrel threaded. When I go to the range I screw on a muzzle brake and I also slip on a Limbsaver butt pad. This makes range shooting quite pleasant. When I hunt I take off the muzzle brake and extra butt pad. Just a thought to help reduce recoil for range shooting.

 

[brym427]

I think "comfortable" is subjective.

I didn't grow up shooting much, and the .375 is not comfortable to me. I'm 6'3" and can manage it just fine, but I'd rather use current technology that makes shooting more enjoyable for me. I'm okay with that.
We have technology that can do that with a muzzle brake (reduced felt recoil) and a suppressor (that hopefully mitigates the increased noise from the muzzle brake while adding even more reduction in felt recoil).

So why not utilize it?

A suppressor with muzzle brake on the end will reduce recoil because of the suppressor. There will be no increase in noise and also no additional decrease in recoil with a brake on the end. I know because ive had and used them. The only benefit of a brake on the end is it actually makes it the slightest bit quieter and on a semi auto, it will make it a hair less gassey

 

[Hooknbullet2]

Thunder Beast now makes a 375 caliber suppressor with or without a muzzle brake.

https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/magnus

 

[analog_peninsula]

I ran a suppressor over a brake muzzle device on a lightweight .338 Lapua. It made a very nasty rifle feel about like a .30-06, and completely detuned the muzzle blast. The setup works amazingly well assuming you can sort out the balance, weight, barrel length, etc.