Blaser R8 scope mount question

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I did a search and couldn’t find the info I was looking for, so I hope this isn’t redundan. I have a question concerning which height rings would be appropriate using the Blaser scope mount.
The low rings with a 30mm straight tube scope are self explanatory. My question concerns what height rings are you using with 30mm scopes with 44mm and 50mm objective scopes?
 
This is a great question meigsbucks, that I am happy to answer based on factual experience with 8 different barrel / scope R8 combinations, and yes, I had to actually exchange 2 "low" 30 mm scope mounts for 2 "high" 30 mm scope mounts.

But the R8 scope mounts clearance issue is NOT where you think it is ;)

About any reasonable objective diameter I can think of, including 56 mm, will easily clear the barrel (and the rear sights if present) with a low mount, whether 1" or 30 mm.

What may not clear, is the bottom of the turrets housing...


Let me explain and illustrate using six examples...

Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 in 1 inch low mount on standard .223 barrel.jpg

Here is a Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 in 1 inch high mount on a standard .223 barrel. Observe how the 50 mm objective comfortably clears the barrel. This was my first Blaser mount, and I used a high mount because, like you, I did not know - and could not find out - if a 50 mm objective would clear a low mount. Turns out it would clear it easily.

Leica Magnus 1-6.3x24i in 30 mm low mount on Selous .458 Lott barrel.jpg

Here is a Leica Magnus 1-6.3x24i in 30 mm low mount on a Selous .458 Lott barrel. Observe how, of course, the straight tube clearance is indeed not a concern, but observe also how little clearance the low mount leaves to the bottom of the turrets housing. There is not much margin, and it works ... but just barely...

Leica ERi 2.5-10x42 in 30 mm low mount on semi-weight .375 H&H barrel.jpg

Here is a Leica ERi 2.5-10x42 in 30 mm low mount on a semi-weight .375 H&H barrel. Observe how the 42 mm objective clearance is also not a concern, but observe also again how little clearance the low mount leaves to the bottom of the turrets housing. There is not much margin either, and it too works ... but again just barely...

Zeiss V4 scope in Blaser R8  mm low scope mount.jpg

Here is a Zeiss V4 4-16x50 in 30 mm low mount on standard .300 Wby barrel. Although there was plenty of clearance for the objective bell, observe how the bottom of the turrets housing is bottoming out. I immediately saw this but still tried against all visual indications. When I tightened either front or rear ring, the scope tilted front or back, clearly confirming that the low rings are lower than the turrets housing bottom. I had to return and exchange two low 30 mm scope mounts for 2 high scope mounts...

Zeiss V4 4-16x50 in 30 mm high mount on standard .257 Wby barrel.jpg

Here is another Zeiss V4 4-16x50, this time in 30 mm high mounts on a standard .257 Wby barrel. This is one of the two scopes for which I had to return and exchange a low mount for a high mount. Observe how the clearance for the 50 mm objective is largely superior to the clearance for the bottom of the turrets housing.

Zeiss V4 4-16x44 in 30 mm high mount on standard .270 Win barrel.jpg

Here is a Zeiss V4 4-16x44 in 30 mm high mounts on a standard .270 Win barrel. Observe how the clearance for the 44 mm objective is disproportionate, and would be easily accommodated by a low mount, but how the clearance for the bottom of the turrets housing is still what mandates a high mount.

Observe also how in all cases, the scopes easily clear the rear iron sights, not visible on all pictures, but present on all barrels, because Blaser install the rear sights way forward.

In summary, yes, there are some mount height limitations for the R8 with the low mounts either 1" or 30 mm, but in my experience the diameter of the objective bell is not the limiting factor (at least for common sizes, up to and including 56 mm). Check carefully the bulging of the bottom of the turrets housing...

I hope this helped :)
 
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Great insight. Thanks for taking the time to post, especially the ”visual aids”.
 
Alternate option...rail mounted scopes. I know having to buy another scope isn't always a financial option, but if you were starting from scratch it's something to consider. This removes the rings portion from the equation. So it's scope-mount-rifle, instead of scope-rings-mount-rifle. This option also deletes the necessary scope leveling that's always a PITA with ring mounts.

Mrs BeeMaa's 300WM with Swaro Z8i 2-16x50 in Contessa QD mount
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My 375H&H with Swaro Z8i 1-8x24 in Contessa QD mount.
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Ditto @BeeMaa on the rail scopes. I started with all rail scopes and have now added a new barrel with a VX6 on it. I have never thought of the clearance issue because it has not come up. Everything Blaser just works!
Enjoy setting up your R8!
 
Alternate option...rail mounted scopes. I know having to buy another scope isn't always a financial option, but if you were starting from scratch it's something to consider. This removes the rings portion from the equation. So it's scope-mount-rifle, instead of scope-rings-mount-rifle. This option also deletes the necessary scope leveling that's always a PITA with ring mounts.

Mrs BeeMaa's 300WM with Swaro Z8i 2-16x50 in Contessa QD mount
View attachment 498485


My 375H&H with Swaro Z8i 1-8x24 in Contessa QD mount.
View attachment 498487
I know that a rail system is the best option, and has a lot of advantages, however, for me, those scopes are out of my price range. The additional cost of four of those would cover the trophy fees on a buffalo hunt.
By the way, Mrs BeeMaa’s rifle has some nice furniture.
 
I know that a rail system is the best option, and has a lot of advantages, however, for me, those scopes are out of my price range. The additional cost of four of those would cover the trophy fees on a buffalo hunt.
By the way, Mrs BeeMaa’s rifle has some nice furniture.
Appreciate the compliment. I've always been a stainless & synthetic guy, had it not been for her I never would have gotten this...
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Ditto @BeeMaa on the rail scopes. I started with all rail scopes and have now added a new barrel with a VX6 on it. I have never thought of the clearance issue because it has not come up. Everything Blaser just works!
Enjoy setting up your R8!
Are you using the low or high rings for the VX6, as one of the scopes I plan on mounting is a VX5? What caliber is the new barrel?
 
Has anyone found a lighter weight option there mounts are great but heavy. Could some one weight the qd mount and rings and give me a accurate weight? It would be greatly appreciated
 
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Has anyone found a lighter weight option there mounts are great but heavy. Could some one weight the qd mount and rings and give me a accurate weight? It would be greatly appreciated
I'd be curious to see Blaser QD weight vs traditional base and rings. I'd wager there isnt close to a significant difference
 
This is a great question meigsbucks, that I am happy to answer based on factual experience with 8 different barrel / scope R8 combinations, and yes, I had to actually exchange 2 "low" 30 mm scope mounts for 2 "high" 30 mm scope mounts.

But the R8 scope mounts clearance issue is NOT where you think it is ;)

About any reasonable objective diameter I can think of, including 56 mm, will easily clear the barrel (and the rear sights if present) with a low mount, whether 1" or 30 mm.

What may not clear, is the bottom of the turrets housing...


Let me explain and illustrate using six examples...

View attachment 498399
Here is a Swarovski Z3 4-12x50 in 1 inch high mount on a standard .223 barrel. Observe how the 50 mm objective comfortably clears the barrel. This was my first Blaser mount, and I used a high mount because, like you, I did not know - and could not find out - if a 50 mm objective would clear a low mount. Turns out it would clear it easily.

View attachment 498400
Here is a Leica Magnus 1-6.3x24i in 30 mm low mount on a Selous .458 Lott barrel. Observe how, of course, the straight tube clearance is indeed not a concern, but observe also how little clearance the low mount leaves to the bottom of the turrets housing. There is not much margin, and it works ... but just barely...

View attachment 498405
Here is a Leica ERi 2.5-10x42 in 30 mm low mount on a semi-weight .375 H&H barrel. Observe how the 42 mm objective clearance is also not a concern, but observe also again how little clearance the low mount leaves to the bottom of the turrets housing. There is not much margin either, and it too works ... but again just barely...

View attachment 498401
Here is a Zeiss V4 4-16x50 in 30 mm low mount on standard .300 Wby barrel. Although there was plenty of clearance for the objective bell, observe how the bottom of the turrets housing is bottoming out. I immediately saw this but still tried against all visual indications. When I tightened either front or rear ring, the scope tilted front or back, clearly confirming that the low rings are lower than the turrets housing bottom. I had to return and exchange two low 30 mm scope mounts for 2 high scope mounts...

View attachment 498403
Here is another Zeiss V4 4-16x50, this time in 30 mm high mounts on a standard .257 Wby barrel. This is one of the two scopes for which I had to return and exchange a low mount for a high mount. Observe how the clearance for the 50 mm objective is largely superior to the clearance for the bottom of the turrets housing.

View attachment 498404
Here is a Zeiss V4 4-16x44 in 30 mm high mounts on a standard .270 Win barrel. Observe how the clearance for the 44 mm objective is disproportionate, and would be easily accommodated by a low mount, but how the clearance for the bottom of the turrets housing is still what mandates a high mount.

Observe also how in all cases, the scopes easily clear the rear iron sights, not visible on all pictures, but present on all barrels, because Blaser install the rear sights way forward.

In summary, yes, there are some mount height limitations for the R8 with the low mounts either 1" or 30 mm, but in my experience the diameter of the objective bell is not the limiting factor (at least for common sizes, up to and including 56 mm). Check carefully the bulging of the bottom of the turrets housing...

I hope this helped :)

Hi
I have this bottom of the scope clearance issue with my Aimpoint 9000, I have two INNOmounts for my R93 with a 6x42 and 8x56 S&B, both have ample clearance in low 30mm rings. My Aimpoint has a fat belly and will NOT mount in low rings as it bells out on the mounting base.
Cheers
John
 
Great info. Note also that scopes with a large eyepiece might hinder access to the cocking mechanism if mounted too low.
 
These are the reasons I went with rail mounted scopes for my Blaser R8's.

Blaser is a European company and makes most of their rifles for the EU market. Another thing that is predominantly European are scopes with an integral rail mount. As a matter of fact the Blaser home page shows a R8 with a Blaser rail mounted scope.

I won't say that the rail mounted scope is a necessity, but it appears that Blaser has designed their rifle around the market that buys them the most. Europeans.

Scopes with rings are not exclusively American just like rail scopes are not exclusively European. However if you are buying a rifle that was designed to work with certain parts, don't be surprised if you run into a few issues when you are not using them.

FYI - I'm positive if you bought a Blaser R8 and topped it with whatever Blaser rail mounted scope you wanted and put it in a Blaser mount...it would work perfectly. Not the least expensive route for sure, but there is something to be said about compatibility.
 

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