CZ 550 458 lott doubts for bell and carlson stock

[Lourenço Fontes]

Here's the deal , I 'm looking to buy a CZ550 american safari rifle 458 lott , but first I need to make sure it have bell and carlson stock for it , the rifle is only useful to me with a synthetic stock , and when i ask them , they asked for some information that I don't have all , i just know about the magazine ,

if somebody here knows i thank so much

below are the questions

Does it have a heavy or standard barrel?
Hinged floorplate or detachable magazine?
What is the center to center on your action screws?
Does this have a single recoil lug or two?

 

[Lourenço Fontes]

Safari magnum is the rifle ,

 

[ay2626]

I had this stock on a CZ 550 in 458 Lott. No problems. Dropped right in.

Bell and Carlson: CZ 550 American Safari, Sporter Style, Hinged Floorplate

Bell and Carlson is a leader in synthetic stock design, technology and manufacturer of the highest quality fiberglass, aramid and graphite gun stocks available.

www.bellandcarlson.com

 

[Lourenço Fontes]

Thank You so much , there is no variation between 458 lott safari magnum and 458 lott american safari? I saw 550 rifles in the same caliber with both inscriptions, does the stock fit both?
which two two is yours ?

 

[ay2626]

I had sold the rifle on here a little while ago. It was marked safari magnum. Link to the thread with photos of below. Someone here more well versed in CZ 550s might be able shed some clarity on if there are any differences between the two. I don’t think any difference in the actions. @krish - you might know more about this.

For Sale CZ 550 In 458 Lott

Up for sale is is a CZ 550 in 458 Lott. Has a Bell and Carlson stock but otherwise is in factory condition. I purchased used in excellent shape. Does not appear to have been used much or at all. I have tested feeding with factory Barnes TSX and Federal loaded with Woodleigh Hydros. I did not...

www.africahunting.com

 

[krish]

@ay2626
It fits good. But there is no hole for the barrel screw in the front. Some say that hole needs to be drilled and barrel secured for accuracy.
Krish

 

[krish]

The one I got from CZ directly also did not have the hole to secure the barrel.
Krish

 

[Hyde Hunter]

the 550 came in the American Safari and the African Safari the only difference that I know of is the hog back stock on the African and was better suited for iron site, the American was for scope sites, my African is perfect with a Leupold 1.5x4 scope. my understanding is Bell and Carlson does not inlet for the front barrel recoil lug as they do not need it. if I am wrong someone please educate me thanks Jim

 

[Bonk]

I replaced the wood stock on my CZ550 magnum 375H&H with a B&C stock. The B&C stock is inletted for the forward lug but there isn't any screw hole. I chose to drill and countersink the fore end so I could secure the forward lug. I suspect the reason they don't pre drill the hole for the third lug is not all CZ550s have three lugs.

 

[Lourenço Fontes]

I ask them about it of our questions here , after you guys guys help me a lot , and here what they answer me .


You will need Sku#7552. As for the barrel screw,
that is part of the factory or wood stock design
and is not needed when you put your barrel and
action into our stock.

 

[One Day...]

The B&C stocks are not inletted for the barrel mounted recoil lug because they have a full length aluminum bedding block imbedded in the kevlar stock.

There is exactly zero chance that the recoil of any shoulder fired cartridge will crack either the aluminum bedding block or the stock itself.

The aluminum bedding block has integrated pillars, is full length and extends from the front swivel to the pistol grip, which guaranties both the free floating of the barrel and the strength of the grip.

For info, B&C are the ones who made the so-called Aramid stock that CZ sold as an option.

I own several of these on my CZ 550s (and Win 70s, and Wby Mk Vs, and etc.) and am happy with them. Also I have never heard anyone having any issue with them.

I confirm that the one to buy is #7552 for the CZ 550 magnum length action, regardless of caliber. All the factory barrels (.375, .416. .404, .458, .500, .505) have the same external diameter and they all fit without problem.

One last thought: some people strangely believe that aluminum bedding block stocks will benefit from bedding them with a resin compound (like wooden stock do). This is not only not needed but actually detrimental. Just drop the action on the block, make sure the barrel is centered in the channel and torque the two action screws to 65 in-lbs.

 

[Lourenço Fontes]

Tks again , glass bed this stock, would be my next question, and now it's already answered.
No glass bed need

 

[Lourenço Fontes]

I also had a winchester 308 model70 extreme weather that came whit stock BC from factory , and i loved , and decided to have synthetic stock on my buffalo rifles , but i have a 70 safari express 375, 70 super express 458WM and ruger RSM 77 458lott , and i never found BC or other synthetic stock for them , so i decided to do it on a CZ.

 

[Hunter4752001]

@One Day... thanks for showing the picture of the aluminium bedding block. I hadn't seen that before. Looks like a very strong design. Does anyone know if those stocks will fit the Brno ZKK 602 ? Also, can they be trimmed for a shorter length of pull if required?

 

[intj]

One last thought: some people strangely believe that aluminum bedding block stocks will benefit from bedding them with a resin compound (like wooden stock do). This is not only not needed but actually detrimental. Just drop the action on the block, make sure the barrel is centered in the channel and torque the two action screws to 65 in-lbs.

I am one of those strangely believing people.

While these stocks--and I have several--shoot well enough as is, they are indeed improved with bedding. The bedding blocks often are not straight and when the action screws are tightened then stress is introduced into the stock. That stress opens up groups.

Also, when the recoil lug is bedded where there is clearance at the bottom and front but it is solid against the sides and back, it helps minimize movement between the barreled action and stock, which also improves accuracy.

A good way to tell if there is stress in the bedding is to mount a dial indicator base on the barrel and preload the tip on the stock. Then, with the rifle held vertically, tighten and loosen the guard screws. There should be .002" movement or less, and the indicator should go back to the same reading when the stock is tightened.

Now again, when we only care about 1 to 1.5 MOA DG rifles, then none of this matters much. But if you want reasonably consistent 1/2 MOA at distance, it does make a difference.

The hunting rifles we build, whether I chamber them or the guy I trained chambers them, and we do the load development; we routinely get sub 1/2 MOA at 650 yds. And it's not just the rifles we build, any rifle built by a decent rifle-builder can be tuned to that level. We have developed loads for many.

The rifles I have built for myself to shoot in 1000 yd BR competitions have shot several screamer groups (<2.5" 5-shot groups, and < 5" 10-shot groups) and have won several aggs.

The key is to cut a straight throat in a decent barrel, have an stress-free bedding job that controls movement, and an action that is reasonably true. Sometimes we can get that in a B&C aluminum block stock, often not.

 

[One Day...]

No arguing from me here, but as you state yourself intj, 1,000 yard bench rest shooting, or even 650 yard "hunting" are a bit irrelevant to DG rifles, as I doubt that any of it would be attempted with a .458 Lott

It looks like we agree that in the given context, that of DG rifles, glass bedding an aluminum block stock is irrelevant, and I will continue to say "can be detrimental" because few and far between are the folks who actually know how to bed a stock properly (you and your folks being obviously assumed to do it right), resulting in compensating for potential minute defects in the aluminum block and/or barreled action molding or machining, as opposed to creating high spots in the recoil lug area guaranteed to bend the action when torquing the mounting screws...

(I hesitate to say 650 yards hunting without quote marks around "hunting", because 650 yards shooting is in many cases objectively more akin sniping animals than actually hunting them. This too is an endeavor better left to true long range gunnery specialists, of which you are obviously one, and not attempted by casual shooters, which many, if not most, hunting license holders are. But this is another debate...)

The common point to all of this being that highly specialized deeds are better left to highly trained, hence rare, specialists and generally do not apply to the immensely vast majority

 

[intj]

No arguing from me here, but as you state yourself intj, 1,000 yard bench rest shooting, or even 650 yard "hunting" are a bit irrelevant to DG rifles, as I doubt that any of it would be attempted with a .458 Lott

It looks like we agree that in the given context, that of DG rifles, glass bedding an aluminum block stock is irrelevant, and I will continue to say "can be detrimental" because few and far between are the folks who actually know how to bed a stock properly (you and your folks being obviously assumed to do it right), resulting in compensating for potential minute defects in the aluminum block and/or barreled action molding or machining, as opposed to creating high spots in the recoil lug area guaranteed to bend the action when torquing the mounting screws...

(I hesitate to say 650 yards hunting without quote marks around "hunting", because 650 yards shooting is in many cases objectively more akin sniping animals than actually hunting them. This too is an endeavor better left to true long range gunnery specialists, of which you are obviously one, and not attempted by casual shooters, which many, if not most, hunting license holders are. But this is another debate...)

The common point to all of this being that highly specialized deeds are better left to highly trained, hence rare, specialists and generally do not apply to the immensely vast majority

I guess my experiences, past and present lead me to a difference conclusion. I was bedding aluminum block stocks before I knew what I was doing and still getting good results. Nowadays that information is everywhere. Anyone who has a bare minimum of intelligence can bed an aluminum block stock--or any other rifle stock--without hurting anything. Most of the time the rifle will be improved.

I don't disagree that very little if any accurizing is needed for a pure DG rifle. Look at doubles. Even after I had mine re-regulated, I was happy to find a load that would shoot 1-2" at 50 yds.

However, if you bring a 375 or a 416 on a one rifle safari, you might want to take plains game at beyond DG distances.

While long range hunting isn't my cup of tea, it absolutely does qualify as hunting. 30 years ago I would have agreed that it took highly skilled marksmen and specialized equipment to shoot past even 300 yds. Today the equipment, knowledge, and skills are easily obtainable.

The debate I have with guys today is for them stop trying to get that last .1 or .2 MOA during load development, and instead spend that time shooting at various distances to to learn the rifle and load.

 

[Inline6]

I am one of those strangely believing people.

While these stocks--and I have several--shoot well enough as is, they are indeed improved with bedding. The bedding blocks often are not straight and when the action screws are tightened then stress is introduced into the stock. That stress opens up groups.

Also, when the recoil lug is bedded where there is clearance at the bottom and front but it is solid against the sides and back, it helps minimize movement between the barreled action and stock, which also improves accuracy.

A good way to tell if there is stress in the bedding is to mount a dial indicator base on the barrel and preload the tip on the stock. Then, with the rifle held vertically, tighten and loosen the guard screws. There should be .002" movement or less, and the indicator should go back to the same reading when the stock is tightened.

Now again, when we only care about 1 to 1.5 MOA DG rifles, then none of this matters much. But if you want reasonably consistent 1/2 MOA at distance, it does make a difference.

The hunting rifles we build, whether I chamber them or the guy I trained chambers them, and we do the load development; we routinely get sub 1/2 MOA at 650 yds. And it's not just the rifles we build, any rifle built by a decent rifle-builder can be tuned to that level. We have developed loads for many.

The rifles I have built for myself to shoot in 1000 yd BR competitions have shot several screamer groups (<2.5" 5-shot groups, and < 5" 10-shot groups) and have won several aggs.

The key is to cut a straight throat in a decent barrel, have an stress-free bedding job that controls movement, and an action that is reasonably true. Sometimes we can get that in a B&C aluminum block stock, often not.

You went into alot more detail than I was going to.

Agree with what you said. It is hard to hurt one by bedding if common sense is utilized.

Nice to have you on the forum.