First hand knowledge with the CEB Raptors

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If you have seen my other threads you know I'm working on a double rifle now, but I also have a 500 Jeff and a 416 rigby that I'm working on as well. I have CEB solids for all of them and I have worked a load for the double with the solids. As @zephyr said the Raptors and the solids are designed to be same POI and I assume will be fairly easy to regulate in the double since I already have the solids worked out I think. I have swift A Frames on hand for all of the rifles too, but honestly I like the CEB bullets and I like their customer service, I had a shipment get lost and Nikki went way above and beyond to help me.
Basically I'm just looking for some first hand knowledge on performance from guys that have killed some stuff with the Raptors. I have read a good bit about the solids and I am pretty convinced on those. I figured before I started burning powder chasing a load for my softs, and also in my Jeffrey, that I would see if anyone had any epic failures with these or anything of that sort.
 
Hi Sniprer, I have used 370grain CEB Safari Raptors in my 450-400 with extreme success. One shot on a cape buffalo, facing left quartering to me, on the point of the shoulder, about 45 yards. Down like a ton of bricks, Ran around behind and paid the insurance. When the buff was processed, the heart and lungs were thick red soup. I used the same load on an American Bison with exactly the same results. I also have CEB loads for my 275 Rigby and 375 H&H, but not on game yet. Very accurate bullets out of my rifles.
 
@glblanchard,

were those 370gr raptors used in a double rifle or a single shot? if a double, were you able to get them to regulate closely?
 
Hi Sniprer, I have used 370grain CEB Safari Raptors in my 450-400 with extreme success. One shot on a cape buffalo, facing left quartering to me, on the point of the shoulder, about 45 yards. Down like a ton of bricks, Ran around behind and paid the insurance. When the buff was processed, the heart and lungs were thick red soup. I used the same load on an American Bison with exactly the same results. I also have CEB loads for my 275 Rigby and 375 H&H, but not on game yet. Very accurate bullets out of my rifles.
That is definitely sounding promising. I may have to look into some of CEB's offerings in the 308 and 338 class for my long range rigs.
 
Cool post … was completely oblivious to CEB as an Co. until @TOBY458 dropped a “Rounds - Run Off” post for an upcoming Zim Hunt.

I like their website & their bullet designs - quit innovative, I’m equally interested to hear more CEB ‘boots on the ground’ performance. Thx!
 
I have shot Dangerous and Non Dangerous game with Safari Raptors and ER Raptors, shot a Wildebeest with my 450ne and a 450gr Raptor approx 100yrds The Bull dropped on it's Brisket at the shot I have never seen an animal bleed like this Kongoni caliber size ropes of blood pouring from both sides .... Have had the same response with Elk Pigs and Asiatic Buffalo... shooting through my double of various bot guns....
My "ONLY" concern with shooting a Raptor is shooting in a herd situation as every animal I have shot has been a through and through except one which was a head on shot on a Cape Buffalo and the bullet was found in the rumen
 
i used them some late last fall in 7x57. really like them. ill try to post some pics later, devastating.
Would love to see the results of that. I’m very interested in trying Raptors on North American game
 
@michael458 can certainly add meaningful experience to this inquiry.

I, too, have worked up loads for my rifles (from 257 Wby through 458 Lott) with various CEB brass bullets and found very similar POI between the matched solids and raptors in the larger calibers which the solids are available. Specifically, 375 H&H with 275gr/300gr, 416 Rem Mag 370gr/400gr, and 458 Lott 470gr/500gr and 420gr/450gr.

I'm planning to use some of the ER Raptors in 257 Wby and 300 Win Mag this fall on whitetail.
 
Before the purist attack me full force this bullet was used in a late doe season hunt. A group of 3 does have not had a fawn in 2 years. They are huge and delicious. I treated this one like a record book buck. It was quartering toward toward me. Usually i take a head or upper neck shot, this was a lung shot. Doe went about 10 feet
 
25 yard back up on a Bison. .50 cal, 450 gr safari raptor 2300 fps. Big hole with daylight is the entrance. Impressive reaction on impact. Shank hit the shoulder and ran along it out the front of chest. Hand for size comparison.
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25 yard back up on a Bison. .50 cal, 450 gr safari raptor 2300 fps. Big hole with daylight is the entrance. Impressive reaction on impact. Shank hit the shoulder and ran along it out the front of chest. Hand for size comparison. View attachment 482454View attachment 482455
Damn! That is impressive. That is a sizeable entrance wound though. So the shank exited through the small hole in the first.pic and the large hole in the ribcage is the entrance. That is some serious shock to the system.
 
I have used CEB Raptors and Solids on 7 cape buffalo using 375HH, 50-110 Win., 577 NE. They are superior bullets for accuracy and especially terminal performance. All all my cape buffalo were one shot kills, 5 of them were dead right there.
The original R&D on the bullets was done by Michael McCoury and associates of B&M Rifles and Cartridges (google the site to see some of their test results.) as a personal research project over a period of several years and hundreds of buffalo in Africa and Australia.

I have posted, numerous times, reports and published articles praising these bullets performance on cape buffalo, here on AH.
( I have no connections with CEB, I am just very impressed with the bullets and like to share my experience with fellow hunters.) Brian
 
I have used CEB Raptors and Solids on 7 cape buffalo using 375HH, 50-110 Win., 577 NE. They are superior bullets for accuracy and especially terminal performance. All all my cape buffalo were one shot kills, 5 of them were dead right there.
The original R&D on the bullets was done by Michael McCoury and associates of B&M Rifles and Cartridges (google the site to see some of their test results.) as a personal research project over a period of several years and hundreds of buffalo in Africa and Australia.

I have posted, numerous times, reports and published articles praising these bullets performance on cape buffalo, here on AH.
( I have no connections with CEB, I am just very impressed with the bullets and like to share my experience with fellow hunters.) Brian
Well I will say so far as a general consensus these things must be performers. There has not been one negative comment so far and, as we all know nobody passes up an opportunity to leave a negative review on something.
I like the idea of the way these bullets operate when the make contact. I am a fan of the berger type bullets for soft skin game and these seem to be kind of the same idea, but a dangerous game version of that. I like the idea of the petals detaching and radiating creating extra trauma while the main shank carries on through the target line.
I prepped brass all day today and I think I will start load development on these here in a few days. Already having a good load with the solids hopefully I will be able to dial these in pretty easily.
 
@michael458 can certainly add meaningful experience to this inquiry.

I, too, have worked up loads for my rifles (from 257 Wby through 458 Lott) with various CEB brass bullets and found very similar POI between the matched solids and raptors in the larger calibers which the solids are available. Specifically, 375 H&H with 275gr/300gr, 416 Rem Mag 370gr/400gr, and 458 Lott 470gr/500gr and 420gr/450gr.

I'm planning to use some of the ER Raptors in 257 Wby and 300 Win Mag this fall on whitetail.

Let's see, where to start.... I have shot literally a few hundred animals with Raptors, from Impala size to buffalo of course. I have been to the field with calibers from .366 to .500 caliber with Raptors.

All Raptors behave the same way in aqueous material, animal tissue. From .224 to .620 caliber. Once inside the material, or animal tissue, about 1.5 inches the BLADES shear from the main bullet in an explosive action. This is why you see such massive tissue destruction on the entrance. Once these BLADES shear, they travel along with the main center bullet, that is now acting like a full wadcutter solid, the nose of which is like a broken beer bottle. For roughly 4-5 inches of penetration the blades are working close to the center bullet, as penetration increases the blades are moving away from center, after 4-5 inches they are not slicing and dicing organs, blood vessels and all other tissue they come in contact with. Smaller calibers the blades are small of course, they do not radiate as far from center as the larger caliber blades do. Larger calibers the blades will actually exit broadside deer/impala size animals about 10 inches or so from center. They are BLADES, they are not petals. Petals push, these things slice and dice, you can see the edge of the blades are ragged sharp and penetrate far deeper than they have weight to do so............The main remaining bullet, I think they call it the Blunt Trauma something or other, is a broken beer bottle full caliber solid. It penetrates deep and straight, and will exit most of the time, end to end buffalo and larger caliber this bullet will travel 4+ feet.....Exits are Caliber Size, there is no big blown out exits, and in the beginning I heard a lot of BS about the bullet "Blowing UP" on entrance, and "Penciling through" on exit, not working........ Bull S**T........ these are the folks that observe outside only....... Look inside, and you will see everything in between destroyed, mush....... organs pulverized to mush, blood, you never in your life seen so much blood, this is the blades slicing and dicing in 6 different directions, everything they come in contact with. From .224 to .620 this is how they all work.

Raptors love velocity, the more the better, and there is NO UPPER END, nothing we can shoot from our shoulders anyway...... In the instance of BIG BORE Raptors, they CANNOT FAIL. The only thing a Raptor can do is at very low velocity impacts, they might not shear! Well, if they do not shear, they react like a full caliber solid, they still penetrate like crazy and smash anything they come in contact with. Low velocity shear points are 1600 fps or so on most, some are designed to shear at much lower velocity, such as the 250 Socom Raptor in .458 caliber down to 1200 fps.

Raptors DO NOT LIKE BRUSH...... they are not brush busters at all, so don't attempt to shoot through brush, if they come in contact with brush, then they may very well loose stability. If you have to shoot through brush, there is no better brush buster than a a CEB Solid..... I know, I shot trees, branches, limbs and everything else with the solids and they keep going....

In small bore I shoot .224 and .308. I don't hunt with either. I load 50 Raptors in 223. In ALL MY .308 caliber guns, 300 BLK, 7.62X40, 30/30, 308 Winchester and 300 Winchester I use one bullet, the 100 Flat Base Raptor...... it is Wicked. I have a lot of local friends, and over the years I have loaded nothing but the 100 FB Raptor for them and their deer hunting, hog hunting and even black bear....... Out of at least 150 deer/hogs and bear, the furthest any of these has gone is 5 steps.....99% of the shots, including black bear, were all DRT on the spot, end of story....... I have a few 338s, and the 176 ER Raptor is good, but I don't care much for the ER part, I would much rather have a Flat Base. In .358 caliber rifles, the 150 Brass and 160 Copper Raptors are just wicked, and will accomplish most any mission asked of a .358 Caliber cartridge. I have 358 STA and 358 RUM......the big RUM runs those at 3700+ fps......... Then I skip up to 9.3 caliber and use exclusively the 200 Flat Base Raptor, it is wicked, and will do anything you want to do with 9.3 caliber. I have shot 20+ animals with this, including several zebra and wildebeest and it is extremely effective......... Then I go to 416 and one of my favorites here is 225 Raptors for anything less than buffalo, excellent Alaskan and all Plains game type bullet. I have shot buffalo with them as well, but would move to the heavier Safari Raptors and Solids for that work. 458 Caliber, regardless of cartridge and capacity, you never need more than the 420 Raptors for buffalo, and 450 Solids for everything else......... My .500 caliber rifles are various and have several combinations of Raptors and Solids designed for them. MY 500s are true .500 caliber......

When an animal is taken with a Raptor, and anyone as witness for the first time, this is the comment you always hear, over and over, time and time again.... Sam and I laugh at it, because its always the same "I have never seen anything like that".......... LOL

Questions?
 
25 yard back up on a Bison. .50 cal, 450 gr safari raptor 2300 fps. Big hole with daylight is the entrance. Impressive reaction on impact. Shank hit the shoulder and ran along it out the front of chest. Hand for size comparison. View attachment 482454View attachment 482455


Excellent report and visuals @John J ....... That explains everything I stated above and very typical. The .500 caliber Raptors at velocity are just horrendous at the damage they can do. The very first Raptor I put in a buffalo was 500 MDM and 450 Raptor at 2450 fps. Straight through the middle, gut shot....... I was still learning to wear my glasses, just picked them up before going hunting. I did not have them on, left in Camp! 50 yards, I thought I was dead on, buffalo broadside but under a tree, heavy shade. What I thought I saw was not reality........ OH CRAP, here goes a lost day!

We started tracking....... and about 75 yards the bull was walking very slow, so slow, so sick, I caught up to him, angled around to his left side before he even bothered to try and run. I was not 10 steps away when he bucked and tried to run and I busted him with another Raptor raking from left to right shoulder, exiting and he flops down in a heap at the shot.

Now who in the hell ever heard of a gut shot buffalo being followed up in 75 yards, and less than a few minutes and not being a problem? Not me! The Gut Shot .500 caliber Raptor had done a hell of a number on him, he was extremely sick and just could not get going. I was amazed, Hell I still am..........
 
I noticed a mistake in my above post that I must correct. (Oops, Memory laps.)
I have never shot a buffalo with CEB bullets in my 577NE. I always used Peregrine Bushmaster bullets or hard cast bullets in my 577NE. Sorry for the mistake. Brian
 

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