Howdah Pistol Ammuntion

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Hello all,

If anyone is interested in what Howdah pistol ammunition looked like, then here is some:


Best wishes,

Scrummy
 

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I've never had the opportunity to see it before. Thank you for sharing! Pretty cool!
 
Welcome. I didn't know what it looked like either but pretty cool.

Seems a relatively short case to bullet to me....

Scrummy
 
Someone at Holt's is confused. The .476 (Eley or Enfield)) was one of the big bore rounds designed for the large British revolvers that were created at the end of the 19th century. The most famous was the .455. But the .476 was made a standard issue cartridge in the British Army in the early 1880's. The .455 had replaced it by 1890. I suppose the big revolvers may have been carried on Tiger hunts, but their primary role was to arm British officers fighting the Mahdi or Zulu. Every true “Howdah” handgun I have handled (own a couple) were large bore muzzle loaders. This one is of Belgian manufacture and marked with a UK merchant. Note the loop on the butt. It (or more often a pair) would have been hung by a cord in the large whicker howdah for quick access.

Howdah Pistol


George V hunting from such a howdah.
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Someone at Holt's is confused. The .476 (Eley or Enfield)) was one of the big bore rounds designed for the large British revolvers that were created at the end of the 19th century. The most famous was the .455. But the .476 was made a standard issue cartridge in the British Army in the early 1880's. The .455 had replaced it by 1890. I suppose the big revolvers may have been carried on Tiger hunts, but their primary role was to arm British officers fighting the Mahdi or Zulu. Every true “Howdah” handgun I have handled (own a couple) were large bore muzzle loaders. This one is of Belgian manufacture and marked with a UK merchant. Note the loop on the butt. It (or more often a pair) would have been hung by a cord in the large whicker howdah for quick access.

Howdah Pistol


George V hunting from such a howdah.
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The double-barrelled Lancaster pistol was also chambered for the .476, .450 Adams, .455, and a few other calibres. It more or less served the same function as a typical howdah pistol and was known to be used as one (as were the Webley, Adams, Pryse, etc. revolvers), but certainly wasn't the massive rifle-calibre weapon one thinks of. I expect that's where the possible confusion came from, since those rounds are definitely .476 pistol/revolver rounds.
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Not sure those are special Howdha rounds either if marked Snider ?

I have a couple of .577 Boxer/Webley chambered revolvers & would love a .577 to 12bore real Howdha myself !
 
@Red Leg is right. The pictured rounds were intended for the British Enfield MK-II service revolvers at that time (1880s). They were intended for stopping hostile tribesmen in British colonies.

Here is a real breech loading Howdah pistol. Also a Belgium made piece. Made for a retailer by the name of “J.S. Courtney“ in London.
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Chambered in .577 Snider.
 
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Someone at Holt's is confused. The .476 (Eley or Enfield)) was one of the big bore rounds designed for the large British revolvers that were created at the end of the 19th century. The most famous was the .455. But the .476 was made a standard issue cartridge in the British Army in the early 1880's. The .455 had replaced it by 1890. I suppose the big revolvers may have been carried on Tiger hunts, but their primary role was to arm British officers fighting the Mahdi or Zulu. Every true “Howdah” handgun I have handled (own a couple) were large bore muzzle loaders. This one is of Belgian manufacture and marked with a UK merchant. Note the loop on the butt. It (or more often a pair) would have been hung by a cord in the large whicker howdah for quick access.
Most of the Howdahs i have known off were in the .577,these were Doubles,some Brit Officers may have carried .455s Revolvers while Tiger Hunting on Elephants but leaving aside Self Confidence,cant see any practicality off the same.A lot of people are around thanks to these Pistols,and they worked.A time when Bullet failure, Hangfire,Misfire,etc,etc were common,these were the last line of Self preservation against a Cat specially a Pissed off one with 4" Claws ,2-3" Canines and an attitude to match.
These Tigers were some of the Largest ones and had little or no fear of Humans,rather for them Humans were a part of the Food Chain.
 
Most of the Howdahs i have known off were in the .577,these were Doubles,some Brit Officers may have carried .455s Revolvers while Tiger Hunting on Elephants but leaving aside Self Confidence,cant see any practicality off the same.A lot of people are around thanks to these Pistols,and they worked.A time when Bullet failure, Hangfire,Misfire,etc,etc were common,these were the last line of Self preservation against a Cat specially a Pissed off one with 4" Claws ,2-3" Canines and an attitude to match.
These Tigers were some of the Largest ones and had little or no fear of Humans,rather for them Humans were a part of the Food Chain.
Exactly.
 
The double-barrelled Lancaster pistol was also chambered for the .476, .450 Adams, .455, and a few other calibres. It more or less served the same function as a typical howdah pistol and was known to be used as one (as were the Webley, Adams, Pryse, etc. revolvers), but certainly wasn't the massive rifle-calibre weapon one thinks of. I expect that's where the possible confusion came from, since those rounds are definitely .476 pistol/revolver rounds.
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Lovely handgun, but these were designed to kill men, not tigers. That said, it is entirely possible that a British officer carried his commercially purchased personal sidearm on a tiger hunt. But this is not considered a "Howdah" handgun. And Holt's ammunition listing is still dead wrong.
 
@Hunter-Habib ....that is a beautiful pistol. It still has some vivid case coloring. Is it yours? Do you have any more info on it's history? Perhaps the late Wilbur Smith took inspiration from the name of the retailer.......FWB
 
Lovely handgun, but these were designed to kill men, not tigers. That said, it is entirely possible that a British officer carried his commercially purchased personal sidearm on a tiger hunt. But this is not considered a "Howdah" handgun. And Holt's ammunition listing is still dead wrong.
Apparently several sportsmen spoke favorably of them and one Maharajah or other even had one commissioned as a four-barreled rifle. But I agree, they were designed as a step up over the military percussion revolvers of the time and using them as pistols from a howdah or for a coup de grace or other close-quarters animal deterrent doesn't make them "Howdah Pistols" in the sense of the massive rifle-round-firing guns or their muzzleloading brothers.

And speaking of howdah pistols and Holt's, looks like they'll have a pinfire one up for auction in November: https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.c...alelot=A1122++++810+&refno=++186973&saletype=
 

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@Hunter-Habib ....that is a beautiful pistol. It still has some vivid case coloring. Is it yours? Do you have any more info on it's history? Perhaps the late Wilbur Smith took inspiration from the name of the retailer.......FWB
Unfortunately not, Bill. As you can see, the pistol still has the price tag on it.

But I really wish I had something like this when I went after my three man eaters. When I went after my man eaters, I always had my .32 ACP Webley Model 1908 on my person. But It was more of a last ditch effort at self defense than anything else (and I’m damned lucky that I never had occasion to be forced to attempt to shoot a tiger with it).
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These striped bastards are very difficult to kill. The first one survived seven hours after getting shot. The second one survived for four hours and the final one survived for three hours. For the first two, I used a Pakistani made 12 gauge (2 3/4”) fully choked single barrel shotgun (loaded with Eley Alphamax L.G shells). For the final one, I used my 7x57mm Mauser Churchill Gunmakers Model Deluxe (loaded with Winchester Super x 175Gr soft points).
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Apparently several sportsmen spoke favorably of them and one Maharajah or other even had one commissioned as a four-barreled rifle. But I agree, they were designed as a step up over the military percussion revolvers of the time and using them as pistols from a howdah or for a coup de grace or other close-quarters animal deterrent doesn't make them "Howdah Pistols" in the sense of the massive rifle-round-firing guns or their muzzleloading brothers.

And speaking of howdah pistols and Holt's, looks like they'll have a pinfire one up for auction in November: https://auctions.holtsauctioneers.c...alelot=A1122++++810+&refno=++186973&saletype=
We aren't communicating. ;) The double Lancaster was a fine handgun. It was a step up from its percussion or pinfire predecessors. But a Webley or Adams revolver firing the same ammunition was the step up. And neither was as effective at stopping a tiger boarding attempt than a double barrel gauge or .58+ cal double handgun. Though I would pray that I never had to depend on the latter either. And Holts is still clueless.
 

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