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The miracle of miracles, never known, remains, for ever and ever, the resurrection from the dead of our Lord Jesus Christ. This Miracle is out of nature, specific to earthly life. “He, one, the son of God, has risen from the dead, with death to death by trembling.”

While the whole human being and the other beings on Earth, alongside whom we cohabit, as they have a beginning, they all have an end. Individuals are born, grow, give birth to the next generation, aging and die.It’s just that, for each, the end is different.

Some have a longer life, others shorter, followed by a quick or slow, violent or natural ending. So, in the chain of life, it is natural and justifiable for an individual to disappear either at the end of his life or as a prey to another species, speaking of hunting, which is at a higher level in this chain. ” In other words, there is nothing beyond the nature of life on earth.

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What is so true is that not all hunting comes to an end because of the predators. The fact, in itself, ensures species continuity and hunting-game interdependence. But I heard voices saying that hunting is a sin. Because the hunter did not give life to the creatures to take them, but God. I do not say NO, I accept and such a view.

But let’s see what the Bible says about hunting: “God blessed Noah and his sons, and said: “Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth. Fear and fear of you be over all the living creatures of the earth, over the birds of the sky, over all the creatures that smote upon the earth, and over all the fish of the sea. They are given to you. Everything that moves and has life will be your food. As I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything.” (Genesis 9: 1-3)
So by His commandments God blesses, not condemn hunting.

The Bible also tells that Esau “has become a skilful hunter, a man who spends more time in the field.” (Genesis 25:27). When Isaac, his father, wanted to bless Esau, he gave him the following assignment: “Bring me venison and make me a meal to eat, and I will bless you before the Lord, before my death.” (Genesis 27: 7)

Hunting, just like religion, is incomplete without death. It is indeed a religion, older, deeper and more visceral than Judaism or Christianity, or even Islam, as old as at least the pleistocene mural paintings in Dordogne or Altamira. “It has his own prayers, blessings combined with prayers of forgiveness every time the hunted animal dies; has its own dark sacraments, rituals and symbols, its own distinct art.” (Robert Jones)

Thanks to the hunt the human species survived and thanks to the hunters, the food chain has been maintained from the beginning until now. Otherwise, God, through His commandments, would have told the whole world that hunting is a sin.

Naturally, hunting is no longer just a means of obtaining food for Homo Sapiens. Today, hunting is the job that brings with it unpredictable emotional satisfaction. The real hunter of our days, merged with Nature, is one with his hunting and his living environment. The real hunter of our days is experiencing moments of “pride and remorse” when he reaches his target. Pride, for the proof of of learning the hunting art, and remorse, for the animal he shortened his days. Even though he is aware that God has so commanded that man be the greatest of all creatures, the true hunter is aware that “all creatures… are given into possession” of man, and therefore how he will possess, so will have. The hunt must not be a success. On the contrary, if the hunter’s efforts were always successful, inevitably, successfully, this effort would not be called hunting, but something else… The beauty of hunting is that hunting is always problematic… Without doubt, man stretches the animal’s limitations (ecological distance) deliberately and at will. He could easily annihilate, quickly and easily, most animal species, or at least those in whose hunt he finds pleasure… “There is, therefore, in hunting as a sport, a supreme renunciation of man to the supremacy of his humanity ” (Jose Ortega y Gasset)

It is known that hunting is not just the action of acquisition of game. It gives the man “flooded” by civilization the opportunity to return to nature, to become familiar with the wild environment, to study and understand the ecology and ethology of hunting, to be one with it. The hunt also gives man the opportunity to regain his place and balance in Nature, which he needs so much, especially nowadays.

That is why I often ask myself and ask you, what other occupation, rather than hunting, develops the attention, the spirit of observation, the perseverance, the courage and the determination? Which? She, hunting, cherishes and cements, to the greatest extent, the character of man. Starting from this truth, I would like to know: a civilized contemporary society needs people of these qualities, or what?

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"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." Genesis 1:26 KJV (and there are other references that give us dominion over everything)

God has given us dominion over all the animals, but to me that also comes with great responsibility and effective stewardship. I can't think of any pursuit that brings us closer to our heritage and understanding of nature than hunting. If hunting is done "right" it is good and we meet the criteria of proper stewardship.

In addition, this can go on and talk about feed lot animals and the slaughter houses and how that compares with hunting, but I'll leave that for some later date.
 
It is known that hunting is not just the action of acquisition of game. It gives the man “flooded” by civilization the opportunity to return to nature, to become familiar with the wild environment, to study and understand the ecology and ethology of hunting, to be one with it. The hunt also gives man the opportunity to regain his place and balance in Nature, which he needs so much, especially nowadays.

That is why I often ask myself and ask you, what other occupation, rather than hunting, develops the attention, the spirit of observation, the perseverance, the courage and the determination? Which? She, hunting, cherishes and cements, to the greatest extent, the character of man. Starting from this truth, I would like to know: a civilized contemporary society needs people of these qualities, or what?

George,

Can you clarify how these questions tie into religion? Please don't think I am trying to argue with you, I am not. I just want to understand how you feel hunting is tied to religion (besides the scriptures that were quoted).

Cheers
 
That is why I often ask myself and ask you, what other occupation, rather than hunting, develops the attention, the spirit of observation, the perseverance, the courage and the determination? Which? She, hunting, cherishes and cements, to the greatest extent, the character of man. Starting from this truth, I would like to know: a civilized contemporary society needs people of these qualities, or what?

Fishing, flying, SCUBA diving, farming to name a few.
 
If you want an all encompassing sport try technical climbing. Rock , ice, or alpine. And yes you will find yourself praying at times even if you don't believe in some all mighty power.
 
George,

Can you clarify how these questions tie into religion? Please don't think I am trying to argue with you, I am not. I just want to understand how you feel hunting is tied to religion (besides the scriptures that were quoted).

Cheers

Dear Joe,

In Romania the people of the church will always condemn the hunting and the hunters. They say hunting is a sin.

I don't feel the hunting is tied to religion, all I wanted to say is hunting and religion do not exclude each other.
 
Dear Joe,

In Romania the people of the church will always condemn the hunting and the hunters. They say hunting is a sin.

I don't feel the hunting is tied to religion, all I wanted to say is hunting and religion do not exclude each other.

I see. Then we were already in agreement. I wasn't aware of that attitude in Romania so I am glad you are taking up this discussion to try and keep the two issues separate. (y)
 
This is what is written in my Bible

Man was created to live in the garden of Eden with animals in peace and all was ordered to eat plants, fruits and seeds as food (vegetarians?).
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you (people) every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

After the first sin an animal was killed (by GOD? ,the bible doesn’t state who killed the animal) and blood flowed onto the earth, The animal was killed to make clothes for Adam and Eve. From hereon one can conclude that animals was killed by people and other animals as food and for other usage such as the skins an sinews.
Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

GOD ordered people to kill animals to bring sacrifices to GOD.
Lev 4:24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt offering before the LORD:

GOD gave fishes for people to eat.
Lev 11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

GOD gave animals for people to eat.
Deu 14:4 These are the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat,
Deu 14:5 The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois.
Deu 14:6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, and cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.

GOD gave birds for people to eat.
Deu 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.

GOD gave uncommon/unclean animals (pigs, squid etc) for people to eat in the New Testament.
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

Animals was part of man from creations time and to kill an animal is normal daily routine. Be it by hunting with a quick clean kill or by cutting the throat till it bleed out. Perhaps the only sin of hunting is the unfair chase (bakkie hunter...LOL) of an animal.
 
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Dear Joe,

In Romania the people of the church will always condemn the hunting and the hunters. They say hunting is a sin.

I don't feel the hunting is tied to religion, all I wanted to say is hunting and religion do not exclude each other.

Exactly the point!
Thanks for posting this!
Philip
 
I ran into the complete hysterics of misinformed people during my time with Trophy the film. I noted the fact that we have God given dominion over the animals. The liberals lost their minds. I get the most comments on my citing the Bible as part of what makes hunting special to me.
This is a very good post and thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Philip
 
While I feel that hunting is indeed an ancient and soulful, even spiritual, activity, to try to defend it with the Bible in Australia would be very embarrassing. I think hunting’s best defence is in science - sound, proven land management best practice. While I can’t see eye-to-eye with many American hunters on the relevance or otherwise of the Bible on hunting, I certainly respect their culture, background and viewpoints - and especially what they do for conservation.
 
Everything thing alive on this Earth is alive because something died.
 
What I can't understand is how some people can reason that it is wrong (from a biblical standpoint) to hunt and kill a wild animal yet it is o.k. to kill a domesticated animal. I don't think the bible makes any distinction between the two. In my way of thinking if one condemns hunting with some biblical argument you would also have to condemn all killing of animals. That would include being a vegetarian as well as not using many animal products, that is if a person wanted to avoid doing wrong in this way.
 

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