Just won a 10 day trip Need Advice

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Just this past weekend I won a 10 day 2 animal safari with Hercules Safaris. I am beyond excited. This was something I was planning on doing in the next 5 years but it looks likes my plans are moving forward faster than I expected. This is my first post on here but I have been reading for quite sometime. Now that the dream is starting to become reality I have so many questions and so much to learn quickly. I am still waiting on the information they are sending regarding dates and arrangements. I am hoping to get some feedback from you guys/gals on some of my first questions. Thank you for any help or suggestions.

Questions
1. Flight arrangements. Is it beneficial using a travel agent? If so who do you recommend?
2. 2 animals are included. What is a good number of animals to add to make for a good trip and make the outfitter happy? (money wise)
3. Reviews on Hercules Safaris. Even though I have won this trip I would like to know what to expect with this company from actual clients.

These are just a few questions that have popped into my head. I am sure I will have plenty more. Please bare with me. If there is anything anyone would care to add or suggest please do. I am a dry sponge at this point!

Thank you, Jim
 
Personally on a trip that I won with just 2 animals on the list I would just go and shoot those two animals and lounge around the other days. Remember a 10 day hunt is only a 8 day hunt, the arrival and departure days are figured into that 10 days.

As for other animals, do what your budget allows. Just glancing at his price list the other animals look to be priced fairly high but I didn't compare them to any other outfitter. If you plan on bringing animals home figure the cost on mounts done in country vs bringing home dip and pack and having them done here in the US. For my last hunt it was about the same total cost but I had my animals 15-24 months sooner.

Unless you are a seasoned international traveler use a travel agent. I'll recommend Travel Express, a sponsor on the site. Not knowing where they are located at you may have to have a in country flight and this is where a travel agent will save you problems. Also find out if their services include assistance with your SAPS's 520 form for importing a firearm into South Africa if you plan on taking your own. If you have a in country flight I suggest using Henry at Rifle Permits with the VIP service.
 
On donated hunts remember that the outfitter gets absolutely nothing from your donation. The only way they will make any money is for you to add an observer if not included and by you shooting extra animals. My one hunt I won at auction I added 4 additional animals at a total of around $5,000, my outfitter seemed good with that but did vent a little about someone that won a donated hunt for a sable. The guy shot the sable on the first day and then proceeded to get drunk for the rest of the safari.
 
JImP_Thank you for the advice and help. I will definitely check with Travel Express. As far as guns I was thinking of using theirs to save on the hassle of traveling with guns. What is your thoughts on this?

IvW_I didnt pay anything. It was a drawing at the NWTF show this past weekend.
 
Just this past weekend I won a 10 day 2 animal safari with Hercules Safaris. I am beyond excited. This was something I was planning on doing in the next 5 years but it looks likes my plans are moving forward faster than I expected. This is my first post on here but I have been reading for quite sometime. Now that the dream is starting to become reality I have so many questions and so much to learn quickly. I am still waiting on the information they are sending regarding dates and arrangements. I am hoping to get some feedback from you guys/gals on some of my first questions. Thank you for any help or suggestions.

Questions
1. Flight arrangements. Is it beneficial using a travel agent? If so who do you recommend?
2. 2 animals are included. What is a good number of animals to add to make for a good trip and make the outfitter happy? (money wise)
3. Reviews on Hercules Safaris. Even though I have won this trip I would like to know what to expect with this company from actual clients.

These are just a few questions that have popped into my head. I am sure I will have plenty more. Please bare with me. If there is anything anyone would care to add or suggest please do. I am a dry sponge at this point!

Thank you, Jim
:S Welcome: to AH

1. If you need assistance with travel arrangements @TRAVEL EXPRESS is extremely good. Also, Henry @riflepermits.com for rifle import if you are taking one....

2. Get a trophy price list from your outfitter (it's on their website) , set a budget, and then discuss available species with them

3. I have not heard of them

You have come to right place. Do your research and don't hesitate to ask questions. We all had a first trip....

Have fun!!
 
First welcome to AH. Second congratulations on winning the hunt.

First set a budget. You will definitely want to hunt more than two animals if it is in South Africa and probably on a farm. Simply because you will probably see lots of animals and different species. Second because the outfitter wants to make money. He has a business to run. And you could probably bag the animals on day one and two.

Curious what to two animals are.
Further I would ask how big the area is and what animals are natural from in that area. Those species would be the first I would like to hunt.

Also if budget is tight ask for some species that need culling.

This in in short. But search in previous threads and you see dozens of people with the same question and a boatload of good advice.

Enjoy the hunt and the forum.
 
JImP_Thank you for the advice and help. I will definitely check with Travel Express. As far as guns I was thinking of using theirs to save on the hassle of traveling with guns. What is your thoughts on this?

IvW_I didnt pay anything. It was a drawing at the NWTF show this past weekend.

Taking your own rifle is just something that I think that you need to do. The memories are worth it.

On my second hunt I was thinking of leaving mine at home and renting one, but by the time that I added up the cost of renting and what it cost me for the assistance for the SAP's form I decided to take my own.

It really isn't bad taking your own rifle. Just hoops that you need to jump through as far as getting your 4457, and the permit process. In country airlines may charge a extra fee if you are using them. But I still think that the memories of using your own rifle and thinking about it when you look at the mount in your home are worth it.
 
Just this past weekend I won a 10 day 2 animal safari with Hercules Safaris. I am beyond excited. This was something I was planning on doing in the next 5 years but it looks likes my plans are moving forward faster than I expected. This is my first post on here but I have been reading for quite sometime. Now that the dream is starting to become reality I have so many questions and so much to learn quickly. I am still waiting on the information they are sending regarding dates and arrangements. I am hoping to get some feedback from you guys/gals on some of my first questions. Thank you for any help or suggestions.

Questions
1. Flight arrangements. Is it beneficial using a travel agent? If so who do you recommend?
2. 2 animals are included. What is a good number of animals to add to make for a good trip and make the outfitter happy? (money wise)
3. Reviews on Hercules Safaris. Even though I have won this trip I would like to know what to expect with this company from actual clients.

These are just a few questions that have popped into my head. I am sure I will have plenty more. Please bare with me. If there is anything anyone would care to add or suggest please do. I am a dry sponge at this point!

Thank you, Jim

I would strongly recommend you look at their princes closely and then compare to others. 10 days is a lot of hunting in SA, you are either going to shoot a bunch of other animals or take a bunch of pictures over 10 days. My last true PG hunting in SA was probably 12 animals in 8 days and it could have been 40+.
 
These things are usually loss leader deals. Many times done in lieu of expensive ad investment. Approach with eyes wide open. The outfitter will try about as hard as he feels the value is for the loss leader. Conversely he also doesn’t want negative reviews either and may have positive “canned” “glowing” reviews holding in reserve… just in case.
;)
 
No problem. Limpopo has some interesting species to hunt. I would ad a nyala, a bushbuck , if on quota a red duiker. Man, I get excited myself just thinking about the possibilities. Enjoy this part, the preparation that is also a part of the hunt.
 
Just this past weekend I won a 10 day 2 animal safari with Hercules Safaris. I am beyond excited. This was something I was planning on doing in the next 5 years but it looks likes my plans are moving forward faster than I expected. This is my first post on here but I have been reading for quite sometime. Now that the dream is starting to become reality I have so many questions and so much to learn quickly. I am still waiting on the information they are sending regarding dates and arrangements. I am hoping to get some feedback from you guys/gals on some of my first questions. Thank you for any help or suggestions.

Questions
1. Flight arrangements. Is it beneficial using a travel agent? If so who do you recommend?
2. 2 animals are included. What is a good number of animals to add to make for a good trip and make the outfitter happy? (money wise)
3. Reviews on Hercules Safaris. Even though I have won this trip I would like to know what to expect with this company from actual clients.

These are just a few questions that have popped into my head. I am sure I will have plenty more. Please bare with me. If there is anything anyone would care to add or suggest please do. I am a dry sponge at this point!

Thank you, Jim
Welcome! Not sure of exact search parameters but there has been a lot of discussion around auction or donated hunts.

I will give you a quick example of what to look out for. Not saying it is right to shoot only the included animals but did it say in the fine print you need to add critters?

Example. I had just done my first 3 trips to Africa. One PG to RSA. An elephant and Buffalo on Zimbabwe. And a Buffalo, lion, PG hunt near Kruger in RSA. Shot 2 kudu, one on the first hunt in the East Cape and one on the 3rd hunt. Proces were $1200 to $1500.
Met a guy at a local Man Mall in the reloading section. He was very excited as he was in the same shoes as you. He wanted to add a kudu and on the price list it was $4500. He had contacted the Outfitter who offered to add the kudu for $3500 to which the "winner" was elated. Until I burst his balloon and gave him the address to this web site and showed him kudu priced from $1000 to $2500 on the very high end.

1. Travel Express will do great for you.

2. You should find a good compromise and negotiate. However looking at his web site... NO WAY would i send him a dime for a deposit or pay any trophy fees up front. It clearly states he will NOT refund any fees for animals not taken. This alone would have me and many others on AH scrolling past him and looking at other outfits.

My suggestion would be to negotiate a percentage discount off his trophy fee price list. And also ask if he has certain animals he cannot discount or that might prevent him from giving you a better discount on other's. And likewise does he have animals he can discount much heavier.

Then go on the hunt for the two included animals and be well armed with the knowledge of what others will cost you. Take opportunities as you find them. This is assuming he will be reasonable. If he is not you are justified in shooting the included animals only.

A typical good plauns game hunting area in South Africa will afford you the opportunity to take 1 to 2 animals per day. 1.5 is a good planning number. If Buffalo plan about 5 days but realize it may be done in a morning.

The 10 day safari needs clarification. Another response was that 10 days equal 8 hunting or assuming the arrival and departure days are included in the 10. Perhaps that was that members experience but it is not mine.. Maybe if a new operation taking advantage of American and Canadian ideas or what is standard in North America.

The traditional African hunt would include a full 10 days hunting. With an arrival day prior included as well as departure after the hunt. So 11 nights. If you for example arrive late day on a flight... expect to overnight at a hotel connected to the Airport or a guest house such as Afton House. You should be picked up by your Outfitter early morning like right after breakfast. Or put on a domestic flight by Afton (or Africa Sky) or make your own way if at the hotel.

For example if takes 4 hours to get to camp. Arriving mid day they should have a light lunch prepared. Move your bags to your room. Give you 30 minutes to an hour and then take you to check sight in on your rifles. Even more important if using a camp gun. No guarantee it is accurate so check it and familiarize yourself with it. Then if enough time they should take you hunting! This is historically day 0. Likewise when you leave. If your flight departs late in the day you may have time to go out one last morning. This would be day 11.

At this point if it hasn't been identified, take what you get. Might be a true African 8 day hunt. But you need to know to plan.

Practice shooting off sticks before you go!!! Be very familiar with this so it is almost second nature.
3. Never heard of the outfit before. Sounds like a newer operation. Every young White South African heir to the family farm wants to get a rifle and pickup truck and be an Outfitter;) Not saying that is the case but it's how I read his intro on his web site.

If you do end up staying at Afron or even if you don't... they have some interesting options on shipping and taxidermy. However my best advice is don't do taxidermy unless you get something truly memorable or Roland Ward record book class. Nice photos will be way cheaper and easier to transport as well as find room for.
 
All of the advice so far? Spot on. Follow it.

1. Yes. My own 2 trips were Travel Express and Rifle Permits. Obviously you don't need the rifle service if you rent a camp rifle. That's not an option for me: I hunt my own rifles. YMMV

2. I shot those 2 species on my first trip. That sounds like a lot of days for 2 animals. I filled my 5 animal package in 3 days on my first trip. If cost is a factor (and I have not looked at their website), blesbok, warthog, and springbok are often low cost options. If you have the money, absolutely add a kudu. Also, a second impala might be an option.

3. Never heard of them. They may be great. But I have read, seemingly (anecdotal) of far more donated trips gone wrong on this site than successful ones. It always seems like a big part of it is not asking the right questions ahead of time. It would behoove you to search this site for such hunt reports to consider what questions you should be asking, starting now.

Congrats! Best of wishes.
 
My advice is worth what you pay for it.
Use Travel Express
Take your own rifle
Use the VIP service to get through customs.
Use Henry or Gilbert for gun permits
Stay at Africa Sky
Take at least $1000 in cash for tips and maybe twice that if you can afford it.
Don't count the cost during the hunt. Nothing ruins the hunt like a couple slow days where you add up the total price. Enjoy the experience.
Plan to burn through your budget in the first couple days. You may never make it back.
Take what the bush gives you. Maybe you don't want a Sable but if see a great one, take it
Spend your money on animals and worry about the cost taxidermy when you get back.
 
All of the advice so far? Spot on. Follow it.

1. Yes. My own 2 trips were Travel Express and Rifle Permits. Obviously you don't need the rifle service if you rent a camp rifle. That's not an option for me: I hunt my own rifles. YMMV

2. I shot those 2 species on my first trip. That sounds like a lot of days for 2 animals. I filled my 5 animal package in 3 days on my first trip. If cost is a factor (and I have not looked at their website), blesbok, warthog, and springbok are often low cost options. If you have the money, absolutely add a kudu. Also, a second impala might be an option.

3. Never heard of them. They may be great. But I have read, seemingly (anecdotal) of far more donated trips gone wrong on this site than successful ones. It always seems like a big part of it is not asking the right questions ahead of time. It would behoove you to search this site for such hunt reports to consider what questions you should be asking, starting now.

Congrats! Best of wishes.

You should look at the prices list from that outfit. 650-950 for warthog. 4750 for a kudu over 52" and wildebeest is $1650.
 

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