Mountain vs. Hartmann zebra

[Jamie D Van Roekel]

How I understand it you can export Hartmann zebra from SA but not Mountain zebra?

1. Is this correct?

2. What is the difference visually? Photos would be helpful if you have some.

A friend and I are going to SA this summer. He would like to shoot the zebra with the dewlap.

I feel like I have this organized with my outfitter, but my friend came back from Nashville with contradictory information. So just trying to get some clarity to my info.

Thanks for your assistance.

 

[Firebird]

In South Africa there are

1. Cape mountain zebra which are hunted in mtn country and are not importable in the USA.
2. Burchells zebra which are importable, common and fun to hunt.

In Namibia there are

1. Hartmanns zebra often called Hartmanns mtn zebra. They have a dewlap/neck lump and lack shadow stripes. They are best hunted in the mtns but come to the flats to eat And water.
2. Burchells exist as well in Namibia. There are differences in stripes going down legs and around belly’s and some brown in the muzzle but basically Burchells have shadow stripes. Hartmans do not.

 

[Firebird]

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

In South Africa there are

1. Cape mountain zebra which are hunted in mtn country and are not importable in the USA.
2. Burchells zebra which are importable, common and fun to hunt.

In Namibia there are

1. Hartmanns zebra often called Hartmanns mtn zebra. They have a dewlap/neck lump and lack shadow stripes. They are best hunted in the mtns but come to the flats to eat And water.
2. Burchells exist as well in Namibia. There are differences in stripes going down legs and around belly’s and some brown in the muzzle but basically Burchells have shadow stripes. Hartmans do not.

You are correct, but you also get the Mountain Zebra in Limpopo, which is the same as the Hartmann's Zebra in Namibia and these are importable into the USA. The Hartmann's Mountain Zebra and the Cape Mountain Zebra are not the same.

 

[Firebird]

So-here is MY opinion. Go hunt Hartmanns mountain zebra properly in Namibia-perhaps in the Orongo mountains. Make sure your taxidermist is aware that is what you took so he mounts it correctly with the neck anatomy. Also double check, I think they require a cites permit. But that is a no brainer, super easy.

Then go to South Africa and hunt your Burchells. Still a fun hunt even though they are very common. Mount it next to your Hartmanns, and keep the back skins of both for throw pillow or to put on the backside of pedestal mounts.
Since Marius took the time to respond to your inquiry, go to the east cape of South Africa and hunt with KMG and have a great time. While you are there, that is a great place to take a cape mountain zebra, which you can’t bring to the USA so take lots of pictures and enjoy!
No matter where you choose be sure to ask your chosen PH what else you can hunt while you are in that country, there are lots of wonderful options.

 

[375Fox]

You are correct, but you also get the Mountain Zebra in Limpopo, which is the same as the Hartmann's Zebra in Namibia and these are importable into the USA. The Hartmann's Mountain Zebra and the Cape Mountain Zebra are not the same.

I’ve been trying to find information on this since I read your post but can’t find it. I’d never heard of mountain zebra in Limpopo previously. Are the mountain zebra in Limpopo just Hartman zebra that have been transplanted there? or are they a native species?

 

[Red Leg]

I’ve been trying to find information on this since I read your post but can’t find it. I’d never heard of mountain zebra in Limpopo previously. Are the mountain zebra in Limpopo just Hartman zebra that have been transplanted there? or are they a native species?

Like several non-native animals in the Limpopo, the Hartman Zebra is stocked. The Hartman is native to Namibia where it is also called the mountain zebra. Hunting one in the mountains of central Namibia is great experience.

 

[Deepfork]

I was told the Hartman's in SA are all transplants. We did not see any Hartman's in Limpopo, I did hunt them on a preserve in Free State..

 

[dchum]

This Hartmans zebra stallion offered the most challenging stalk of the trip.
Khomas Highlands in the western part of the region. Sometimes we were over 6k feet in elevation

Hiking up and peaking over ridges like aoudad sheep hunting in far west Texas

 

[Doubleplay]

Like several non-native animals in the Limpopo, the Hartman Zebra is stocked. The Hartman is native to Namibia where it is also called the mountain zebra. Hunting one in the mountains of central Namibia is great experience.

Yes, if you kill any Hartman zebra in Limpopo it'll be stocked and probably recently and not free breeding.
What I heard from my PH friends Hartman and Burchell does not go well together behind the HF.
I don't remember which one but one is more aggressive and eventually takes over.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Red Leg]

Though Hartman and Burchell Zebras will be described as of the same general size, the mature Hartman stallions I have seen seemed a little larger than their Burchell cousins,

This Hartman is from the Erongo Mountains of central Namibia. The hunting environment is very similar to that of West Texas around Marathon or Alpine. As I noted above, it is a challenging and far different experience that hunting a Burchell, much less an introduced Hartman, on a game ranch.

This is a big Erongo Hartman stallion taken by a somewhat younger Red Leg and Nick Nolte

And this is a handsome but somewhat smaller Burchell taken in the Limpopo with Philip Bronkhorst.

Note the shadow stripes on the Burchell and their absence on the Hartman. Also, the stripes do not cross the belly of a Hartman.

 

[375Fox]

Though Hartman and Burchell Zebras will be described as of the same general size, the mature Hartman stallions I have seen seemed a little larger than their Burchell cousins,

This Hartman is from the Erongo Mountains of central Namibia. The hunting environment is very similar to that of West Texas around Marathon or Alpine. As I noted above, it is a challenging and far different experience that hunting a Burchell, much less an introduced Hartman, on a game ranch.

This is a big Erongo Hartman stallion taken by a somewhat younger Red Leg and Nick Nolte

And this is a handsome but somewhat smaller Burchell taken in the Limpopo with Philip Bronkhorst.

Note the shadow stripes on the Burchell and their absence on the Hartman. Also, the stripes do not cross the belly of a Hartman.

That’s what I’ve seen as well. This is my Hartmann zebra from NW Namibia. I wanted the biggest zebra stallion we could find regardless of bite marks. I’ll be heading back for a second one in just a few weeks. Interesting on the Hartmann they have white fat and smaller hooves. The burchell zebra has yellow fat. Even when they are in same general area.

 

[375Fox]

Yes, if you kill any Hartman zebra in Limpopo it'll be stocked and probably recently and not free breeding.
What I heard from my PH friends Hartman and Burchell does not go well together behind the HF.
I don't remember which one but one is more aggressive and eventually takes over.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I’m not certain if they can coexist well together or not, but the first safari I went on was an 80k acre game ranch in Namibia including mountains. The burchell zebra far outnumbered the Hartmann zebra on that property. In NW Namibia, I hunted where both Hartmann and burchell zebra both occur. There didn’t appear to be much overlap. The Hartmann stayed in the rougher terrain more west while the burchell zebra were more common in the flat areas close to the etosha border. We did see one lost burchell zebra two conservancies over from the border though.

 

[Jamie D Van Roekel]

So as u get it from this post the Hartmann and Mountain zebra are the same and are not exportable to the States.

 

[Red Leg]

So as u get it from this post the Hartmann and Mountain zebra are the same and are not exportable to the States.

That is incorrect. The Hartman or Mountain zebra can absolutely be imported into the States. Mine in the trophy room. The Cape Mountain Zebra is a different subspecies found in a very limited area of South Africa.

 

[Doubleplay]

I’m not certain if they can coexist well together or not, but the first safari I went on was an 80k acre game ranch in Namibia including mountains. The burchell zebra far outnumbered the Hartmann zebra on that property. In NW Namibia, I hunted where both Hartmann and burchell zebra both occur. There didn’t appear to be much overlap. The Hartmann stayed in the rougher terrain more west while the burchell zebra were more common in the flat areas close to the etosha border. We did see one lost burchell zebra two conservancies over from the border though.

That was my experience when I went to Namibia back in 1991.
Exactly as you described Burchell and Hartmann were in different parts of the property but maybe in Limpopo it might be different because of the level terrain.
I don't know.

 

[LJ SAFARIS]

Lots of Hartmann Zebra in the Northern Cape of South Africa and 100% importable to the States. I will send you some photos of US hunters with their Hartmann Zebra that I have guided and know 100% that has gone back to the US with no problems.

 

[dchum]

So as u get it from this post the Hartmann and Mountain zebra are the same and are not exportable to the States.

Where did you get that from?
Hartmans absolutely are importable into US.

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

Yes, if you kill any Hartman zebra in Limpopo it'll be stocked and probably recently and not free breeding.

How do you get to this assumption? The ones I know have been there for years.

 

[KMG Hunting Safaris]

I’ve been trying to find information on this since I read your post but can’t find it. I’d never heard of mountain zebra in Limpopo previously. Are the mountain zebra in Limpopo just Hartman zebra that have been transplanted there? or are they a native species?

Sorry for the late reply, but see others have answered already.
They have been introduced there, and majority run in self sustainable herds.
From some of the posts, its clear that some members are getting confused by the names. Both the Hartmann's and Cape are both Mountain Zebra with the latter not being importable. (For now)
I know of people going to try and import a Cape Mountain Zebra into the USA, this year.