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I don’t know much about double rifles other than I want to own one at some point in my life.

I want a no frills, not fancy, working man’s double. I know they are still pricey but I don’t want to pay for anything ornamental. I am unsure on a caliber but it will compliment a 375 ruger and 458 Lott. It has to be capable of accepting an RMR.

What options would I have and what are the going rates for them?
 
I’ve never owned a double but my 2 cents are as follows:

As far as chambering, my first choice would be 450/400 3” because it’s easily handled and capable of taking most anything you would hunt. Second would be .470 nitro. will probably be a little easier to find and more powerful.

If my budget is $7,500, I’d buy a used Sabatti.
If my budget is $10,000 I’d buy a used krieghoff classic.
If my budget is 15,000 I’d buy a used Heym.
In any case, it would go to JJ perodeau for inspection before purchase.
 
A Heym 88B PH model is about as “no frills” as it gets. They are hard to find but come up from time to time. They will probably run you in the high teens to low twentys used. They can accept RMRs and you can get the correct mount from Chris Sells with Heym USA for about $160.

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I’ve never owned a double but my 2 cents are as follows:

As far as chambering, my first choice would be 450/400 3” because it’s easily handled and capable of taking most anything you would hunt. Second would be .470 nitro. will probably be a little easier to find and more powerful.

If my budget is $7,500, I’d buy a used Sabatti.
If my budget is $10,000 I’d buy a used krieghoff classic.
If my budget is 15,000 I’d buy a used Heym.
In any case, it would go to JJ perodeau for inspection before purchase.
Having just gone through a similar exercise I could not find a used K-gun for less than $14k, didn't come across a Heym for less than $22k, didn't come across a Sabatti at all, did see some nice Chapuis at Champlin for $13-15k depending on caliber.

In the end, I was very fortunate, I found a Merkel in 450/400 from a fellow member on AH, it's been well looked after and had the triggers worked on and was re-regulated for Hornady by JJ. I got a great deal on it and also got enough reloading components to last a lifetime of safaris.

I know the merkels sometimes have gotten less than stellar reviews but I had a good long conversation with Ralf Martini just before he returned to Germany which put my mind at ease.

Good luck to you in your search, I was fortunate in mine and will be grateful to @Longwalker for the help, advice and great deal on my first double, and it will be joining me on my first safari in 2026!
 
I don’t know much about double rifles other than I want to own one at some point in my life.

I want a no frills, not fancy, working man’s double. I know they are still pricey but I don’t want to pay for anything ornamental. I am unsure on a caliber but it will compliment a 375 ruger and 458 Lott. It has to be capable of accepting an RMR.

What options would I have and what are the going rates for them?
Many depending on budget.
 
I'm looking at "top end makers" with similar 'idea' as OP, a working mans double, (the only real engraving being my name/initials).
 
Never know what you will come across, just be patient and find the right one.

I stumbled across my .470 Sabatti for sale at a gun shop, it was on consignment and I called up the owner and found out it was regulated by Ken Owen.

Done deal and I couldn’t be happier
 
I’ve never owned a double but my 2 cents are as follows:

As far as chambering, my first choice would be 450/400 3” because it’s easily handled and capable of taking most anything you would hunt. Second would be .470 nitro. will probably be a little easier to find and more powerful.

If my budget is $7,500, I’d buy a used Sabatti.
If my budget is $10,000 I’d buy a used krieghoff classic.
If my budget is 15,000 I’d buy a used Heym.
In any case, it would go to JJ perodeau for inspection before purchase.
Your used K-Gun and Heym values are probably off by about 40-50%.

@SoVa I’d tell you to budget $13-15k and not look at anything less than a Kreighoff/Merkel/Chapuis. That’ll get you into that used category since new prices and wait times are continuing to climb. If you want a used Heym you’re going to need to budget $18-25k depending on condition/wood and search pretty hard. Caliber will also dictate price a bit.

Given your current 2 calibers, I’d suggest either 470 or 500 factoring in current availability of factory ammo. I personally would point you towards a Chapuis or Heym. I think Chapuis might be one of the best values out there in terms of fit/finish barring a good deal on a Heym. Current Heym pricing/lead time I’m taking the Chapuis.

I’ve owned and sold both a Merkel and Heym. I’ve shot a K-gun but didn’t care for the cocker/decocker. I love the idea and could likely get used to it. I presently own and trying to convince myself to part with a new Chapuis 470 and put the money towards a hunt but am struggling to take that leap because I know prices are only going to keep climbing.
 
I bought a double rifle in 9.3x74r, a classic African round, on GB last year. It is in "as new" condition except someone buggered up the finish a little on a small spot on the top barrel. They reblued it and it is passable. Mechanically perfect with ejectors. It is a Tikka 512, identical to Valmet 412. over and under. All these rifles come with a full length sight rail on top barrel, with a flip up iron sight and milled for a factory QD scope base and rings. These come with single and double triggers, 12ga doubles, 20ga doubles, shotgun over rifle combination barrels, and double rifle barrels. Barrels usually interchange without fitting. The double rifles are all adjustable regulation for windage and elevation so you can use any load you want. These are rugged, well made, solid fitting, accurate guns based on an old Remington design and manufactured with strong modern steel. All rimmed cartridges are ejectors, all rimless rounds are extractors. They have been killing moose and wild boar in Europe for decades and are well respected there. Valmet was bought by Tikka who then sent the tooling from Finnland to Italy where the rifles are still made today, although I do not believe anyone currently imports new guns to the US. There are always several on GB at any given time. 9.3x74R was the most powerful round made by the factory. They also made one in 375 Win, which you can have rechambered for 375 Flanged (ballistic twin to 375 H&H), which is what I chose to do. I wanted to have one re-bored to a 40 caliber, but could not locate anyone to rebore double rifles. JES won't do it.

People here seem rather ambivalent about Valmet doubles, but I own 4 double rifles and a double 12 guage, and I think they are great, functional, durable, and reliable guns. The are the epitome of a "working man's double."

Use the following link, go to page 9, and go about 3/4 down the page to see a pic of my Valmet 412 double 30-06 with double triggers and custom stocks.

 
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You haven't mentioned your budget SoVa, but if you could possibly stretch to it get a Heym 89b, no engraving and standard wood which is grade 3. You will then have an extremely competent double that will last virtually forever. The 89b is extremely elegant, styled upon a classic British double and oozes class in it's perfect form. It also has the Greener cross bolt that guarantees a robust action, to my mind the strongest out there.
As to calibre I would go for a 450/400 3"; enough to hunt anything whilst still being handleable and relatively inexpensive to shoot.
I own one I ordered exactly what I have described, but the factory offered simple edge engraving for no extra cost and I took it, but sometimes wish I hadn't. My Heym is very accurate and never throws up any surprises. It was regulated with Hornady DGS at the factory and prints sub-25mm at 50 metres all the time.
Here is one such Heym belonging to a friend of mine, it says it all.
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Find an early 20th century English gun, maybe have to put some love into it but it will be a piece of history and completely functional….it all depends on budget. As previously mentioned if you want to buy a new modern, Heym , chapuis, merkel are the best for the money new guns with traditional type safety set ups.
 
You haven't mentioned your budget SoVa, but if you could possibly stretch to it get a Heym 89b, no engraving and standard wood which is grade 3. You will then have an extremely competent double that will last virtually forever. The 89b is extremely elegant, styled upon a classic British double and oozes class in it's perfect form. It also has the Greener cross bolt that guarantees a robust action, to my mind the strongest out there.
As to calibre I would go for a 450/400 3"; enough to hunt anything whilst still being handleable and relatively inexpensive to shoot.
I own one I ordered exactly what I have described, but the factory offered simple edge engraving for no extra cost and I took it, but sometimes wish I hadn't. My Heym is very accurate and never throws up any surprises. It was regulated with Hornady DGS at the factory and prints sub-25mm at 50 metres all the time.
Here is one such Heym belonging to a friend of mine, it says it all.
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I haven’t really set a budget and I’m not on a time crunch to get the rifle so I don’t have a firm budget as I can be patient and save. I was originally hoping for something at or under 10k but I am seeing the options are going to be limited at that price that being said I can’t see myself spending more than 15k on this rifle considering how little it will ever be used.
 
I bought a double rifle in 9.3x74r, a classic African round, on GB last year. It is in "as new" condition except someone buggered up the finish a little on a small spot on the top barrel. They reblued it and it is passable. Mechanically perfect with ejectors. It is a Tikka 512, identical to Valmet 412. over and under. All these rifles come with a full length sight rail on top barrel, with a flip up iron sight and milled for a factory QD scope base and rings. These come with single and double triggers, 12ga doubles, 20ga doubles, shotgun over rifle combination barrels, and double rifle barrels. Barrels usually interchange without fitting. The double rifles are all adjustable regulation for windage and elevation so you can use any load you want. These are rugged, well made, solid fitting, accurate guns based on an old Remington design and manufactured with strong modern steel. All rimmed cartridges are ejectors, all rimless rounds are extractors. They have been killing moose and wild boar in Europe for decades and are well respected there. Valmet was bought by Tikka who then sent the tooling from Finnland to Italy where the rifles are still made today, although I do not believe anyone currently imports new guns to the US. There are always several on GB at any given time. 9.3x74R was the most powerful round made by the factory. They also made one in 375 Win, which you can have rechambered for 375 Flanged (ballistic twin to 375 H&H), which is what I chose to do. I wanted to have one re-bored to a 40 caliber, but could not locate anyone to rebore double rifles. JES won't do it.

People here seem rather ambivalent about Valmet doubles, but I own 4 double rifles and a double 12 guage, and I think they are great, functional, durable, and reliable guns. The are the epitome of a "working man's double."

Use the following link, go to page 9, and go about 3/4 down the page to see a pic of my Valmet 412 double 30-06 with double triggers and custom stocks.

A 9.3x74R is a fine caliber but not exactly a "classic" African round. It isn't even legal for dangerous game in a number of places in Africa which I assume is the intended use of the OP's eventual rifle. It was and still is a popular European caliber for driven boar. red stag, and Nordic moose.

Unless one's liability insurance is substantial, I don't believe I would recommend rechambering a .375 Winchester anything to 375 H&H flanged. The 375 W has a case length of 2.05 inches and a .375 flanged is nearly a full half inch longer. So much chamber metal would have to be removed to have potentially created a hand grenade inches from one's face. I can't imagine how thin that shoulder would mike.
 
Perhaps a Chapuis Iphisi could be interesting, if memory serves they are under 10 000 USD new and should be of good quality.
If you are interested in Chapuis, reach out to our very own @Tom Leoni. He works with Chapuis and is a consummate gentleman!
 
If you are interested in Chapuis, reach out to our very own @Tom Leoni. He works with Chapuis and is a consummate gentleman!
Thanks for the tip but I am done with double rifles for myself, but I thought it could be a good choice for the thread starter in the sub 10 000 USD category.
 

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