OBERNDORF MAUSER 8 X 57 IS - HELP..!

[DOC-404]

I saw, I liked, I bought..but I must confess that I don't know too much about it. Just had to have it. Paid $ 1172.00 for it. It has never been fired and is in pristine condition. Can any of you guy's give me any info on this rifle or caliber..?



Thanks,
Doc.

 

[spike.t]

docman try going to Mauser G98 review | Rifles Reviews | Gunmart . it has a review of the rifle. it says they only made 100 of them as a 100 anniversary tribute. the early calibre designation was 8x57j which had a diameter of 0.318 inch, then the 8x57js replaced it but the bullet diameter grew to .323 inch you can use either in a 323 barrel, but not the .323 in .318 or you will have problems!! it is also called the 8mm mauser. it seems factory loads were in the 196/198 grain weight with velocity 2391ft/sec or 2647ft/sec, with muzz energy 2488ft/lbs to 3647ft/lbs. its a nice looking rifle, where did that surface from?

 

[spike.t]

sorry docman didnt get to finish that last message. you probably know this cartridge as the german military round from both world wars, the 7.92x57. with military ball ammo it had a 154grn bullet, with 2880ft/s and2835 energy.

 

[DOC-404]

..'rarest G98 ever'..now that is something..! I see Sierra makes a 200g Matchking and a 220 Gameking for it in .323 dia. Thanks Spike, that helped a lot.

 

[Red Leg]

What a find. Saw one of these a couple of years ago that one of the local high-end dealers was selling. You did well. As I remember, he wanted closer to 2K for his. Spike has given you a great run down. And as he notes, this is a beautiful recreaction of the WWI infantry version of the rifle. I assume it is an S bore, but you might want to make sure.

 

[spike.t]

hornady do a good selection of bullet weights for reloading as well. federal, prvi partisan, sellier and bellot, remington load for it, and norma have a good selection of factory ammo as well. it is a great looking rifle, enjoy :thumb:

 

[spike.t]

What a find. Saw one of these a couple of years ago that one of the local high-end dealers was selling. You did well. As I remember, he wanted closer to 2K for his. Spike has given you a great run down. And as he notes, this is a beautiful recreaction of the WWI infantry version of the rifle. I assume it is an S bore, but you might want to make sure.

it should have the .323 barrel as after 1905 all german military rifles were made to this spec, and the military .318 inch rifles were bored out to .323. as this is a modern manufacture it should be .323.

 

[Nyati]

A real classic, a beautiful rifle, congrats !

 

[spike.t]

docman have you managed to have a play with the G98 yet?

 

[DOC-404]

docman have you managed to have a play with the G98 yet?

..Spike, no I have not. I'm going to leave it as is, perhaps it will be of more value to my son or grandson one day. I've got too many others that keep me busy, anyway..! I still like to fondle it once in a while, though..:eyebrow:

Cheers,
Doc.

 

[spike.t]

..Spike, no I have not. I'm going to leave it as is, perhaps it will be of more value to my son or grandson one day. I've got too many others that keep me busy, anyway..! I still like to fondle it once in a while, though..:eyebrow:

Cheers,
Doc.

nice idea, but you have more self control than me, but at least you can play with it :wink:

 

[trevelyan]

8x57j

docman try going to Mauser G98 review | Rifles Reviews | Gunmart . it has a review of the rifle. it says they only made 100 of them as a 100 anniversary tribute. the early calibre designation was 8x57j which had a diameter of 0.318 inch, then the 8x57js replaced it but the bullet diameter grew to .323 inch you can use either in a 323 barrel, but not the .323 in .318 or you will have problems!! it is also called the 8mm mauser. it seems factory loads were in the 196/198 grain weight with velocity 2391ft/sec or 2647ft/sec, with muzz energy 2488ft/lbs to 3647ft/lbs. its a nice looking rifle, where did that surface from?

Hi, i come accross this side by pure luck, so i'm not sure if i'm posting this on the right place.
I was given a 8.57j and what i want to know all the time is all said here above but.... a gun smit in our town say that you can use the js bullets in the j, but i see you say its not avaisable? I'm still in the process of doing my application for the rifle, so if i cant use the js bullets in the j what can i do then, there is no ammo avaliable for the j "model" Can i "reem" the j to js or must i put on a new barrel?

 

[spike.t]

firstly welcome to AH. after ww2 with the amount of surplus mausers arriving into the usa the ammunition makers loaded a soft .323 dia bullet with lower powder charge, so if it was fired in a .318 bored rifle it would squeeze down and fit with no damage, but the bullets didnt work very well on the larger north american animals so it was dropped in the 1950`s. after this the manufacturers loaded tougher bullets but kept the powder load low so if fired in a .318 barrel it wouldnt cause catastrophic damage. i believe most usa loadings are still very low, and i read the chamber pressure is lower than a 30-30, as they need to cover their liabilities. i wouldnt think it advisable to fire european 8x57js hunting loads in your rifle. i am not a gunsmith so cant advise you on how to remedy your problem, but maybe others on here can help.

 

[trevelyan]

firstly welcome to AH. after ww2 with the amount of surplus mausers arriving into the usa the ammunition makers loaded a soft .323 dia bullet with lower powder charge, so if it was fired in a .318 bored rifle it would squeeze down and fit with no damage, but the bullets didnt work very well on the larger north american animals so it was dropped in the 1950`s. after this the manufacturers loaded tougher bullets but kept the powder load low so if fired in a .318 barrel it wouldnt cause catastrophic damage. i believe most usa loadings are still very low, and i read the chamber pressure is lower than a 30-30, as they need to cover their liabilities. i wouldnt think it advisable to fire european 8x57js hunting loads in your rifle. i am not a gunsmith so cant advise you on how to remedy your problem, but maybe others on here can help.

Thanks for the welcome and thx for the speedy response. Yes your answer does help and i think i might get the correct answer here. The make of ammo available her is norma, hornady and S&B. The rifle is old and has been used a few times, maybe thats a good thing should i choose to use the js ammo. A gunsmith in town say i can use it but if one gets diffrent reactions to the question one began to wonder Lets see what other members say and i will take it from there. Thx again.

 

[sondhi470]

Hi,
Was just wondering if 8mm or 7.92x57 is any where close to the 318westley richards . I believe both calibres have a .323 diameter. Any light on this point would be appreciated!!

 

[sondhi470]

318 westley Richards vs 8mm

Hi,
Was just wondering if 8mm or 7.92x57 is any where close to the 318westley richards . I believe both calibres have a .323 diameter. Any light on this point would be appreciated!!

 

[spike.t]

Hi,
Was just wondering if 8mm or 7.92x57 is any where close to the 318westley richards . I believe both calibres have a .323 diameter. Any light on this point would be appreciated!!

the .318 wr bullet is .330 inch i believe.

 

[sondhi470]

the .318 wr bullet is .330 inch i believe.

Thanks spike I stand corrected. Have subsequently found that 30-06 brass an be modified to 318specs.
Thanks

 

[trevelyan]

8x57j

Thanks for the welcome and thx for the speedy response. Yes your answer does help and i think i might get the correct answer here. The make of ammo available her is norma, hornady and S&B. The rifle is old and has been used a few times, maybe thats a good thing should i choose to use the js ammo. A gunsmith in town say i can use it but if one gets diffrent reactions to the question one began to wonder Lets see what other members say and i will take it from there. Thx again.

Well i got my license and did my first "test" with the 8x57j. I used S&B 196 gr 8x57js rounds and it works perfect, maybe its because it a old rifle but neither the less it did the job. I forgot one thing though is to tell the gunsmith to crown my barrel as well. Grouping over 100 meters was not that good, will get it growned it will try again, have to say the 8mm have a nice kick to it.

 

[Rob404]

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