What can be done

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I have been watching the news the last couple of days and it has been a lot said about this latest school shooting at an elementary school.
I am deeply saddened at this loss of 19 young school children and 2 teachers.
According to the news California has the highest gun ownership per capita and now Texas wants to beat California in this record.
I don't know what can be done to stop such tragedies. Gun ownership won't stop it nor will gun restrictions.
I would like to hear others thoughts on this. Is education the answer or is it just the way society is now. I don't have any answers.
May God be with all those who have suffered.
Bob

 

[WAB]

We have a mental health crisis in our country that no one wants to talk about. Our healthcare system is completely broken as regards mental health. I have been way too close to a couple of situations in the last two years that have left me shaking my head. One resulted in a suicide, the other a completely destroyed life. In neither case was adequate care provided, nor was intervention legally allowed.

Stack this on top of our insistence on removing God from our government, our schools, and all else in our society and you have a perfect storm.

Our system assumed an underpinning of morality based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. If you strip this away, which the left is determined to do, you get a total free for all of relative morality.

Until we are willing to talk about the root cause of this problem, we will continue to see these horrific tragedies.

We didn’t lack the means to do what these idiots are doing when we were teenagers. However, we were grounded in our beliefs and would never have considered it.

 

[Hunt anything]

This is a tough one. I can only draw from my experience, the school that my daughters and grandson went to had “man traps” you could enter the first door and you had to be buzzed through the second . All other doors remained locked through the entire day. You could go out in case of an emergency but could not enter. In my younger days in the 70’s and 80’s many of us kept guns in our trucks for an afternoon hunt and if we had a problem with someone else we settled it with fists not guns. But I think in reality you can’t stop hate and we must be more vigilant. God bless the families of all of this senseless violence.

 

[Tanks]

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According to the news California has the highest gun ownership per capita and now Texas wants to beat California in this record.
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And CA has the strictest gun controls in the country and shootings still happen. Not much can be done on the firearms side as gun ownership is enshrined in the Constitution (thank God). Regarding mental health treatment etc., that won't happen either.

However, what can be done is to harden the potential targets.

One thing that is interesting is that as far as the left is concerned the culprit is guns not the person wielding the weapon. An example is there was an exemption for conceal weapon permit holders in regards to school property (they are gun free zones). CA legislature revoked that exception even though in CA CCW permit holders have a lesser percentage of criminal behavior than cops and are vetted extensively every two years.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

And CA has the strictest gun controls in the country and shootings still happen. Not much can be done on the firearms side as gun ownership is enshrined in the Constitution (thank God). Regarding mental health treatment etc., that won't happen either.

However, what can be done is to harden the potential targets.

One thing that is interesting is that as far as the left is concerned the culprit is guns not the person wielding the weapon. An example is there was an exemption for conceal weapon permit holders in regards to school property (they are gun free zones). CA legislature revoked that exception even though in CA CCW permit holders have a lesser percentage of criminal behavior than cops and are vetted extensively every two years.

@Tanks
I just read the stupidest thing I have ever read.
Seeing the company that makes the gun and sueing the gun shop for selling the ammo.
For fucks sake take some responsibility. It was the shooter not the manufacturer or the shop that pulled the trigger, it was a pissed off kid.
When I was younger we took responsibility for our actions and settled disagreement with fists ONE ONE ONE. That usually resulted in friendships as you respected the other person even after the punch up.
Since mental health services were dismantled in Australia patients aren't getting the treatment they need and deserve plus political correctness has a lot to answer to.
If'n you don't like the answer don't ask the question.
A lot of people are walking around with their head up their arse pretending to be blind as to what is happening and are afraid to speak up incase they offend some piss are minority group. It seems minority has more influence than majority nowdays. Shit you can't even tell a joke incase it offends someone.
We need to be able to parent our kids again instead of some government ond a bunch of do gooders telling us how to do it.
When did we stop becoming parents and let this shit happen. I'm not saying we need to belt the crap out of our kids but we should be allowed to give them a good grounding in life and respect for self, others and religion.
Bob

 

[steve white]

It's media manipulation for gun control. As bad as they are, mass shootings are statistically insignificant compared to drug and alcohol related deaths (including drug gangland shootings) and other big hitters. A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE ANTIS: Are you saying you would like to see the Ukrainian civilians disarmed and at the mercy of Putin and his army? The REAL mass murderers are socialist governments!

 

[RUGER77]

Where are all the good guys with guns? Asking for a friend.

 

[JimP]

Where are all the good guys with guns? Asking for a friend.

He broke through the barricaded door and shot the perp, he got there as fast as he could

 

[RUGER77]

A little late, I'd say. Banning books didn't help either.

 

[Newboomer]

It's media manipulation for gun control. As bad as they are, mass shootings are statistically insignificant compared to drug and alcohol related deaths (including drug gangland shootings) and other big hitters. A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE ANTIS: Are you saying you would like to see the Ukrainian civilians disarmed and at the mercy of Putin and his army? The REAL mass murderers are socialist governments!

With schools locked down like prisons, I don't see how that kid got into the school in the first place. An 18 year old has no business in an elementary school. But what do you expect when schools are posted gun free zones. That's a big sign saying, "Come get me, I can't fight back." Those signs used to be quite common here but I haven't seen any in some time. I guess someone in the indoctrination dept. (can't call it education anymore) got their head out in the daylight and realized that didn't work.

The US needs to take a lesson from Israel. Teachers there are armed and you don't hear of any of these shooting sprees. "The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

But to do that you have to purge the cackling, squealing libtards amd their sniveling about more senseless gun laws. Didn't take ole Bidumb long to come out with that. That was straight out of Soros's playbook. Good little piece of acting. I thought he was going to bawl there for a minute. But it was quite eveident he didn't give a tinker's damn for the families, just so many empty political words.

 

[Tom Leoni]

@Bob Nelson 35Whelen - what can be done? Unfortunately nothing. Perhaps being more vigilant on angst-riddled teenagers, but then again we come to whose responsibility this would be. Schools can barely teach, let alone care for people individually. Too many parents are either absent or working full time to make ends meet. Churches are empty and increasingly ridiculed in our society.

Disarming the law abiding for the sins of criminals is as morally repugnant as it gets--all you need to do is see who's always rushing to wave the bloody shirts of the newly dead to agitate for less freedom for us and more power for them. You almost get the sense that they don't view these as tragedies, but as opportunities. And lest anyone doubts me, this is exactly why the weekly carnage in places like Chicago and NYC is shrugged off--we already have fewer freedoms there, while they already have the power they want. If it was lives that they really cared about, this wouldn't be the case.

The sad part--and I normally NEVER post about politics or current events, but this obviously struck a powerful chord within us all--is that when you have a society that overvalues nihilism and narcissistic acts at the expense of tried and true "boring" values developed over millennia, you get things like this. In a nation of 350,000,000 people with an increasingly disunited culture and politicians siccing us against one-another, it's actually a miracle that it happens only X number of times a year.

Realistically, the only thing that will stop bad guys intent on mass murder is more law-abiding citizens carrying guns. Sad and imperfect, I know--but none of us has a magic wand and I am never for symbolic gestures masked as good intentions.

 

[Tundra Tiger]

@WAB ... Very well stated sir.

In my mind, and piggybacking on that, it's not one thing. It's certainly not as simple as guns. It's like a recipe: there's a lot of stuff that goes into the end product. Those absolute lines in the sand that kept generations like mine from doing things like this have been obliterated by a whole host of societally acceptable things today that never, ever saw the light of day during my childhood. I am an optimist so I believe it can change, but at age 55 I am not sure I believe it will in my lifetime. I fear it's going to get worse in the short term. Those who would consider doing something like this are almost certainly emboldened by the attention atrocities like this garner.

 

[RUGER77]

Are the Libtards banning guns from the NRA convention in Texas this Friday? Do you think the Libtards are worried about the orange piece of crap, that is a guest speaker? Talk about hypocrites.

 

[TucsonFX4]

We have a mental health crisis in our country that no one wants to talk about. Our healthcare system is completely broken as regards mental health. I have been way too close to a couple of situations in the last two years that have left me shaking my head. One resulted in a suicide, the other a completely destroyed life. In neither case was adequate care provided, nor was intervention legally allowed.

Stack this on top of our insistence on removing God from our government, our schools, and all else in our society and you have a perfect storm.

Our system assumed an underpinning of morality based on Judeo-Christian beliefs. If you strip this away, which the left is determined to do, you get a total free for all of relative morality.

Until we are willing to talk about the root cause of this problem, we will continue to see these horrific tragedies.

We didn’t lack the means to do what these idiots are doing when we were teenagers. However, we were grounded in our beliefs and would never have considered it.

I believe this is a very good summary.

I would just add the cancel-culture done to anyone who speaks the truth about those that are unstable. Everyone has become too sensitive and afraid to label someone that needs to be labeled.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Uvalde, Texas is 90 minutes south of my home in Texas. It’s a small community. There are a ton of unanswered questions that nobody seems to want to ask. It’s completely horrible.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Another thought that comes to mind, crap like this didn’t used to happen when we had insane asylums…….. problem people that were a menace to society just disappeared one day…..

 

[RTG]

California does not have the highest per capita gun ownership. Perhaps their increased regulations show them as having documented more ownership. Arizona, Wyoming, Texas out own California ten to one, if not 100 to 1.

Like what others have said we are in the midst of a serious health crisis. Nothing positive is being done about it. Nothing positive will be done about it. For the enemies of freedom, chaos is a roadmap to power and control.

Almost every one of these shooters is on multiple prescription drugs like anti depressants. Emotions suppressed for years. Some become time bombs. Illegal drugs mixed in make it much worse, but many get angry if you suggest that.

Violent behavior, cruelty and mental illness is often ignored and not documented until it's too late. The modern approach is to not hurt the kids feelings or document anything that follows them.

A person known to police and doctors as being mentally ill and violent can often turn 18, pass a background check and buy a gun. The left doesn't want to tackle that. For them these shootings are a pathway to their political agenda which includes gun control and disarmament. The right is afraid of increased government power that can selectively target groups not intended to be controlled.

Ethically speaking, America is in a civil war.

The right wants America where we are all endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights. We want freedom, liberty, prosperity, personal responsibility, law and order, secure boarders, strong law enforcement and punishment to criminals. Furthermore we want nut-jobs locked up and put somewhere safe. Safe for the nut job, and safe for us.

The left wants freedoms selectively granted by government, no responsibility, no accountability, no punishment, no judgement, no shame, no boarders, no jails, no mental institutions, free medical, free drugs, free sex, free sex changes. Obviously that type of society can't have freedoms like gun ownership.

Our homeless crisis has a lot to do with the modern democrat approach to mental illness too. California for example has closed down almost every single mental asylum and controlled housing for the mentally ill. They believe it's cruel to keep them locked up so they are let out into the world. Many of these people have zero ability to keep themselves safe. Thousands end up diseased and victimized on the streets. Compassion my A$$

 

[RUGER77]

Yeah right patients were guinea pigs for for nut job scientists and so called doctors.

Another thought that comes to mind, crap like this didn’t used to happen when we had insane asylums…….. problem people that were a menace to society just disappeared one day…..

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[shootist~]

or is it just the way society is now.

Unfortunately, yes.

Based on latest news: No dad. Mom is a drug addict. Grandfather an ex-con.
High School drop-out.

The Sheriff and Mayor both indicate a lack of mental health support as the biggest problem.

Lack of discipline at home and at school, catch and release laws (and judges), and the list goes on.

And according to my retired school teacher wife - it gets worse every year.

 

[RTG]

Another thought that comes to mind, crap like this didn’t used to happen when we had insane asylums…….. problem people that were a menace to society just disappeared one day…..

Absolutely. It's nessassary to keep society safe. Often nessassary to keep the disturbed individual safe too.