What Is Canned Hunting Of Lions

[rookhawk]

Interesting read.

I was reading this article drafted by Zimbabwe Gov't through the parks department in conjunction with several stakeholders in the private sector. http://www.zimparks.org/images/conservation_uploads/captive_bred_lion_policy.pdf

To summarize the interesting part:

DEFINITIONS:

Wild - A lion is considered to be wild if: · it is free-ranging, · it lives on wild prey populations, which do not require to be supplemented in numbers or with food, · its own diet is not supplemented with food artificially, · it occurs in its natural habitat within the historical distribution range of the particular species, and · its social requirements are met at all times.

Managed wild populations - A lion population is considered to be a managed wild population if: · it is free-ranging, · it lives on wild prey populations whose numbers may require to be supplemented, · it occurs in its natural habitat within the historical distribution range of the particular species, and · its social requirements are met at all times.

Captive - A lion is considered captive if any of the criteria of the definitions for wild or managed wild populations are absent.

Captive-bred - A lion bred under controlled unnatural conditions is considered to be captive-bred.

Canned lion hunting - Canned hunting is considered to be any form of hunting where: - a lion is tranquillised, artificially lured by sound, scent, visual stimuli, feeding, bait, other lions, or animals of another species, or any other method, - captive bred lions are hunted. - a captive bred lion, or any lion, is prevented from escaping the hunter, either by physical constraint, such as fences, or by mental constraint, such as familiarity with humans.

It appears that hunting a lion in a fenced area, no matter how big, regardless as to whether the lion is wild or captive raised is considered a canned hunt at present by Zimbabwe.

 

[Big5]

I agree with the above position.

 

[siml]

I don't agree that if a lion is baited, that it's canned.

 

[Big5]

TMS . . . mea culpa, I must agree with you. I overlooked the baited inclusion which has been a very long established tradition when it comes to free range lion hunting.

 

[jeff]

Also sound, calling lions with hyena feeding frenzy sounds is also exciting, no different than calling other wildlife.

 

[Royal27]

Canned lion hunting - Canned hunting is considered to be any form of hunting where: - a lion is tranquillised, artificially lured by sound, scent, visual stimuli, feeding, bait, other lions, or animals of another species, or any other method, - captive bred lions are hunted. - a captive bred lion, or any lion, is prevented from escaping the hunter, either by physical constraint, such as fences, or by mental constraint, such as familiarity with humans.

Interesting....

I haven't read the entire article yet, but based on this definition alone I guess that all lion hunting in Zim, or almost all, is "canned"???

 

[thi9elsp]

Hmmm. So, in Zim they want spot and stalk only. Reaction to the lion coming out of Hwange park to feed on the elephant. So, that type of hunting would not be considered 'wild' even though the behaviour was all natural?

 

[wesheltonj]

So 50k acres with a fence is canned? Sorry, disagree about fences and bait. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Royal27]

So 50k acres with a fence is canned? Sorry, disagree about fences and bait. Just my 2 cents.

With bait, I guess all leopards are canned now too.

 

[enysse]

I guess I'm just tired of all these BS labels, the only thing it does is turn hunter against hunter.

 

[Hank2211]

I guess I'm just tired of all these BS labels, the only thing it does is turn hunter against hunter.

I'm with Enysse on this one. These labels might make some official feel better but they aren't very helpful, and pit us against each other.

I agree with the above position.

This is an example of what I mean. With respect Big5, if you agree that this is applicable to lions, then I can only assume you believe that virtually all animal hunting in South Africa, Namibia, private land in Zim or Bts, etc., is canned hunting, whether for buffalo, kudu, or anything else.

And, of course, leopard and lion hunting throughout much of Africa, including especially Zimbabwe where (almost?) all lion and leopard hunting is using baits, would be canned.

Talk about a way to kill our sport.

 

[Philip Glass]

Dumb ass people!
Canned hunting means shooting an animal in a PEN!!! Period end of discussion.
I have had enough of this discussion on what is a private property rights issue. PHASA and all other organizations that pick a side are wrong and are killing our industry!
WE CAN EITHER HANG TOGETHER OR HANG SEPARATELY !!!
Hunting is under attack by communist liberal tree huggers and we must form a united front and that has not happened.
I am very sorry to state that from a Texans perspective you people from foreign countries have no respect or idea of what true private property rights are. My life and success revolves around private property rights as do all the wildlife in Texas and RSA. My life also revolves around results and in this matter of wildlife management results matter!
Regards,
Philip

 

[BRICKBURN]

Did you see the illustrious list of people on the task force laying this policy out?
Have a look it will help you understand the result presented.

 

[Royal27]

Did you see the illustrious list of people on the task force laying this policy out?
Have a look it will help you understand the result presented.

Without even looking I'm betting one name is Rodriquez

 

[Royal27]

Without even looking I'm betting one name is Rodriquez

Nope!

But same difference!

 

[Code4]

There is nothing wrong with a label or category. Just call it what it is.
It's when people shoot some monster book, unscared record animal and then claim it was all free chase that is starts to erk me. That's just deceptive and more indicative of that persons character than their hunting skills..

 

[Scott Slough]

Also sound, calling lions with hyena feeding frenzy sounds is also exciting, no different than calling other wildlife.

I think here kitty, kitty is the where we start to get in trouble !

 

[Big5]

. . . This is an example of what I mean. With respect Big5, if you agree that this is applicable to lions, then I can only assume you believe that virtually all animal hunting in South Africa, Namibia, private land in Zim or Bts, etc., is canned hunting, whether for buffalo, kudu, or anything else.

And, of course, leopard and lion hunting throughout much of Africa, including especially Zimbabwe where (almost?) all lion and leopard hunting is using baits, would be canned.

Talk about a way to kill our sport.

Hank, did you read my follow up comment to TMS about my "mea culpa" with regard to baiting lions? I stated that I overlooked the baited inclusion which has been a very long established tradition when it comes to free range lion hunting.

I have a personal position and preferences when it comes to hunting. I won't apologize for that. Furthermore, I've not beat a drum, written any articles or attempted to organize any following to my way of thinking. But if you think my personal beliefs with regard to free range hunting fall into the category of being "a way to kill our sport", so be it. You are certainly entitled to that position and any other personal beliefs you may have on hunting or anything else for that matter.

Good hunting to you and everyone else here . . . I say that even in spite of my personal belief and preferences when it comes to free range hunting.

 

[Pheroze]

I don't agree that if a lion is baited, that it's canned.

+1

I think Jim Corbett will be shocked to learn he hunted canned cats all those years! What a scoundrel.

 

[BWH]

Not to digress..... So is all deer hunting in TX canned???? All we do is hunt over feeders! We hunt hogs over bait.... I fish with lures. My argument is the definition wording.