Politics

[Woodcarver]

Using the ignore button can make for some confusing threads for you. You'll see responses that make no sense as you didn't see the post from the ignored. I find it easier to just scroll on by when a nonsensical post shows up, typically posted by the same person that made the last one I found a waste of time reading. But even the blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally and makes a cogent post worth reading. I read everyone, with a filter appropriate for the poster.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Using the ignore button can make for some confusing threads for you. You'll see responses that make no sense as you didn't see the post from the ignored. I find it easier to just scroll on by when a nonsensical post shows up, typically posted by the same person that made the last one I found a waste of time reading. But even the blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally and makes a cogent post worth reading. I read everyone, with a filter appropriate for the poster.

Yes, I would like to have an "ignore" button (I guess it's the tv remote? LOL) every time Brandon pops up unexpectedly giving one of his brain dead news conferences, but then I'd miss his jaw dropping stupidity and the free entertainment factor? LOL Same with the Marxist Demonrats spouting off their BS. However, I abide by the phrase someone once said, "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer". So, I hold my nose and watch and listen to most everything to keep abreast of the rapidly changing world and others opinions.

 

[DillonG]

Apples to oranges.

Our Federal firearm laws do not require registration unless it's a type A Class III/NFA item is a firearm or firearm accessory that is regulated by the ATF in accordance with the National Firearms Act of 1986. These items include Full Auto machine guns, silencers, short barrel rifles and shotguns, etc.

Also we have more guns in one state of this country then whole Australia and NZ combined!

Somebody please tell me how federal or even state government can confiscate or even figure out how many guns anybody has including 3D printed ones?
I'm all ears.

I was in firearm industry holding a type 7 FFL for a long time and heard these kind of arguments even 30 years ago.
Believe it or not some of these rumors was being sponsored by firearms industry and NRA just to boost sales and membership and we were loving it.
Federal level confiscation can't and will not happen here any time soon regardless who's in power.

I know how to answer your question. Spend 10 minutes educating yourself about the current ban in IL.

I truly hope you are correct, but the current situation with limitation to courts being able to hear cases, and the utter lack of Chicago-elected officials Constitutional awareness is evident.

 

[DillonG]

Its for the children! (sarcasm)...

its a never ending cycle.. Dem govt restricts the 2A... some time years later a case makes it to the USSC and the restriction is found unconstitutional.. so they find a different way to restrict the 2A.. which lasts for years until the USSC finds that restriction unconstitutional..

all the while years (sometimes many years) pass with unconstitutional restrictions in place... and while many of the most important cases ultimately get resolved.. some more minor cases remain intact and continue to infringe on constitutional rights..

Just last week Elizabeth Warren and Corey Booker introduced a bill that would establish a national ammo registry.. basically if we cant keep you from buying firearms, we'll make it too expensive and administratively challenging for you to buy ammunition.. and, oh by the way.. if youre buying XXX caliber ammo.. then while we havent asked you to register a firearm (constitutionally unsound), we have indeed made you disclose that you have a firearm in that caliber.. and put you on the "list" (the national registry)..

Prior to her most recent attempt.. we have the 2022 legislation she wrote with a D from GA that restricted firearms.. we have her 2020 attempt.. her 2019 attempt.. etc..etc..

While its highly unlikely this latest bill will pass.. the attempts to prohibit use and ownership of firearms by highly influential dem senators and congressmen will never end..

While @Doubleplay 's observation that many Dem politicians own firearms is absolutely true..

That hasnt stopped Dems.. to include those who own firearms (such as Joe Biden) from introducing and passing legislation that infringes on the 2A..

And.. while there are Dem politicians that own guns.. its important to note they are in the MINORITY..

Congress was formally surveyed in 2016.. roughly 50% of R's reported they owned firearms.. Less than 25% of D's reported they owned firearms..

Further consider who the most common firearm owners are in the US (constituents that vote politicians into office)..

Roughly 57% of registered republicans either personally own a firearm or someone else in their household owns a firearm..

48% of independents own a firearm or someone else in their household owns a firearm...

only 16% of Democrats own firearms with another 9% ownership being made up by someone else in their household owning a firearm (25% total.. well less than 1/2 of republicans and roughly 1/2 of independents..)..

It is politically advantageous for a Democrat in most parts of the country to be in favor of further firearms restrictions as the majority of their constituents are not firearms owners and are in favor of further restrictions.. whether they personally own a firearm or not (again, best and most obvious reference: Joe Biden)..

Thank you for the breakdown. I, like many other firearm owners, get tired of Dem supporters proclaiming they don’t mean to infringe in the Bill of Rights. I am young, but not ignorant. I’m old enough to see the registration of firearms in other countries and then confiscation. It is absolutely naive to believe that is not the ultimate agenda on a STATE level in the US.

I agree that a national firearm ban will not happen. That is not the current political strategy of Dems especially in my state.

 

[steve white]

Laws change, but gun registration, if achieved, will hang around until an ill wind blows. Australia is a wake up call to me...they crushed nice, engraved, historical, family heirloom pieces that in no way represented a threat to society.

 

[mark-hunter]

Just for my understanding, what happened with confiscation during hurricane Katarina?

 

[John Wasmuth]

Just for my understanding, what happened with confiscation during hurricane Katarina?

In short, after the storm hit there was wide spread illegal confiscation of legally owned firearms by law enforcement leaving citizens unable to protect themselves from looters and Villains.

 

[mark-hunter]

Thanks for explanation, John Wasmuth.

 

[Doubleplay]

You said that it had never happened, well I proved to you that it did happen. You claim that my statement is baseless just to further my argument about confiscation. And you are basing your assumption that it didn't happen because your son was carrying a gun on campus and most likely illegally.

"Also your argument about Katrina or any other natural disaster does not hold water anymore:" Tell that to all the New Orleans citizens who lost thousands of Dollars' worth, and they still have not recovered any weapons confiscated. They'll be lucky if they are useable by now.

You are lucky you are not an FFL holder anymore, have you read about the raids from the ATF? Or that is baseless too? The ignore button is a beautiful thing. Have a great day!

First off to educate you couldn't carry a gun on the campus because all the campuses was closed after Katrina so there was no illegality.
Shortly after the storm, the NRA and other gun groups sued the city police department, eventually reaching a court-brokered settlement that required the police to return confiscated guns to their rightful owners. The department revealed it had taken 552 guns into custody.
Most if not all the guns confiscated in Katrina returned to owners around 2015.
You are just relaying half truths and misleading comments from a corrupt organization like NRA who's sole mission is to pay millions of dollars to its directors and install fear to boost their income.
I'm a life member but they are not getting a dime from me since corruption took hold.

This is what happened in New Orleans from a credible source:
Brannon LeBouef, a shooting instructor and security consultant, was a New Orleans Marine veteran and reserve police officer who participated in the storm response. By 2013, he’d heard so many fantastical Katrina rumors that it was time to set the record straight. “There was NOT widespread gun confiscation in New Orleans,” he wrote on the Bang Switch, a pro-gun blog sympathetic to the Oath Keepers (current and former military and law enforcement officers who vow to disobey government orders that violate civil rights) and the NRA. Gun-grabbing “was nowhere near as widespread as some would have you believe,” and the confiscations LeBoeuf could confirm “were isolated incidents” done largely by “out of town” cops and soldiers, part of an alphabet soup of agencies without clear missions or lines of responsibility.


You have a nice day, too.

 

[Doubleplay]

In short, after the storm hit there was wide spread illegal confiscation of legally owned firearms by law enforcement leaving citizens unable to protect themselves from looters and Villains.

Not true at all.
Read my post above.

 

[Boyd Brooks]

 

[Brent in Az]

Click on the name you want to ignore, and it’s next to the tab to start a private conversation.

The ignore function is pretty worthless. People on the ignore list can still comment on your posts. A block function would be better.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

The IDF seems to be really dragging things out. Surely the only way to end this is to get into the tunnels and accept casualties? Now old sippy cup is placing restrictions upon them.

 

[steve white]

Just for my understanding, what happened with confiscation during hurricane Katarina?

Law enforcement entered homes, boats, and asked if they had any firearms whatsoever. If they did, they were confiscated--they even tackled and pile-drived one old lady who said she needed it for personal protection. Looting, given an unarmed populace, was rampant. Government was not legally called on the carpet. Grrrrr. You would not think it could happen in America, and at the most vulnerable time--during a national weather emergency!!

 

[steve white]

The IDF seems to be really dragging things out. Surely the only way to end this is to get into the tunnels and accept casualties? Now old sippy cup is placing restrictions upon them.

No, kill them and save your soldiers for the future. Carbon monoxide, water--flush them out. Maybe seal them inside permanently. Don't play with them--they are expecting Israel to play by a losing playbook while they don't!

 

[Red Leg]

The IDF seems to be really dragging things out. Surely the only way to end this is to get into the tunnels and accept casualties? Now old sippy cup is placing restrictions upon them.

I have to disagree with you Kevin. This isn't Stalingrad or Berlin, but it is still a large, highly complex cityscape with the added dimension of a large underground warren of tunnels and fighting positions. We must also add in the hostage dimension. Though the IDF seems not to have curtailed its efforts because of the hostages, I have no doubt every unit commander has their fate firmly in mind. Lastly, the IDF has always valued its soldiers' lives and never sacrificed them where firepower will substitute. I am frankly surprised how quickly they have isolated the battlefield and are reducing the Hamas strongpoints.

For a comparison, the closest modern example might be the second battle of Fallujah in the fall of 2004. There, roughly 15,000 total coalition forces took six-weeks to clear a largely abandoned city of perhaps 2000 remaining insurgents. The IDF is facing a more complex battlefield and larger enemy force.

 

[mdwest]

I am frankly surprised how quickly they have isolated the battlefield and are reducing the Hamas strongpoints.

This is what has surprised me the most..

I expected them to breach the walls and enter Gaza about the time frame that they did..

But I thought it would be a slower and much harder fight to isolate Gaza City and Gaza in general. Theyve done a pretty exceptional job so far from what I can tell.. Taking minimal casualties, while inflicting pretty substantial losses on Hamas..

Doing that against an entrenched asymmetric enemy in an urban environment is no easy feat..

 

[bowjijohn]

They are, though, up against the clock

Western backbone is starting to suffer from a touch of bone necrosis as it attempts to appease disparate groups in order to maintain a strategic position

(It’s one thing to do deals with the elites that run the Middle East- it is quite another to keep their populations under control)

I don’t believe that Israel will ultimately be hugely influenced by western concerns

It is after all facing an intolerable situation

It will not, however, wish to piss off its western allies more than necessary

I suspect a major push to clear out the rats nests over the next few days before (political) damage control skews the calculus towards a reduction in military action

 

[John Wasmuth]

Not true at all.
Read my post above.

No thanks, I don’t read fiction….. have a nice day.

 

[Doubleplay]

No thanks, I don’t read fiction….. have a nice day.

Ignorance is bliss.
You have a nice day, too.