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[OxfordTheCat]

I think 90% of this has to do with the illegal immigrants, human trafficking, and drugs coming into the States and our "trading partners" doing next to zero about it

You mentioned 24 000 migrants intercepted from Canada to US in 2024.
There were more than 31 000 illegal crossings from the US to Canada in 2023.

The US border patrol intercepted 5800 kg of drugs at the Canadian border in 2024.
Canadian border patrol intercepted 8300kg coming into Canada from the US.

... Not to mention the proliferation of illegal guns flowing unchecked from the US.

Canada has a US drug and migrant problem. Not the other way around.
And on both counts, the US should be targeting the southern border. The actual source of the vast majority of migrants and drugs, as you might reasonably expect.

 

[deewayne2003]

Really?

How? By becoming part of the US?
Surely you realize that's never going to happen.

We already had an agreement in place on all these issues. "The most fair and balanced trade agreement in history". The US reneged on it.

What good is a trade partner that doesn't abide by their own agreements?

Your argument reflects a complete lack of understanding of USMCA/NAFTA..

@mdwest said it perfectly, your either lacking the understanding or as I believe more likely purposefully ignoring it.

Yes by knuckling under in the face of oppression should leave us in a favourable trading position the next time someone wants to renegotiate shouldn’t it?

First of all what oppression? - Canadian import duties/tariffs are already blatantly lop sided against US imports; so it's a simple fix.... Make your import costs for USA goods the same as the USA does for Canadian goods and the problem is solved.

However you've made it quite clear that anything other than a massive trade advantage for Canada is simply unfair to you and your countrymen; and I'm sorry you feel that way but NOTHING will change you or your governments opinion so this will have to be solved with math.....

When the addition and subtractions are tallied up if Canada is right about how much the US needs their products more than the vise verse of the situation; then I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before Canada wins the trade war and your opinions will be fully validated.

Until that day comes though, I'm still optimistic for the future........

 

[Fastrig]

I’ve posted the statistics before you can look back if you want to reference it. The amount of fentanyl confiscated at the Canadian boarder last year was reported in grams the Mexican boarder it was tons. You’ve got your timeline backwards the security issues were the excuse to break the trade deal.

The Drugs from down south, absolutely....talking about the sharp rise in illegals coming in from the north...see previous post on that...we are getting hammered here with the cost of illegals, associated crime, etc. Trump campaigned hard on this, it's one of the things people here are exhausted with, and his pledge to stop it helped get him elected....he's following through on his pledge to stop it....the one thing about Trump is he does what he says he's going to do, or at least tries. Everyone might not agree with How he goes about it, but he isn't blowing smoke and doing nothing. I don't always agree either, but I'd rather have some action than the typical lip service we get too often.

 

[Wheels]

I’ve posted the statistics before you can look back if you want to reference it. The amount of fentanyl confiscated at the Canadian boarder last year was reported in grams the Mexican boarder it was tons. You’ve got your timeline backwards the security issues were the excuse to break the trade deal.

Agree the amount of fentanyl confiscated at the Canadian border is minimal compared to Mexico. Making the comparison however is difficult since America prior to Trump did little enforcement. The single fentanyl lab bust in BC last fall could evidently produce x100-x1,000 more grams than were confiscated at the border during the Biden Administration.

Canada also does little to inspect or stop the chemicals that come into Canada that create fentanyl and evidently has done nothing to enforce the stoppage of those chemicals since Trump's inauguration, which is playing a significant part in Trump's decisions.

The RCMP said recently there are over 4,000 gangs or criminal organizations, most of whom are trafficking drugs across the American border. I am sure they are selling more in Canada than America but will sell anywhere they can market.

It seems the amount of fentanyl stopped vs the amount coming across the border is an apples to oranges comparison.

Regarding security issues I agree. There were more illegal aliens on the terrorist watch list during the Biden Administration that crossed the Canadian border than the Mexican border.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

@mdwest said it perfectly, your either lacking the understanding or as I believe more likely purposefully ignoring it.


First of all what oppression? - Canadian import duties/tariffs are already blatantly lop sided against US imports; so it's a simple fix.... Make your import costs for USA goods the same as the USA does for Canadian goods and the problem is solved.

However you've made it quite clear that anything other than a massive trade advantage for Canada is simply unfair to you and your countrymen; and I'm sorry you feel that way but NOTHING will change you or your governments opinion so this will have to be solved with math.....

When the addition and subtractions are tallied up if Canada is right about how much the US needs their products more than the vise verse of the situation; then I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before Canada wins the trade war and your opinions will be fully validated.

Until that day comes though, I'm still optimistic for the future........

A country of 40million is trading to within 60billion of a country with a population of 340million

8875$ imported by each Canadian last year
1232$ imported by each American last year

There is the real trade deficit and it’s not in your favour.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

@mdwest said it perfectly, your either lacking the understanding or as I believe more likely purposefully ignoring it.


First of all what oppression? - Canadian import duties/tariffs are already blatantly lop sided against US imports; so it's a simple fix.... Make your import costs for USA goods the same as the USA does for Canadian goods and the problem is solved.

However you've made it quite clear that anything other than a massive trade advantage for Canada is simply unfair to you and your countrymen; and I'm sorry you feel that way but NOTHING will change you or your governments opinion so this will have to be solved with math.....

When the addition and subtractions are tallied up if Canada is right about how much the US needs their products more than the vise verse of the situation; then I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before Canada wins the trade war and your opinions will be fully validated.

Until that day comes though, I'm still optimistic for the future........

Oxford the cat was directly quoting trump

 

[Fastrig]

You mentioned 24 000 migrants intercepted from Canada to US in 2024.
There were more than 31 000 illegal crossings from the US to Canada in 2023.

The US border patrol intercepted 5800 kg of drugs at the Canadian border in 2024.
Canadian border patrol intercepted 8300kg coming into Canada from the US.

... Not to mention the proliferation of illegal guns flowing unchecked from the US.

Canada has a US drug and migrant problem. Not the other way around.
And on both counts, the US should be targeting the southern border. The actual source of the vast majority of migrants and drugs, as you might reasonably expect.

The last administration turned a blind eye to the southern border, that's just the plain truth, what you are getting is a tiny fraction of what we are getting. That still doesn't mean that we aren't now getting a large influx of illegals from the north side as well, we are. Trump is trying to stop all of this, so y'all should benefit from his efforts as well, but he is demanding that our neighbors start stepping up and helping....

 

[SaintPanzer]

You mentioned 24 000 migrants intercepted from Canada to US in 2024.
There were more than 31 000 illegal crossings from the US to Canada in 2023.

To be fair, some of those might have been those celebrities who said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected.

 

[deewayne2003]

I’ve posted the statistics before you can look back if you want to reference it. The amount of fentanyl confiscated at the Canadian boarder last year was reported in grams the Mexican boarder it was tons. You’ve got your timeline backwards the security issues were the excuse to break the trade deal.

You should really watch this video of a CANADIAN journalist who was traveling back and forth from Canada to Mexico documenting how the cartels were setting up labs in Canada because the northern border was easier to move contraband across....

It's just part of the full length interview where she covers all aspects... from the Canadian mules bringing the drugs across the border to the Mexican cartel members flying into Vancouver to set up the labs and even Chinese Fentanyl chefs being brought in for training.

She even covers how she asked Canadian drug enforcement about the Fentanyl labs in Canada and they said.....

"There are no labs in Canada, if there were we would know about them."

So I would chalk up the lack of Canadian drug confiscations to lack of enforcement/ burying their heads in the sand to act like there is not a problem....

This would allow the Canadian government to continue to act like the tariffs are completely unjustified as to continue playing the perpetual victim card.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

You should really watch this video of a CANADIAN journalist who was traveling back and forth from Canada to Mexico documenting how the cartels were setting up labs in Canada because the northern border was easier to move contraband across....

It's just part of the full length interview where she covers all aspects... from the Canadian mules bringing the drugs across the border to the Mexican cartel members flying into Vancouver to set up the labs and even Chinese Fentanyl chefs being brought in for training.

She even covers how she asked Canadian drug enforcement about the Fentanyl labs in Canada and they said.....

"There are no labs in Canada, if there were we would know about them."

So I would chalk up the lack of Canadian drug confiscations to lack of enforcement/ burying their heads in the sand to act like there is not a problem....

This would allow the Canadian government to continue to act like the tariffs are completely unjustified as to continue playing the perpetual victim card.

Who stops a car leaving Canada entering the United States and inspects it? There for who reports how much was stopped at the Canadian boarder? Those numbers are your own.

 

[deewayne2003]

Oxford the cat was directly quoting trump

Yes I am perfectly aware, as I said.... you are both blatantly ignoring facts for what is convenient to you.

Case in point - See the video I posted above, notice how a journalist of your own nationality completely dismantles the "statistics" you put forward in your arguments about drugs crossing the border.

"Those numbers are your own".... Look at the time stamps, you didn't even have time to watch the video before discarding it with a random quip.

 

[Fastrig]

You should really watch this video of a CANADIAN journalist who was traveling back and forth from Canada to Mexico documenting how the cartels were setting up labs in Canada because the northern border was easier to move contraband across....

It's just part of the full length interview where she covers all aspects... from the Canadian mules bringing the drugs across the border to the Mexican cartel members flying into Vancouver to set up the labs and even Chinese Fentanyl chefs being brought in for training.

She even covers how she asked Canadian drug enforcement about the Fentanyl labs in Canada and they said.....

"There are no labs in Canada, if there were we would know about them."

So I would chalk up the lack of Canadian drug confiscations to lack of enforcement/ burying their heads in the sand to act like there is not a problem....

This would allow the Canadian government to continue to act like the tariffs are completely unjustified as to continue playing the perpetual victim card.

Look the other way, nothing to see here, just move along there are no problems, oh, your child was murdered?, sorry but there is no relationship to border issues.....sounds like the last four years at our southern border....better wake up Canada, you really don't want this crap.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Well I don't know about anyone else, but I'm convinced:

No need to look at the actual data, or the evidence from enforcement - a podcaster has made a video.

I have moved on to more important things, and will leave border issues to the experts:

 

[deewayne2003]

Well I don't know about anyone else, but I'm convinced:

No need to look at the actual data, or the evidence from enforcement - a podcaster has made a video.

Damn right.... The podcaster is calling out the lies of your government and shedding light on the blatant lies you keep putting forth as the evil orange man is oppressing you.

"There are lies, damn lies and statistics" - Mark Twain.

Your own countryman didn't bring statistics - She brought a video camera and all the receipts to prove what she is saying.

You can only bring ...... Statistics

Statistics published by a government trying to shed blame and cover their ass.

 

[OxfordTheCat]

Damn right.... The podcaster is calling out the lies of your government and shedding light on the blatant lies you keep putting forth as the evil orange man is oppressing you.
...
You can only bring ...... Statistics

And with appropriate respect, I will probably continue to defer to enforcement statistics from the border security outfits of both nations, rather than that guy's Youtube channel.

 

[shootist~]

It’s per kg of milk fat , I’ll pm you some information tonight when I get home. Not only do they have to buy quota at 24000 per cow there has to be quota on the market to buy.

It still doesn't make any sense (to me) considering the value of butterfat in the US - at the farm - is less than $3.00 per pound ($2.8484 USDA minimum support price +/- location adjustments for March). A gallon of whole milk at 3.25% B.F. would have 0.28 pounds of milk fat.

But I'll assume it's a Very high tax on the Canadian dairy farmer. And apparently a Cash Cow for the Canadian tax collector instead of the Canadian consumer or farmer.

Skimming (no pun) over a NAFTA related article it appears a certain amount of dairy exports from the US was to be allowed but are blocked by other Canadian protectionist measures.

A complicated mess, but not free trade - which NAFTA was supposedly about.

My $.02/cwt as an old retired dairy industry accountant.

 

[Fastrig]

And with appropriate respect, I will probably continue to defer to enforcement statistics from the border security outfits of both nations, rather than that guy's Youtube channel.

Understand completely where you are coming from, but would put forth that gooberments flat out lie and/or twist data for their own agenda, so does the mainstream media.....believe none of what you are told and half of what you hear/see until proven otherwise, that's always been my point of reference. Ignoring the plausible is a good way to find yourself in trouble at some point...the cartels are more than capable of doing what this young woman is reporting, I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

It still doesn't make any sense (to me) considering the value of butterfat in the US - at the farm - is less than $3.00 per pound ($2.8484 USDA minimum support price +/- location adjustments for March). A gallon of whole milk at 3.25% B.F. would have 0.28 pounds of milk fat.

But I'll assume it's a Very high tax on the Canadian dairy farmer. And apparently a Cash Cow for the Canadian tax collector instead of the Canadian consumer or farmer.

Skimming (no pun) over a NAFTA related article it appears a certain amount of dairy exports from the US was to be allowed but are blocked by other Canadian protectionist measures.

A complicated mess, but not free trade - which NAFTA was supposedly about.

My $.02/cwt as an old retired dairy industry accountant.

I’ll take another stab at explaining it when I get home tonight from the woodlot.

 

[Red Leg]

Fortunately the retaliatory tariffs with Canada and the restrictions on Ukraine military aid and intel cooperation were both resolved this afternoon. I suspect Ukraine has a pretty good list of targets to quickly service with ATACMS, SCALP, and Storm Shadow before any ceasefire goes into effect.

Ball is in the Russian court now and they have been very vocal what they will not do. Let's see if Trump's word is good with respect to their intransigence.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

It still doesn't make any sense (to me) considering the value of butterfat in the US - at the farm - is less than $3.00 per pound ($2.8484 USDA minimum support price +/- location adjustments for March). A gallon of whole milk at 3.25% B.F. would have 0.28 pounds of milk fat.

But I'll assume it's a Very high tax on the Canadian dairy farmer. And apparently a Cash Cow for the Canadian tax collector instead of the Canadian consumer or farmer.

Skimming (no pun) over a NAFTA related article it appears a certain amount of dairy exports from the US was to be allowed but are blocked by other Canadian protectionist measures.

A complicated mess, but not free trade - which NAFTA was supposedly about.

My $.02/cwt as an old retired dairy industry accountant.

1970 dairy quota was imposed in Canada. The original crop of quota was free for dairy farmers at the time. The current price of 24000 per kg of bf (butter fat). One kg of quota allows a dairy farmer to sell all the whole milk it takes to equal 1 kg of bf. Approximately the equivalent of the milk produced by one cow per day. The average Canadian dairy farm milks 73 cows. 98 percent of Canadian dairy farms are still family owned.

Farms that are in the same family as 1970 have on average increased in equity by 1752000$ due to the value quota places on the market share controlled by the farm. The implementation of quota allowed for dairy farmers to have a value on their farms beyond the infrastructure and herds.

When a farmer is ready to retire he can sell his farm outright and the future owner can take over his operations. Alternatively he can sell his quota back to the dairy board who will then find a buyer at the market price currently 24000. The dairy board is made up of dairy producers marketers and the dairy commission. They are responsible for screening and selling the quota. They also keep the quota out of the hands of corporate farms.

There have been times when the dairy quota has been expanded crossed the board meet an increase of need in the market. Otherwise if a dairy farmer wants to expand they have to purchase quota from the dairy board at the market price provided there is quota to buy. Also a farmer can be penalized for not filling quota they own. So that a farmer can’t sit on quota to effect the market price.

Through this quota system milk prices are regulated high enough to keep the farmers in business while still low enough for the consumer to afford.

Now onto how this effects trade, how could a Canadian dairy farmer who is working under the above conditions compete with a U.S. dairy farmer that is operating in a free market where he/she could expand at will. A dairy farmer which is also being subsidized by the U.S. government. U.S. dairy is subsidized to the tune of 15-19 billion annually. 2015 the highest year on record was 22.2 billion. The Canadian government allows for a percentage of U.S. milk on the market and once that quota is met only then is a tariff applied. The current tariff on U.S. milk is 215%.