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As someone who has half baked considered adding a rifle in one of these cartridges to the collection, it appears that the 500 Jeffery is the easier path to take. More factory rifles available in it, easier to convert existing actions to 500J v 505 Gibbs etc. The only real let down is that...

That sounds like a great weight for a 375HH haha.

Interesting, is that the Brown Bear model with the laminate stock? Did you scope it? Add weight by any other means.

I calculated the recoil using 100gr which said 113.67 ft-lb of recoil….not sure if the powder charge is accurate for that projectile weight.

Full house Norma 500 Jeffery rounds out of a 9.0 lb Sako remains to be the absolute most brutal "sporty" recoil I have ever experienced. 540 gr @ 2,400 fps. 570 gr @ 2,200 fps. It must be Stockholm syndrome but I keep thinking about this cartridge, albeit in a 12.0 lbs bolt gun.

470NE isn't so bad. Comparable to 458 recoil, just in a heavier package.

A Big Game in 416 Rigby would be the classic pairing and what I would go with. With that said, has there been any consideration on adding additional cartridge offerings?

Saving up for one as we speak, dream rifle.

Just goes to show that despite the 458 WM's reputation on this forum as being a "pea-shooter" it really needs to be in an appropriately weighted rifle to tame that recoil. I think a 458WM should weigh 10.0lbs minimum which would reduce that recoil to ~64 ft-lbs. My svelte 458WM weighs 8.6lbs...

Mostly browse the hunting forums, recently retired.

Nice bears! Romania is on my short list.

I hope they will release an expanded cartridge list of what all this will be offered in, following the 375HH and 458 Lott.

I believe the argument was not only related to the increased recoil, but the increased rifle weight as well which is becoming too cumbersome to carry on safari. A typical 577NE double is in the 13lbs range, A 600 NE is 16lbs+ and 700NE is 18lbs +. We are now beyond the era of gun bearers where...

Just repeating what I've heard stated by several of the Pros now that the 577NE is the upper limit of what is still usable in a hunting rifle to carry. The idea is that the 600NE, 700NE, 577 T-REX, 600 Overkill etc. are beyond that limit and are purely exercises in exuberance. I have a...

Bears in North America yes, Cape Buffalo in Africa no. A hot 45-70 load produces about the same energy as a 180gr 30.06, with far worse sectional density.

The 577NE seems like a downright sensible choice compared to those other two, also the uppermost cartridge threshold that is "reasonable" to be used by hunters or PH's according to Dr. Robertson.

This might just be the next CZ550 (in concept).

so that means no 416 Rigby or 505 Gibbs but every other DG cartridge should fit (I think).

If one were current at 0/5 and was considering future hunts, would grouping species into combo hunts be the most cost effective way to go about this? Do you get better prices on elephant / buffalo trophy fees if they are grouped into the same hunt vs individual?

Anyone have footage of a 577 T-Rex or 600 Overkill being used in the field? Particularly on game?

That’s a great price.

For me, factory ammo availability is more of a consideration. I have no problem plinking with $10 cartridges as long as I can find them in stock (416 Rigby, 458 WM, 470 NE). Finding something like factory 505 Gibbs or 500 Jeffery is near impossible here so there is less appeal.

My current dilemma. Do I top out at 470NE or keep climbing this ridiculous ladder and buy a 0.500 of some sort?....just because.

Wow! what a cartridge. What are the ballistics of the 550 Magnum?

Can't seem to find any of their social media announcing who won the Highland Stalker or Big Game PH.

Rigby Highland Stalker in 275 Rigby for PG Rigby Big Game in 416 Rigby for DG

Hello fellow Rokslider.

Those are pushfeeds right?

458 WM really is the Everyman’s Dangerous Game cartridge. My only wish is that more ammo companies would produce new loads for it. I’d likely to see 350gr @ 2,500 fps and a hot 500gr @ 2,200 fps.

Any other industry rumors of new products coming down the line?

That was a great write up, are you submitting that for your thesis?

I have a feeling that the 550 line will never be topped, but I would be supportive of a "premium 600 Lux Magnum" that came with a finer cut of wood, higher quality touch points, Magnum length action etc.

Thinking in the most practical sense, I could see companies adding the least "exotic" of the DG cartridges. This would likely result in 416 Ruger/Rem Mag instead of 416 Rigby, 458WM/458 Lott instead of 450 Rigby Not sure if Sako would opt for another 0.510 cal as anything beyond the 0.458...

Where is the updated version?

There have been several threads now regarding the continual decline of this niche industry with rifle and ammo manufacturers discontinuing their Dangerous Game offerings, this thread however will be focused on the opposite. Post any new releases here whether they be confirmed or just rumors...

I wasn't aware 600gr class projectiles were available for 458 calibers. That has an impressive S.D. of 0.409!

@RIGBY don't leave us hanging!

With the sky high prices of hunts these days, a 25% tip seems outrageous. I’d rather a 10-15% tip be baked into the hunt cost from the start and be done with this game of tipping enough after the hunt has completed or guides/outfitters and staff complaining that you didn’t tip enough.

Yeah that would strike a nerve with me as well, but you're almost held hostage in that situation in the middle of nowhere, with 4 trophies. I keep reading stories like this regarding hunting in the Stan's. It sounds like "customer service" is far superior in Africa and Europe.

Sounds like a grand adventure that was unfortunately ruined by the camp staff. Also tipping 9 individuals seems excessive...is that a typical number of camp staff for this part of the world?

What a beast! You don't happen to have a 450 Rigby or 416 Rigby on hand do you to show the visual comparison vs the Gibbs?

I wonder how the 450gr 458WM (Barnes) load compares to the full power loads? Velocity is 2,240 fps, energy is 5,115 ft-lbs. Here is loading data. Barnes Powder Charge

What calibers do most hunt Romanian Brown bear with?

500 Jeffery is to the 505 Gibbs what the 416 Ruger is to the 416 Rigby and the 458WM to the 450 NE.

I really wish I had the opportunity to shoot 416 Rigby Vs 416 RemMag Vs 416 Ruger back to back in equally weighted rifles to see if the difference in recoil is perceivable. It should be the most noticeable between the Rigby and Ruger. Would also be a neat experiment to shoot both a 458 WM...

Both are off the Richter scale. Edit: It looks like the 505 was included, but only in 525gr.

I plan on bringing my 338 WM Normas 230gr Oyrx bullet on my first PG hunt.

As someone who also dreams of a future elephant hunt, nothing out of South Africa is exportable, correct? I'm not even sure if I can import ANY ivory back here to Canada with the recent changes..

Also something going on with the 458WM & 458 Lott data. Showing only a grain difference between loads and the Lott is rated at 2,150 fps?

As someone who owns both a 458WM and 470NE it’s an interesting comparison between the two and how much “less efficient” the 470NE is. All the classic African cartridges with voluptuous case capacities (Cordite) will score poorly here compared to their standard action brethren. Also, where’s...