375 H&H or 458 Lott

[WoodencrossIII]

375HH is the more versatile of the two but everyone should own at least one thumper that punches above the 375s and 416s.

Maybe consider swapping the Lott for a 458 WinMag or 470NE for similar performance without the recoil penalty.

That’s a good idea, just curious how does the 470 NE do? Isn’t that a 458 blown out to take .475 bullets?

 

[Northern Shooter]

That’s a good idea, just curious how does the 470 NE do? Isn’t that a 458 blown out to take .475 bullets?

500 NE was the parent case of the 470NE. It produces the same ballistics as the 458 WinMag 500 gr @ 2,150 fps, albeit with a 0.474 cal bullet.

Much larger powder load than the 458WM but the typical double rifle will weigh about 2 lbs heavier than your average 458 bolt action rifle.

 

[WoodencrossIII]

500 NE was the parent case of the 470NE. It produces the same ballistics as the 458 WinMag 500 gr @ 2,150 fps, albeit with a 0.474 cal bullet.

Much larger powder load than the 458WM but the typical double rifle will weigh about 2 lbs heavier than your average 458 bolt action rifle.

That’s neat yeah a double rifle would be awesome

 

[JG26Irish_2]

This was interesting and that’s pretty awesome accuracy for the 375. I know that really a 375 would probably be better suited to me, just thinking it over, thanks for the reply

It is worth me adding that the group that I shared in my post (if you can call 2-shots a group) was fired with my ER Shaw custom P14 rifle. Not the FN factory rifle. The FN also shoots well but I never tried shooting it past 300y and even then the groups were closer to 3-4". Good for a big mag but not tiny like the Shaw. Also, I never shot the Shaw at 400y any more deeming that to be a waste of good ammo. I would be surprised if it did that all the time. Highly doubtful. Even with the good precision, at that distance with a 6x scope, I have trouble aiming precisely enough to accurately place those groups exactly where I want them. The groups was 4" high and about 3" right of my POA. To be sure it is a 200-300y hunting rifle. Any further and you risk wounding a game animal and going on a long tracking job.

 

[WAB]

The CZ I have is a 458 Lott

My bad.

 

[WoodencrossIII]

My bad.

Your good bro

 

[sgt_zim]

a 375 H&H 300 gr at 2500 fps isn't THAT much flatter than a 458 Lott 500 gr at 2300.

With a 150 yard zero, 375 is less than an inch flatter at 200, and only about 4-6" flatter at 300. And the Lott still has WAY more energy at 300 than a 375

At 400 yards, 375 is about a foot flatter.

If you really want the Ruger, then go for it. But it isn't improving your ballistics by enough to make a practical difference at ordinary hunting distances.

 

[WoodencrossIII]

a 375 H&H 300 gr at 2500 fps isn't THAT much flatter than a 458 Lott 500 gr at 2300.

With a 150 yard zero, 375 is less than an inch flatter at 200, and only about 4-6" flatter at 300. And the Lott still has WAY more energy at 300 than a 375

At 400 yards, 375 is about a foot flatter.

If you really want the Ruger, then go for it. But it isn't improving your ballistics by enough to make a practical difference at ordinary hunting distances.

I’m so thankful for information like this, I have decided to keep my Lott. I can’t bring myself to part with the rifle especially for a potentially lesser gun albeit the 375 is able and capable. I already have the Lott it’s shootable and to me is not unpleasant rather surprisingly, the recoil was to me like a 12 gauge shotgun

 

[sgt_zim]

I’m so thankful for information like this, I have decided to keep my Lott. I can’t bring myself to part with the rifle especially for a potentially lesser gun albeit the 375 is able and capable. I already have the Lott it’s shootable and to me is not unpleasant rather surprisingly, the recoil was to me like a 12 gauge shotgun

We always joke about the rainbow trajectories of a lot of cartridges, but for modern cartridges, they're all generally within a few inches of each other out to 250 or 300 yards on a 150 or 200 yard zero. There gets to be a pretty big difference between some of them at that distance if they're zeroed at 100 yards, but at 150 or 200, for the most part there's just no meaningful difference in trajectory until you get past about 300 yards.

 

[WoodencrossIII]

We always joke about the rainbow trajectories of a lot of cartridges, but for modern cartridges, they're all generally within a few inches of each other out to 250 or 300 yards on a 150 or 200 yard zero. There gets to be a pretty big difference between some of them at that distance if they're zeroed at 100 yards, but at 150 or 200, for the most part there's just no meaningful difference in trajectory until you get past about 300 yards.

I think with maybe some lighter bullets say a good Barnes or really anything that will open up and being 300-400 gr the trajectory wouldn’t be bad honestly a guy can learn to shoot any of them, running 500 grain bullets can learn the trajectory it’s just now if your too slow will they open up? I want disruption too.

 

[Franco]

I’m so thankful for information like this, I have decided to keep my Lott. I can’t bring myself to part with the rifle especially for a potentially lesser gun albeit the 375 is able and capable. I already have the Lott it’s shootable and to me is not unpleasant rather surprisingly, the recoil was to me like a 12 gauge shotgun

You either have one hell of a 12 gauge shotgun or one hell of a shoulder.

I have fired 3 shot groups with mine - it's impressive at the range when the third shot breaks the steel plate.

 

[ldmay375]

The CZ I have is a 458 Lott

If yours is like mine, a 458 Winchester / 458 Lott, you should have plenty of bullet free travel and magazine length to accompany it.
If you hand load for your specific rifle.

I have not played around much with my CZ. But, I did make up a few dummy cartridges with a few different 325, 350, 400 grain bullets. I don't recall the precise lengths, but definitely longer than what I can fit in my MRC 458 Lott magazine.

The Hammer Bullets 404 grain Stone Hammer seems to be the do-all bullet for a non-conventional expanding "type". With an estimated bc of a bit over .400, if correct, its flight path is not shabby. From my limited experience at 100 yards / meters it groups very well out of my MRC. And, from others' experiences it works stellar on Cape Buffalo. If the bc is in the ballpark, a 2" high 100 yard sight-in is plenty good for me to 250 yards. Whitetail deer size game and larger, it should work as a hold on hair type trajectory at 250 yards.

The 325 grain CEB #13 Safari Solid, 350 grain North Forth Expanding solids, and the 380 grain Lehigh WFN solid can easily achieve some rather impressive velocities.

The 380 grain Lehigh has a big flat point. The bullet was actually designed for 45-70 lever guns, but with the right seating depth it feeds fine in 2ea 458 Winchester and 2ea 458 Lotts that I have.

Quite a few bullets lighter weight bullets to play with in the .458's. I am still in the .375 and .416 camp for North American sized game. I am particularly fond of the 416 Ruger and Remington with the 325 and 350 grain bullets for my use.
The .375's with the available 250-270 grain bullets definitely are not trajectory slouches. And certainly work on moose from some steep angling shots also.

 

[Green Chile]

The Lott is a very specific tool. The 375 is an adjustable wrench and a Swiss Army knife all in one piece of kit.

 

[skydiver386]

I'm surprised that nobody has suggested you complete your collection by adding a .375, a .416, a .470 and a .500!

 

[meigsbucks]

I have a .375, .416 Ruger and #1 in .458 Lott. Is the Lott needed? After seeing the .416 in action, I don’t think it is “needed”, but nothing wrong with having one. Mine will be going on my next buff hunt.
The .375 is definitely the most versatile, but if you handload, the .416’s aren’t far behind and hit harder on the big stuff.