416 Rigby bullet seating

[The_Wanderer]

Okay so i'm having some trouble with reloading.

It relates to bullet seating- I have loaded 243 and 3006 rounds no worries, and small amount of 375 H&H.

Using this set up I found that the case shoulder is getting pushed back.... upon closer look, my die(hornady) threads are too shallow, so I can't screw the seater die down to engage the thread in the press(Lyman Crusher 2), before feeling resistance on the case would changing dies work or am I up for another press

has any one else experienced this issue? or is just me?

cheers
TW

 

[Clayton]

Without knowing any more, I'm guessing you're Full Length resizing. I'd think if you're setting the shoulder back then your die needs to be backed off a bit. If the threads aren't there to do that, then a new sizing die should be the fix.

If you're only Neck resizing, the same thing should apply. Good luck with this.

 

[The_Wanderer]

Without knowing any more, I'm guessing you're Full Length resizing. I'd think if you're setting the shoulder back then your die needs to be backed off a bit. If the threads aren't there to do that, then a new sizing die should be the fix.

If you're only Neck resizing, the same thing should apply. Good luck with this.

yes definitely FLS, any recommendations on the dies?

 

[Clayton]

Being narrow minded I've always used RCBS & have a couple of Forster seating dies.

I can't help but believe there has to be an adjustment you can make to solve this.

 

[Grumulkin]

yes definitely FLS, any recommendations on the dies?

What press are you using?

If it's a press by Lee, Hornady, Redding or RCBS, there should be enough threads on the die to permit screwing it in to the press without feeling resistance to a case. If you have some different brand of press that could potentially be the problem but I suspect it's a defect in the die and if so Hornady should replace it. I needed a trim die once and the die maker (RCBS if I remember correctly) got it wrong TWICE.

Also, are you sure your dies are 416 Rigby dies? Does it say that anywhere on the die? It's also possible Hornady labeled something wrong.

 

[Shootist43]

I'm having trouble understanding your post. The shoulder being pushed back can only be caused by the sizing die being screwed in to far, assuming of course that it is in fact the correct die and not miss-marked. The bullet seating die has two threaded components. There is some leeway in the adjustment of those two components, if the part of the die that is screwed into the press is inserted too far, the top portion can be backed off a little. If on the other hand the bottom part of the die is not inserted far enough, the top portion can be screwed in a tad further to yield the desired overall length.. On this size cartridge I would use a Lee Factory crimp die and not try to install a roll crimp with the seating die.

 

[The_Wanderer]

I'm having trouble understanding your post. The shoulder being pushed back can only be caused by the sizing die being screwed in to far, assuming of course that it is in fact the correct die and not miss-marked. The bullet seating die has two threaded components. There is some leeway in the adjustment of those two components, if the part of the die that is screwed into the press is inserted too far, the top portion can be backed off a little. If on the other hand the bottom part of the die is not inserted far enough, the top portion can be screwed in a tad further to yield the desired overall length.. On this size cartridge I would use a Lee Factory crimp die and not try to install a roll crimp with the seating die.

Ive looked into the lee crimp die its not listed I have to post a cartridge back to get one custom made- Living in Australia this could be difficult. Do you know anywhere that might stock them in the US that would ship to Oz?

her is what i have tried

The second case is when the die is just screwed into the die and bullet seater screwed out.

 

[Clayton]

That's COLLAPSED shoulders! There's something else going on here. This happens trying to seat the bullet, right? Are the bullets the correct diameter? Have you checked the inside diameter of the case necks? Checked the diameter of the expander in the sizing die?

 

[The_Wanderer]

That's COLLAPSED shoulders! There's something else going on here. This happens trying to seat the bullet, right? Are the bullets the correct diameter? Have you checked the inside diameter of the case necks? Checked the diameter of the expander in the sizing die?

correct,
yes 400g taipans 416 Calibre.
no how do i check the inside diameter? vern callipers
no i havent.
TW

 

[Clayton]

Something wrong in the process of installing the seating die too. It should be in place before the process begins and where is the seating plug for it to guide the bullet?

 

[Clayton]

Vernier Calipers. I've got an old Starrett Dial Caliper that's served me well for ever.

 

[The_Wanderer]

Just pulled the die apart def 416 pulled it apart and now its working!!! WOOHOO

 

[Clayton]

OK! Glad this turned out well. FYI, if you're going to do any reloading, invest in a good caliper. Helps answer a lot of questions.

 

[The_Wanderer]

I've got a set and it already has

 

[Clayton]

 

[Shootist43]

It sounds like your problem may be solved. Lee only makes the 416 Rigby Factory Crimp Die on a "Custom" basis. And it does require you to send a "dummy " round. The biggest surprise I had while researching this issue is that instead of the die being 7/8 x 14, it is 1 & 1/4 x 12. In short it will not fit in a standard press. However, on another site I just read that you can use a Lee Factory Crimp Die for a 416 Remington which is available, by simply inserting the 416 Rigby in from the top. I can see how this has merit, although I haven't done it. When I try it I think I'll mark the top of the case with a fine Sharpie to get a somewhat uniform crimp. Its a bit of a "jury" rig but it should work.

I just re -watched your video. It looked like you had the seating plug/stem set in the press (perhaps sitting on a case with a bullet in place, and was trying to install the die over it.

 

[The_Wanderer]

Hey Shootist Might leave the die, I'm surprised that a big bore like rigby hasn't had this go "main" stream

 

[Rule 303]

Wanderer the Lyman press you have is a newer version, mine has a collet that screws out to allow the use of the larger dies so I use the Lee 416 Rigby crimping die. However after having this made by lee as a special I read you can get the Lee 416 Rem Factory crimping die opened up a bit so that it will handle the Rigby. Before going down this path I would speak with a gunsmith just to make sure it will work.

 

[larry4831]

I'm having trouble understanding your post. The shoulder being pushed back can only be caused by the sizing die being screwed in to far, assuming of course that it is in fact the correct die and not miss-marked. The bullet seating die has two threaded components. There is some leeway in the adjustment of those two components, if the part of the die that is screwed into the press is inserted too far, the top portion can be backed off a little. If on the other hand the bottom part of the die is not inserted far enough, the top portion can be screwed in a tad further to yield the desired overall length.. On this size cartridge I would use a Lee Factory crimp die and not try to install a roll crimp with the seating die.

I don't think Lee makes a crimp die for a 416 rigby . What I do is get another seating die and set it up to crimp.

 

[Rule 303]

Larry4831 Lee do make a factory crimp die for the 416 Rigby but you have to do a special order for it and it requires a press that will handle the next size up from standard die thread/size. I have one.