7mm 08 for Eland

The eland I shot a couple weeks ago, a 7mm-08 would have been just fine. Completely broadside at about 220 with a rock solid rest. About an hour before that I got set up on a herd of about 40 elands, they were probably close to 400 away and milling around. 7mm-08 would have out of the question. I would rather plan for the worst case and work hard to make it the best case.
 
Will be with my hunting partner chasing eland in less than 3 weeks… she’ll be using a .35 Whelen loaded with 225gr accubonds…

While I’ve seen eland taken with 308 and 30-06, and heard of people taking them with 7x57, 7-08, etc… for me I think a 300 magnum, 338 or 358 of some sort is a much better choice…

The wife owns a beautiful 300 H&H and I built her a 35 Whelen maybe 4 or 5 years ago… when we decided eland was on the menu this year, we considered both.. she decided the .35 Whelen was the winner…

I think she made an excellent choice…

For a 35 whelen on eland, I’d direct you to the 310gr Woodleigh softpoints. Beasts of a bullet when you want to make a gigantic hole in something.
 
Will be with my hunting partner chasing eland in less than 3 weeks… she’ll be using a .35 Whelen loaded with 225gr accubonds…

While I’ve seen eland taken with 308 and 30-06, and heard of people taking them with 7x57, 7-08, etc… for me I think a 300 magnum, 338 or 358 of some sort is a much better choice…

The wife owns a beautiful 300 H&H and I built her a 35 Whelen maybe 4 or 5 years ago… when we decided eland was on the menu this year, we considered both.. she decided the .35 Whelen was the winner…

I think she made an excellent choice…
@mdwest
The Whelen with accubonds should go well but maybe the 225gn Barnes would have been better.
If'n eland is ever on my menu I would use the 275gn Woodleigh PPSN
That's just me tho. I reckon the accubond will acquit its self well
Bob
 
I would wager that over 1/2 the handloaders on this site use loads that exceed established SAAMI pressure specs in all kinds of calibres. An experienced loader can read the signs, and make adjustments long before his rifle "flies apart in different directions " Established SAAMI pressures for some of the older rounds are ridiculously conservative and low (these would include ,257 Roberts - 7X57 - 8mm Mauser - and a number of other older calibres) You can't even get close to the full potential of these calibres if you stick to established SAAMI pressures.

In another post you mentioned a concern with brass - most modern brass for these older calibres is every bit as good and capable of handling pressure, on par with the brass put out for modern calibres - all you have to do is cut a few / crosssection them and compare them, and if you are still concerned cut / cross section a few after a couple of firings and you will be able to get a valid comparison. Quality modern 7X57 brass is perfectly capable of handling every bit as much pressure as 7mm-08 brass. Chances are you will have sticking / stuck cases and pushed out primers long before your brass lets you down.
@Nosler guy
Even tho the loads I use in my Whelen seem excessive they are taken from reputable sources that I doubt would put rifle or shooter in harms way. I don't know much about saami pressures but I work up loads that are safe in MY rifles.
Some of SAAMI specs need to be updated to suit modern rifles and powders as cartridges like the 7mm Mauser, 280 Rem, 257 Roberts, the Whelen and a few others are capable of a lot better performance than listed.
Bob
 
I would have thought that a strong modern action like a ruger 77 hawkeye which easily withstands magnum cartridges like 300wm, 7mm mag, and 375 ruger wouldn't have much trouble safely eating 7x57s loaded to a more modern velocity.

Objectively, it seems that the greater case capacity of the 7x57 should allow it to exceed 7mm-08 velocities at any bullet weight (7mm-08 Remington (R-P): 52.2, grains7x57 Mauser (W-W): 55.6 grains :taken from chuckhawks).

The SAAMI pressure of 51,000 PSI for the 7x57 vs the 61,000 PSI for 7mm-08 seems excessively conservative for modern rifles. I've heard (anecdotally) of guys loading 7x57 to 7mm mag velocities without rifles blowing apart (not that it's a good idea anyway).

I'm not arguing that powder, bullet, and cartridge manufacturers aren't publishing data that says the 7mm-08 loads are always faster. It's just that something seems fishy about a cartridge with a greater capacity not being able to even match another with the same bullets.

I also question the safety concerns over marginally over-pressure loads in strong modern actions. I remember a guy testing a Swedish Mauser (a design considered weaker than the M98) by progressively increasing charges until the rifle failed. If I recall correctly, it took an extremely over loaded cartridge (much more than any handloader would reasonably develop) to actually damage the receiver to the point it could not longer be used, and even then it didn't explode and a potential user would probably not have been injured. And this was with an action considered inferior to the M98.

I am by no means an expert. I'm just curious if there is a rational explanation for the 7mm-08 being faster than the 7x57 in spite of a lower case capacity. Otherwise I'd assume it was just a liability thing related to weak M93s.
@Rocked and Loaded
The only reason the 96 is considered not as strong as the 98 is that it hasn't got the 98s third safety lug but then again not many of the modern rifles have either.
All rifles have a breaking point tho.
Bob
 
@mdwest
The Whelen with accubonds should go well but maybe the 225gn Barnes would have been better.
If'n eland is ever on my menu I would use the 275gn Woodleigh PPSN
That's just me tho. I reckon the accubond will acquit its self well
Bob
Accubond and eland do not match.......
 
On the Eland perhaps your mate could use your rifle???? His can do the job but it is not ideal. Shot placement will be critical as you might imagine.
People have taken eland using a 243 and great shot placement.
I was going to suggest you lend him your 30-06 if there's any doubt. A 200gr A-Frame or similar high end bullet @ 26-2700fps will do it, or a 180gr for that matter. Whichever rifle, put that slug into the engine room. Looking forward to pics on here.
 

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