Ammo & component price increasing

[steve white]

While in the Navy. I had a side assignment and was loaned out to help dispose of old small arms ammo, cannon rounds, Bangalore torpedos etc.
Even old powder used on battleships 16” and smaller guns. I guess I was the only one in the area with that NEC View attachment 573969

Our max limit to blow or burn was 5000 pounds. Per charge.

We got rid of a ridiculous amount of powder, high and low explosives. It was fun. But it has me wondering if they still dispose of explosives, powder and ammo that way.

Here I’m putting a blasting cap into C4 to cook off the whole pile.

Other pic is various stuff we would blow up.

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All so we wouldn't have mil-sure bargains??

 

[steve white]

Just a guess on my part, but I think manufacturers took note of their $30-35 per thousand primers were being resold at $100+ by middlemen and profiters. I received a couple notices from Midway USA this past week about LR and LRM primers being back in stock. The retail prices were all over $100 per thousand and they quickly sold out.

A new primer company, just west of Texarkana, TX, was supposed to come on line soon. Haven't heard any updates, but another manufacturing source might help with supply and maybe drive prices down. Until then, I am shooting and reloading less than I use to.

Could there even be a more "profitability guaranteed" company to found than primer manufacture???

 

[pilar]

Just a guess on my part, but I think manufacturers took note of their $30-35 per thousand primers were being resold at $100+ by middlemen and profiters. I received a couple notices from Midway USA this past week about LR and LRM primers being back in stock. The retail prices were all over $100 per thousand and they quickly sold out.

A new primer company, just west of Texarkana, TX, was supposed to come on line soon. Haven't heard any updates, but another manufacturing source might help with supply and maybe drive prices down. Until then, I am shooting and reloading less than I use to.

Unfortunately hoard buying and reselling @ a profit is a new occupation for many from ammunition & components to Taylor Swift tickets.
on a different website in the classified section everything ammo is listed @ retail +

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Could there even be a more "profitability guaranteed" company to found than primer manufacture???

I Googled the supposedly new primer factory near Texarkana and it isn’t happening. The developer was a bit of a scammer apparently.

 

[Siennacoyote]

Unfortunately hoard buying and reselling @ a profit is a new occupation for many from ammunition & components to Taylor Swift tickets.
on a different website in the classified section everything ammo is listed @ retail +

And as long as they keep finding buyers, it won’t go away

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

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[Ridge Runner]

While in the Navy. I had a side assignment and was loaned out to help dispose of old small arms ammo, cannon rounds, Bangalore torpedos etc.
Even old powder used on battleships 16” and smaller guns. I guess I was the only one in the area with that NEC View attachment 573969

Our max limit to blow or burn was 5000 pounds. Per charge.

We got rid of a ridiculous amount of powder, high and low explosives. It was fun. But it has me wondering if they still dispose of explosives, powder and ammo that way.

Here I’m putting a blasting cap into C4 to cook off the whole pile.

Other pic is various stuff we would blow up.

View attachment 573970

I'm very envious of you.

As a US Army Combat Engineer - with an explosives and demolitions specialty. We had range limitations and were not allowed to detonate more than 45 pounds of ordinance at one time. Well...Actually....that was after we detonated 250 pounds of miscellaneous combination of explosives. The mushroom cloud, the shock wave, the flying debris, etc. was felt and/or seen respectively from several kilometers (as in grid squares) away.

Civilian populace thought the area was under attack.

And "supposedly", some senior ranking NCOs and commanding officers spilled their coffee.

 

[Bert the Turtle]

If the higher prices mean we can actually get the stuff, I’m not totally against a price hike. The current prices are basically theoretical in many if not most cases.

 

[Hogpatrol]

I just priced Alliant powders, RLs of different burn rates, in a LGS at $60 a pound. Others such as IMR and Hodgdon still hovering around $40.

 

[Inline6]

I just priced Alliant powders, RLs of different burn rates, in a LGS at $60 a pound. Others such as IMR and Hodgdon still hovering around $40.

I just purchased 5k 6mm bullets. I'm good for the next year or so. I might need to lay off the competitions a little more. At this rate I don't feel guilty about starting my path on a 375CT or EnABELR. It's going to be more cost effective than I thought haha. The rabbit hole only gets deeper.

 

[Mark Biggerstaff]

I just priced Alliant powders, RLs of different burn rates, in a LGS at $60 a pound. Others such as IMR and Hodgdon still hovering around $40.

Alliant powders $60-65 here also. Others $40-45. And look for price increases and limited Alliant availability next year we have been told.

 

[Hagler.450Ex]

I flat out don't think they are producing any brass. I've got powder, enough for a while anyway, but after 3 whole years of continual excuses from them that don't hold water, I wonder about the brass. A shame that Jamison went out of business. Wish Prvi Partizan would make the larger stuff, at least they are more consistent with what they actually do, unlike Hornady who introduces one thing and drops it the next year, their neon paint jobs that blind you on the boxes of something hammers or blackouts, whatever they are. I was done with Hornady 2 years ago, and Starline is looking the same, not that they had anything useful anyway.

 

[Inline6]

I flat out don't think they are producing any brass. I've got powder, enough for a while anyway, but after 3 whole years of continual excuses from them that don't hold water, I wonder about the brass. A shame that Jamison went out of business. Wish Prvi Partizan would make the larger stuff, at least they are more consistent with what they actually do, unlike Hornady who introduces one thing and drops it the next year, their neon paint jobs that blind you on the boxes of something hammers or blackouts, whatever they are. I was done with Hornady 2 years ago, and Starline is looking the same, not that they had anything useful anyway.

It just business, the people at Hornady are good. If you want to place the order they will make in a lot of 200k (that is what their min order used to be that could have changed). Their is a reason why gun manufacturers stopped making Safaris cartridge rifles...demand is not their. That is not their fault, they are in business to make money.

 

[Hagler.450Ex]

It just business, the people at Hornady are good. If you want to place the order they will make in a lot of 200k (that is what their min order used to be that could have changed). Their is a reason why gun manufacturers stopped making Safaris cartridge rifles...demand is not their. That is not their fault, they are in business to make money.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Inline6]

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

You can also go to Peterson's they will make brass. 18k for the tooling and a minimum order of 20k pieces ( about a 40k investment) . It will be a smaller investment upfront. Point is it cost money to make products. If they sit on the shelf due to lack of demand. Why would you setup to make something that is not going to sell? It's business 101, if you are so sure the brass or ammo will sell. This is America, you can make it happen sell it and make a pile of cash. Just remember if the demand was their, it would be made.

 

[Troubleshooter]

Alliant powders $60-65 here also. Others $40-45. And look for price increases and limited Alliant availability next year we have been told.

Heck, it's been "limited Alliant availability" here for the past four years!

This is one of the reasons that I've been working on alternatives with other brands of powder. Might not be quite as good (in my specific rifle) but good enough for practice loads.

 

[Hunter4752001]

Most of your primers are made by one corporation under various brand names, CCI, Federal, Remington. The last few years have proved that they can sell at whatever price they dream up.

There are relatively few powder manufacturers. Alliant powder are owned by the Vista Outdoors (now CSG ??) Most of the rest have their distribution controlled by Hodgdon, ADI, Win Ball, GD Florida, GD Canada, Accurate, Ramshot, IMR.

Given the current shortage specialist explosive shipping, those companies don't have to worry too much about foreign competition. There will be some, but so small as be of little effect re pricing.

I'm somewhat surprised that US anti-monopoly laws have allowed this to happen, but I can't see it turning around anytime soon.

 

[Hunter-Habib]

What about Winchester ?

 

[Hyde Hunter]

I don't believe the US has enough Gun Powder to support our Military.

not if we a going to keep giving it to the Ukraine since they own Biden

 

[steve white]

Guess I just need to get my income up to match inflation...