Buyer Beware Of Whitworth Arms LLC/doublegunhq

[thriller]

Exactly why I was asking him if the rifle was in truly new condition. It had been for sale for well over a year. For all I know it's been on his gun rack getting finger banged by every customer who walks through the place for over a year. Been there done that!

His website is pretty clunky is probably why it’s been for sale so long. But a friend of mine bought one of his shotguns that have been regulated for slugs and that thing is a killer

 

[CoElkHunter]

I guess three hots and a cot won't be much worse than my recent hospital stay. Where do I turn myself in Mr. GRAMMAR POLICE!? Haha!

Wow! In 12 minutes from your post, Stoppelman was on you like a cheap suit! He almost got me yesterday morning, but in a panic I corrected my snafu. He’s good!

 

[Tanks]

Wow! In 12 minutes from your post, Stoppelman was on you like a cheap suit! He almost got me yesterday morning, but in a panic I corrected my snafu. He’s good!

Funny thing is that he was also wrong. He said "THREAD is the initial *starting* post.", in reality in forums etc.. the starting post is called OP which stands for "original post". I'll leave the correct definition of "thread" to those that are really pedantic.

 

[sestoppelman]

If the post was wrong, it wasnt me. I lifted that explanation off the web. So there.

 

[Tanks]

If the post was wrong, it wasnt me. I lifted that explanation off the web. So there.

Well, here is the definition of thread then, comes up the moment you search for "thread".

..."a theme or characteristic, typically forming one of several, running throughout a situation or piece of writing.""

Perhaps work on your Google-Fu? .

Ultimate thread derail. Discussing definition of thread.

 

[thriller]

If the post was wrong, it wasnt me. I lifted that explanation off the web. So there.

The first rule of the internet is that you cannot trust the internet

 

[TOBY458]

Anyway. In hindsight I wish I hadn't threaded this post. Or posted this thread.

 

[bruce moulds]

458,
we are all richer for this thread.
the o.p. and subsequent posts have been enjoyable.
bruce.

 

[WAB]

If the post was wrong, it wasnt me. I lifted that explanation off the web. So there.

Methinks thou hast too much time on thine hands....

 

[sestoppelman]

And who doesnt?! I reckon everyone who felt the need to post on this has the same problem right? Maybe we should give it a rest.

 

[WAB]

LOL you have a point. Although I’m in a shooting house in the pouring rain so time is what I’ve got. It’s gonna have to be big to get me to shoot tonight.

 

[TNDave]

Cold snowy day here, I love the rabbit trails it has taken!!

 

[Lee in Texas]

That guy gave me some sh*t on another site because I was looking to buy FN Supreme bottom metal. Said it would look like any other old Browning or something like that. It’s my rifle. I’ll put whatever bottom metal on it that I like.

Actually, it’s Mom’s rifle. She surprised the hell out of me when she said wants to go deer hunting. She’s 73. She’s getting a Mauser built just for her.

 

[ZimBobWay]

The fine art of sarcasm is lost on some people. Honestly, by asking if it "still" is in new condition, you suggest he may not be a careful individual and may have damaged the rifle. Some people are sensitive to such suggestions and you can trigger that type of response through an unfortunate choice of words.

Simply asking " "I see it is advertised as like new. Can you advise of any wear that may have occured or anything that has changed since you listed it?" You increase the odds off getting your answer but some people are just wound a little tighter than others. You never know.

I have purchased ammo from the guy and have had no issues whatsoever.

 

[PARA45]

Also, the owner could have shot the rifle, and it's no longer as new.

 

[Muskox]

I have learned a lot about salesmanship from gun shops. Mostly on not to do ever.

My local gun shop (LGS) in Australia (2010-2013) had a lot of friends that worked there, and those friends were absolutely shit at customer service.

Guy walks in.

My friend says "G'day, how going? What can I get for you".

The guy says "yep Mate, I want a 22 Earsplittingloudenboomer Exress Weatherby Magnum" (or insert any popular cartridge of the day 270 WSM, 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, whatever".

My friend says "that is a stupid cartridge, what are you using it for".

Guy says "sambar and pigs".

My friend says " you need a 340 Weatherby (or something else nonsensical for average blokes".

Guy says again "do you have a 22 ESPLBEWM?".

My friend says " yeah, but it's in a Howa and they are shit".

Guy says " OK, I'll take one".

My friend says " I can order you a Sako?"

Guy says, I'll go across town and walks out the door.

This is the same conversation I have had in 1000's of other gunshops all my life. I don't understand how 99% of them are in business.

 

[IvW]

Suggesting a Sako neither do I.....

 

[TOBY458]

The fine art of sarcasm is lost on some people. Honestly, by asking if it "still" is in new condition, you suggest he may not be a careful individual and may have damaged the rifle. Some people are sensitive to such suggestions and you can trigger that type of response through an unfortunate choice of words.

Simply asking " "I see it is advertised as like new. Can you advise of any wear that may have occured or anything that has changed since you listed it?" You increase the odds off getting your answer but some people are just wound a little tighter than others. You never know.

I have purchased ammo from the guy and have had no issues whatsoever.

This rifle has been listed for sale for over a year at least. He has a gun shop, so for all I know it's been on his gun rack being fondled by ever customer that walks through the door. And as you know, every time most people pick a rifle up, they have to work the bolt vigorously and dry fire for good measure. Would you consider a rifle in "new condition" if that was indeed the case? Although it may be unfired, it could still be far from new condition. That was my only reason for asking.

 

[vh2q]

We do not have a "gun shop" and nobody "fondles" our inventory. And if we list a rifle as NIB that means New In Box, never out of the box, not even for photographs; and if it was sealed at the factory it's still sealed. If, as in this case, we list a rifle "As New" that means it appears to be new and unfired or test fired only, but the box has been opened and the gun may have been been handled but not damaged in any significant way. Not by me, I never cut seals, but by some prior owner or dealer.

The Caprivi rifle in question was sold to another customer shortly after this strange episode. The customer was happy with it, I assume, as he exercised his 3 day inspection and kept the rifle. Every item we sell, other than NIB items, has a 3 day inspection to be exercised at the premises of the receiving dealer or gunsmith.

A Kimber Caprivi in 458 Lott is not something you come across every day, and the price was not, as stated, "full retail". The MSRP on a Caprivi in 375 is $3648. I don't see an MSRP on a Lott as these are NLA. The OP who complained that the price of my "as new" rifle being "full retail" at $2750, later advertised a rifle of the same make, model and caliber, in clearly used condition, on this website for $2900 here ; perhaps the rifle he bought from someone else with a "cracked stock". I don't read any disclosure about the stock being cracked when he sold it on .......

If the OP's problem is that I answered his question with a good deal of sarcasm, that is accurate; however, his question, in my mind, fell into the "dumb question" category. I have never been asked, before or after, whether an item advertised as NIB or As New is "still new". Nor am in in the habit of taking a firearm that is new, and using it, for that would be self-defeating. In fact we don't fire 99% of the used firearms that we handle, unless it is to regulate a double for a particular load or to mount a scope on request of a customer. Our inventory sits in a secure gunroom, and only I have access to it. We don't do walk-ins and we almost never do in person transactions, so there is no fondling. We very almost never attend gunshows, ditto.

The person who stated that he returned a rifle, "Rookhawk", is TM. He purchased a Griffin and Howe 375 described as as a "Full custom G&H rifle built on a 64 (as in 1964 not pre-64) Win 70 action" from me, for $3475. He misinterpreted the listing as being a "pre 64" action and did not look at the several photos closely enough to note that this was a "transition" push feed action. It was not a case of my not "accurately" describing the rifle, rather it was a case of his wanting it to be something it was not. It was such a pretty rifle, in such high condition, at a very good price, that I was indeed a bit surprised when he asked to return it. I asked him why, thinking that perhaps there was some shipping damage, which has to be reported immediately. His issue was that it was not a pre-64 action; and he also found the custom integral peep sight too low for his eye. There was no "mantrum" as he states, unless he is referring to his own state of mind. In any case he did return it for a refund and it sold later to another customer, at a higher price than he paid.

That is not to say that I have never sold something with a latent defect. Used firearms are, well, used; and sometimes I miss something. That's why there is a 3 day inspection. It is also not honest to say I never have an unhappy customer. About once a year, I have an unhappy transaction. And it's not one-sided. I have had more than one instance where a customer has taken a gun hunting (as in a new gun returned with mud on the buttpad), or has modified the gun in some way (filing on the forend lug in the wrong place to make a forend latch easier to operate, and then complaining the forend is loose; in a few cases, customers have inspected the item, passed the background check, taken it home, slept on it; and then, in these and similar cases, wanting to return the item for a refund.

I have been in this business for 25 years now and have sold maybe 5000 high dollar guns in that time. I can probably count on two hands and one foot the number that have been returned.

 

[YancyW]

We do not have a "gun shop" and nobody "fondles" our inventory. And if we list a rifle as NIB that means New In Box, never out of the box, not even for photographs; and if it was sealed at the factory it's still sealed. If, as in this case, we list a rifle "As New" that means it appears to be new and unfired or test fired only, but the box has been opened and the gun may have been been handled but not damaged in any significant way. Not by me, I never cut seals, but by some prior owner or dealer.

The Caprivi rifle in question was sold to another customer shortly after this strange episode. The customer was happy with it, I assume, as he exercised his 3 day inspection and kept the rifle. Every item we sell, other than NIB items, has a 3 day inspection to be exercised at the premises of the receiving dealer or gunsmith.

A Kimber Caprivi in 458 Lott is not something you come across every day, and the price was not, as stated, "full retail". The MSRP on a Caprivi in 375 is $3648. I don't see an MSRP on a Lott as these are NLA. The OP who complained that the price of my "as new" rifle being "full retail" at $2750, later advertised a rifle of the same make, model and caliber, in clearly used condition, on this website for $2900 here ; perhaps the rifle he bought from someone else with a "cracked stock". I don't read any disclosure about the stock being cracked when he sold it on .......

If the OP's problem is that I answered his question with a good deal of sarcasm, that is accurate; however, his question, in my mind, fell into the "dumb question" category. I have never been asked, before or after, whether an item advertised as NIB or As New is "still new". Nor am in in the habit of taking a firearm that is new, and using it, for that would be self-defeating. In fact we don't fire 99% of the used firearms that we handle, unless it is to regulate a double for a particular load or to mount a scope on request of a customer. Our inventory sits in a secure gunroom, and only I have access to it. We don't do walk-ins and we almost never do in person transactions, so there is no fondling. We very almost never attend gunshows, ditto.

The person who stated that he returned a rifle, "Rookhawk", is TM. He purchased a Griffin and Howe 375 described as as a "Full custom G&H rifle built on a 64 (as in 1964 not pre-64) Win 70 action" from me, for $3475. He misinterpreted the listing as being a "pre 64" action and did not look at the several photos closely enough to note that this was a "transition" push feed action. It was not a case of my not "accurately" describing the rifle, rather it was a case of his wanting it to be something it was not. It was such a pretty rifle, in such high condition, at a very good price, that I was indeed a bit surprised when he asked to return it. I asked him why, thinking that perhaps there was some shipping damage, which has to be reported immediately. His issue was that it was not a pre-64 action; and he also found the custom integral peep sight too low for his eye. There was no "mantrum" as he states, unless he is referring to his own state of mind. In any case he did return it for a refund and it sold later to another customer, at a higher price than he paid.

That is not to say that I have never sold something with a latent defect. Used firearms are, well, used; and sometimes I miss something. That's why there is a 3 day inspection. It is also not honest to say I never have an unhappy customer. About once a year, I have an unhappy transaction. And it's not one-sided. I have had more than one instance where a customer has taken a gun hunting (as in a new gun returned with mud on the buttpad), or has modified the gun in some way (filing on the forend lug in the wrong place to make a forend latch easier to operate, and then complaining the forend is loose; in a few cases, customers have inspected the item, passed the background check, taken it home, slept on it; and then, in these and similar cases, wanting to return the item for a refund.

I have been in this business for 25 years now and have sold maybe 5000 high dollar guns in that time. I can probably count on two hands and one foot the number that have been returned.

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