Cartridges you just hate

[Sideshow]

Well, hate may be a strong word. But it makes for a good click-bait.

In any case, lately I have been running into people who, when asked, what rifle caliber they would like to buy now, reply .308 Winchester. Now, do not get me wrong, I not only like the .308 fundamentally as a cartridge and always wanted a rifle chambered in one, but I even own a few. However, having had and still owning several, every time I get one, I wonder why I bothered. I need one for Palma style/FTR matches. But for hunting, if I shoot .30 cal, I shoot .30-06. If I wanted more power and recoil, I'd shoot .300WM or .300WSM or .300 PRC. I do not want/need that. So ought-six it is. Pretty much same availability as .308, pretty much the same price, pretty much the same choice of bullets. Actually better I'd say. So why would anyone need or want the .308? Ugly ass, short cartridge.

I also do not like .243 Win. And when I remember it is based on .308, I dislike it even more. What do you need 6mm for anyway? If I was hunting smaller animals in Europe, I'd use 6.5 of some kind. Probably 6.5x57. Or 6.5x55. Or maybe even that 6.5 Creedmoor.

I hate .25-06, yet my buddy kills deer and elk with it at distance on regular basis.

I hate .270 Win. Just Weird caliber to me. Too much recoil and blast for what it is. Plus everyone loves it "sooo much".

I used to hate 6.5 Creedmoor without ever even firing or seeing one. Probably because everyone liked it "sooo much", like the .270. So, I decided to get one to be able to substantiate my "hate". Well, it turns out, it's falling into the same bucket as the .308. Nice, yet nothing special. Wanted to hunt with it this season but did not get out enough, so was not successful in filling my tags. So, jury is still out. But it only sends 140gr bullet at 2625 out of my 20" barrel. Switching to 130gr Terminal Ascent, I can send it at 2718fps, so good enough to 400m or so. But even if it kills deer well, I hate Short Actions and will go back to 7mm for hunting...wait, maybe that is why I do not like the .308 or .243. Maybe it's that one is really limited by the COAL of these. But at least I like the 6.5CM more than the .308 and will probably use it to replace 6.5x55 to punch paper and shoot occasional coyote.

I dunno. I also hate .416 Rigby. I like how it looks, I hate the recoil, muzzle blast and concussion.

I also do not like Weatherby cartridges, belted cartridges (except .375H&H, .458 Lott), magnum cartridges, big kickers - like the .416 (except .458 Lott and have yet to try .404 Jeffery), rimmed cartridges, any weird ones. I almost wonder why I like anything at all. Maybe I'm getting old and crusty.

I used to like .458 Lott but it's no longer with me. Same with .338WM and .300 WM. Who needs all that recoil and blast anyway? That .338 sure killed good though.

I do like .22 LR, 7x57, 7x64, 280 AI, 8x57, 9.3x62, 9.3x64, .375H&H (though once I shoot up all the ammo it's gone).

I also like 8mm-06, 338-06and 35 Whelen never even firing one of these - so you could say I like things based on 30-06, rather than .308. But I kind of like the 6.5CM, yet do hate that .25-06 and .25 or .277 anything.

I also like .505 Gibbs, .50 BMG not having fired either of these. So how do I know if I like them? Would probably hate the recoil and concussive blast.

I might like 7mm-08 even though it's based on .308, but then I'd probably go for 7mm SAW or 7 SAUM if I wanted a SA 7mm.

Now...Do NOT take this post as criticism of YOUR favorite cartridge (should it happen to be one of the ones I do not favor) but rather as a statement that I recognize I may have completely irrational dislike for some cartridges and still end up owning them, shooting them, but for some unknown reason still hating them. Then one tries to figure it out and comes up with some reasons or rationalizations behind the dislike. Yet it all seems false in some way. In the end I like that we have so many different cartridges to choose from.

However, the main reason for this post:
Do you also hate or dislike some specific cartridge or class of cartridges? For real reasons or just so? Are we nuts? Am I?

Maybe you should consider taking up golf

 

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[grand veneur]

I don't think that @Milan needs to play golf. The cartridge 308 Winchester is currently in high demand for hunting in Western Europe, followed by the cartridge 6.5 Creedmoor. At the moment, cartridges with name Magnum and big bores with strong recoil are also not longer very popular. @Milan views would fit well into the current European hunting circles.

 

[MS 9x56]

I almost forgot, my other hate, any cartridge with the letters AI after them. What a load of crap for what? Maybe +100fps?

 

[CoElkHunter]

I almost forgot, my other hate, any cartridge with the letters AI after them. What a load of crap for what? Maybe +100fps?

Now you've done it mentioning AI. Someone will wildcat a 6.5AI Creedmoor. LOL

 

[MS 9x56]

Now you've done it mentioning AI. Someone will wildcat a 6.5AI Creedmoor. LOL

Well that cartridge could actually use another 100 fps.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Funny article that I read several years ago, how I became interested in a 375 Ruger and how I learned about an excellent gunsmith in Montana.

Europeans, and American’s who pretend to be Europeans, have a love affair with the 9.3x62mm. And why wouldn’t they? It is the 1905 invention of Otto Bock, a Berlin gunsmith and it made its reputation as a low cost conversion of military firearms for farmers immigrating from Europe to Africa. So the cartridge has everything Europeans love: crusty old, of German origin, the pretense of frugality, the inference of African hunting, and the round has nothing to do with “those damn Americans”. I, on the other hand, have the American inclination that a little American ingenuity can go a long ways toward correcting all things European. I figured if Ford can fix Jaguar by installing a Ford drive train in those British oil leakers, even if they failed at reforming British labor and had to sell the company, why not follow suit with firearms? It seemed it was time to rid my CZ 550 Full Stock of its 9.3x62mm Europeanen.. ness and convert it to an all American .375 Ruger.

The Real Guns CZ 550 FS Goes 375 Ruger Part I-Only Europeans really like the 9.3×62 – Real Guns

realguns.com

The Real Guns CZ 550 FS Goes 375 Ruger Part II-Handload Development for a Junk Yard Dog – Real Guns

www.realguns.com

 

[CoElkHunter]

Funny article that I read several years ago, how I became interested in a 375 Ruger and how I learned about an excellent gunsmith in Montana.

Europeans, and American’s who pretend to be Europeans, have a love affair with the 9.3x62mm. And why wouldn’t they? It is the 1905 invention of Otto Bock, a Berlin gunsmith and it made its reputation as a low cost conversion of military firearms for farmers immigrating from Europe to Africa. So the cartridge has everything Europeans love: crusty old, of German origin, the pretense of frugality, the inference of African hunting, and the round has nothing to do with “those damn Americans”. I, on the other hand, have the American inclination that a little American ingenuity can go a long ways toward correcting all things European. I figured if Ford can fix Jaguar by installing a Ford drive train in those British oil leakers, even if they failed at reforming British labor and had to sell the company, why not follow suit with firearms? It seemed it was time to rid my CZ 550 Full Stock of its 9.3x62mm Europeanen.. ness and convert it to an all American .375 Ruger.

The Real Guns CZ 550 FS Goes 375 Ruger Part I-Only Europeans really like the 9.3×62 – Real Guns

realguns.com

The Real Guns CZ 550 FS Goes 375 Ruger Part II-Handload Development for a Junk Yard Dog – Real Guns

www.realguns.com

Very interesting.

 

[grand veneur]

Funny article that I read several years ago, how I became interested in a 375 Ruger and how I learned about an excellent gunsmith in Montana.

Europeans, and American’s who pretend to be Europeans, have a love affair with the 9.3x62mm. And why wouldn’t they? It is the 1905 invention of Otto Bock, a Berlin gunsmith and it made its reputation as a low cost conversion of military firearms for farmers immigrating from Europe to Africa. So the cartridge has everything Europeans love: crusty old, of German origin, the pretense of frugality, the inference of African hunting, and the round has nothing to do with “those damn Americans”. I, on the other hand, have the American inclination that a little American ingenuity can go a long ways toward correcting all things European. I figured if Ford can fix Jaguar by installing a Ford drive train in those British oil leakers, even if they failed at reforming British labor and had to sell the company, why not follow suit with firearms? It seemed it was time to rid my CZ 550 Full Stock of its 9.3x62mm Europeanen.. ness and convert it to an all American .375 Ruger.

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I don't hate the cartridge 9,3x62, although I prefer its sister the cartridge 9,3x74R, which has about the same ballistic data. Nevertheless, I would like to point out that this cartridge was designed primarily for hunting heavy game species in Europe. It is still used in our countries for this and has proven its efficiency, especially by driven hunting on wild boars. The fact that it found its way to Africa is nothing extraordinary at a time when continental Europe had not developed any big game cartridges. No matter what many claim outside of Europa, the cartridge 9,3x62 is not a big game cartridge. It was only determined that this cartridge can also be used to a limited extent for shooting big game.

 

[MS 9x56]

Funny article that I read several years ago, how I became interested in a 375 Ruger and how I learned about an excellent gunsmith in Montana.

Europeans, and American’s who pretend to be Europeans, have a love affair with the 9.3x62mm. And why wouldn’t they? It is the 1905 invention of Otto Bock, a Berlin gunsmith and it made its reputation as a low cost conversion of military firearms for farmers immigrating from Europe to Africa. So the cartridge has everything Europeans love: crusty old, of German origin, the pretense of frugality, the inference of African hunting, and the round has nothing to do with “those damn Americans”. I, on the other hand, have the American inclination that a little American ingenuity can go a long ways toward correcting all things European. I figured if Ford can fix Jaguar by installing a Ford drive train in those British oil leakers, even if they failed at reforming British labor and had to sell the company, why not follow suit with firearms? It seemed it was time to rid my CZ 550 Full Stock of its 9.3x62mm Europeanen.. ness and convert it to an all American .375 Ruger.

The Real Guns CZ 550 FS Goes 375 Ruger Part I-Only Europeans really like the 9.3×62 – Real Guns

realguns.com

The Real Guns CZ 550 FS Goes 375 Ruger Part II-Handload Development for a Junk Yard Dog – Real Guns

www.realguns.com

Sacralege .

 

[Vashper]

The 7.62x54 is a very good and accurate cartridge. I had two Mosin Nagant 91 rifles one M44 carbine. The recoil of the M44 was terrible but the 91s were very nice.

The 7.62 x 54R cartridge is in a sense a double of the Army 30-06. It was produced in the USA for the Russian army, and it has the same bullet weight, the same gunpowder weight, and even the same gunpowder, some kind of Dupont.
Army cartridges from the time of the First World War are good for hunting, because then they should have been effective against cavalry, and when shooting at long distances, at group targets. Currently, there are no such requirements for military cartridges, so they are weak.
Here the early Mosin cartridge, produced in France

 

[Brian]

Some of you may have noticed that I have built up strong feelings about the .375 for cape buffalo over the years. Yes, I own two .375 and have killed some buffalo with them ... six, to be exact.

Some for you say the .375 has killed more cape buffalo than any other cartridge.

Well, I say that the .375 has got more cape buffalo hunters injured or killed that any other cartridge.

I have tried in the past to explain why I hate the .375 for cape buffalo so much but my well meaning words have just fallen on deaf ears.

I have tried, in the kindest and gentlest way possible why to convey why the .375 is so over rated by the hunting industry. I have gone far out of my way to not offend anybody, especially any of my good friends on this forum. But it's been all for naught. Pity



The .375 is notorious for it's poor killing power on cape buffalo but, strangely, it is highly rated by the entire hunting industry for the purpose.

I will try and explain, in the most humble, non-judgement terms that I can assemble. Pleas try to take my words in the good spirit with which I offer them to you. I hope that at least some of you can appreciate how satisfying it is to me to contemplate the lives that I save by sharing my thoughts with you about the .375 for cape buffalo.
( I got hell on another forum for posting the following. I am glad you guys are not so touchy. )

THE .375 IS NFG FOR KILLING CAPE BUFFALO. DAMMIT.

YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF 'EFFING GD PUSSIES WHEN IT COMES TO RECOIL !! AND THE WHOLE INDUSTRY KNOWS IT.

The industry knows that folks would not hunt cape buffalo with a girly-man .375 if they realized how dangerous it is. They know that most hunter would not hunt cape buffalo at all if they couldn't use their piss-ant little .375 mouse guns for buffalo because the are too candy assed to cowboy up and shoot a real buffalo gun. And that would cost the industry millions of dollars. DAMMIT-to-HELL!

I hope that I didn't go too far this time. Just my opinion.Brian