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[Bas]

I think its best to lead with the features of a weapon to find the right customer, don't you?

378 Weatherby:

71lbs of felt recoil in a 10.25lb gun shooting a 300gr bullet. With the subject gun being around 9lbs, the recoil is 85lbs.

The original post is correct, the days where jacket separation from the centrifugal force of such an arm are over. You can shoot mono-metal bullets with a 378 Weatherby flawlessly. The monometal bullets will properly open without the petals sheering off at most distances now.

Best part, for 225% of the felt recoil of the .375H&H the .378 Weatherby provides an additional 35 yards of Maximum Point Blank Range, increasing it from 250 yards to 285 yards. So for those shots from 250-285 yards you just point and click with no firing solutions required.

Thanks for your input.

At the risk of being repetitive, I'm old and have no need to play unnecessary games . Admittedly the ad was not geared to beginners but I knew just posting "378 Weatherby" would result in negativity from certain type individuals who can't leave well enough alone. So I cut to the chase.
To me it's quite simple, I have this gun for sale and here's the price. I would have sold it for less to the right person. Previous posts here and other writings over the years taught me some folks just can't tolerate large caliber Weatherbys and are more concerned about giving poor opinions rather than good ones.
Yes, there were a few positive responses to my post and some even understood where I was coming from.
Apparently my mistake was thinking "Free Classifieds" was a site to sell things, not critique selling techniques.
I was wrong AGAIN. (Oh my, the caps rear their ugly heads again! ) . That's not directed to you, it's for the "others".
No one has explained to me why ft. lbs. of energy as well as deep penetration are fine for the H&H, but when you ad more horsepower it's a bad thing.

I enjoy your posts, going on a year and a half now, best wishes... Bob

 

[sestoppelman]

You seem to miss the point of why folks took some umbrage at your ad. Nothing to do with the round itself or the rifle, it was the snotty presentation. Starting out by insulting your intended audience by calling out the trolls when there weren't any YET, is not conducive to good relations. Wise up.

 

[rookhawk]

Thanks for your input.

At the risk of being repetitive, I'm old and have no need to play unnecessary games . Admittedly the ad was not geared to beginners but I knew just posting "378 Weatherby" would result in negativity from certain type individuals who can't leave well enough alone. So I cut to the chase.
To me it's quite simple, I have this gun for sale and here's the price. I would have sold it for less to the right person. Previous posts here and other writings over the years taught me some folks just can't tolerate large caliber Weatherbys and are more concerned about giving poor opinions rather than good ones.
Yes, there were a few positive responses to my post and some even understood where I was coming from.
Apparently my mistake was thinking "Free Classifieds" was a site to sell things, not critique selling techniques.
I was wrong AGAIN. (Oh my, the caps rear their ugly heads again! ) . That's not directed to you, it's for the "others".
No one has explained to me why ft. lbs. of energy as well as deep penetration are fine for the H&H, but when you ad more horsepower it's a bad thing.

I enjoy your posts, going on a year and a half now, best wishes... Bob

@Bas I think that was the point. You hang out with your friends, if you say "here's my new hunting dog, its a Draathar, don't you dare make fun of his looks" you're absolutely begging for some lighthearted ribbing that your dog looks like the band ZZ Top.

Begging not to troll a Weatherby .378 advertisement is indeed a license to troll a .378 Weatherby advertisement!

Good news, there are no trolls on this forum. Quality people. Lighthearted. Many Weatherby lovers abound. They have their place as a technology. The medium and large bore ones scare the hell out of me, but I've already noted in numerous threads that for my size/weight, I'm the world's largest recoil sissy you'll find.

If you take a few lighthearted comments as such, you will sell the gun here no problemo.

No one here is going to come on your thread and slander the gun "piece of junk" or "lousy", but boy did you beg for some humorous comments with your initial advertisement. Frankly, the initial ad was brilliant because the lighthearted banter that ensues is pushing the thread to the top giving you more free press to sell your gun.

 

[IvW]

I think its best to lead with the features of a weapon to find the right customer, don't you?

378 Weatherby:

71lbs of felt recoil in a 10.25lb gun shooting a 300gr bullet. With the subject gun being around 9lbs, the recoil is 85lbs.

The original post is correct, the days where jacket separation from the centrifugal force of such an arm are over. You can shoot mono-metal bullets with a 378 Weatherby flawlessly. The monometal bullets will properly open without the petals sheering off at most distances now.

Best part, for 225% of the felt recoil of the .375H&H the .378 Weatherby provides an additional 35 yards of Maximum Point Blank Range, increasing it from 250 yards to 285 yards. So for those shots from 250-285 yards you just point and click with no firing solutions required.

I am just wondering how much faster the barrel will wear out when using only Monometal bullets at these velocities?

 

[rookhawk]

I am just wondering how much faster the barrel will wear out when using only Monometal bullets at these velocities?

In defense of the gun, assuming the WORST the gun is good for 500 shots in a barrel. Who the hell is going to live-fire a .378 500 times in their lifetime?

Assuming the best case, you use banded barnes in the gun and the pressure and recoil are less for equal velocity. Gun lives on for 750-1250 rounds of live fire. That gets you through 3-5 generations of use. Your great-great-grandchild can pop for a $500 new barrel in the year 2258.

My theory is that firing guns doesn't ruin barrels. Successive shots on a hot barrel at the range eats barrels. Not religiously cleaning carbon deposits off ruins barrels. Shoot a three or five shot string letting the gun cool between shots, then a thorough cleaning...this gun and any other is going to live forever.

 

[C.W. Richter]

Our poor friend Bas has been shell shocked by years of silly as hell comments by the GGE (google gun experts)

Weatherby makes some of the finest rifles ever designed and manufactured. The rounds that they designed over the years have set the mark for power, distance and accuracy.

At present I have about a trunk load on Weatherby rifles and over the years have sold many times that amount.

In all those years.......never a jam......never a broken rifle. I did have to fix 2 Weatherbys because their owners decided to play gunsmith and completely take them apart and loose a few of the pieces.

Some have talked quite a bit of smack about the Weatherbys here. One guy offered that he had 7 and everyone of them broke. Another spouted off how they jamb, both going in and coming out. Another said that the 9 lugs are of a poor design and won't " cam out" the fired case. So how it it supposed to cam in and cam out?

And maybe I could be wrong, but the highly recomended bolt action Blaser not only doesn't cam in, but it is also a push feed. So why does it take no flack like any other push feed?

Totally agree re: the Mark V action (and even the ultra-lightweight 6 lug version for smaller cartridges, for that matter.) 'Never an issue, but haven't used any for DG. It's the .378 and larger cartridges that come into question. Unnecessary and can cause damage to the human body. We're not hunting ourselves. The terminal energy is supposed to be directed away from us. Re: Blaser. Like Coca-Cola...the "latest-greatest" thing to be sold to the masses. No interest whatsoever. For DG hunting, give me a Mauser, Win CRF, old Wby with CRF, old Rem w/ CRF, A-Sq/Enfield, Ruger, etc. It's not worth potentially risking your life w/ a push feed w/no pos. extract. I feel The extractor is quite important in these situations, as the mauser-style is better at ejecting a hot, over-pressured spent cartridge and allowing the next to be chambered just prior to your expiration date and time. Try using a push feed when the gun is tilted sideways, because you tripped backing up to an elephant/buffalo/leopard/lion charge. There are other manufacturers that chamber guns for Wby calibers in these non-Wby CRF-style actions. Again, I like Wby guns and cartridges very much, but there are guns and calibers better suited for DG applications. Great light-med gun/calibers for plains game! Some hot Wby cartridges might be good for initial shots on cats from blinds, but you should probably follow-up with another gun. LOVE the .224/.257/.338-378 (and the old 375 Wby!) One of the magnum-crazed men Will purchase his gun, as he did prior...

 

[C.W. Richter]

Totally agree re: the Mark V action (and even the ultra-lightweight 6 lug version for smaller cartridges, for that matter.) 'Never an issue, but haven't used any for DG. It's the .378 and larger cartridges that come into question. Unnecessary and can cause damage to the human body. We're not hunting ourselves. The terminal energy is supposed to be directed away from us. Re: Blaser. Like Coca-Cola...the "latest-greatest" thing to be sold to the masses. No interest whatsoever. For DG hunting, give me a Mauser, Win CRF, old Wby with CRF, old Rem w/ CRF, A-Sq/Enfield, Ruger, etc. It's not worth potentially risking your life w/ a push feed w/no pos. extract. I feel The extractor is quite important in these situations, as the mauser-style is better at ejecting a hot, over-pressured spent cartridge and allowing the next to be chambered just prior to your expiration date and time. Try using a push feed when the gun is tilted sideways, because you tripped backing up to an elephant/buffalo/leopard/lion charge. There are other manufacturers that chamber guns for Wby calibers in these non-Wby CRF-style actions. Again, I like Wby guns and cartridges very much, but there are guns and calibers better suited for DG applications. Great light-med gun/calibers for plains game! Some hot Wby cartridges might be good for initial shots on cats from blinds, but you should probably follow-up with another gun. LOVE the .224/.257/.338-378 (and the old 375 Wby!) One of the magnum-crazed men Will purchase his gun, as he did prior...

*Just recalled 1 issue with a Wby Mark V (in .257) I had many moons ago...I called it "the cannon" for deer-sized animals in America, and the results were very impressive. I'd practice with it in the hot weather on woodchucks (lol the American marmot variety of the hyrax,) and a few times the very weak little extractor couldn't pull the shell out. This is a great example of why I wouldn't use that action on DG in Africa. (It was very easy to get the shell out, back at the farm, using a hardwood dowel 30 min later, until I began keeping one in the truck, and no one to my knowledge has ever suffered a fatality by groundhog.) After burning barrels out of 2 of them, I switched up to a .257 Roberts, Ackley Improved (very similar performance using 12 less gr. of powder, and no barrel replacements to date, and CRF as it's a custom Mauser 98 by Paul Jaeger!)

 

[Bas]

You seem to miss the point of why folks took some umbrage at your ad. Nothing to do with the round itself or the rifle, it was the snotty presentation. Starting out by insulting your intended audience by calling out the trolls when there weren't any YET, is not conducive to good relations. Wise up.

Thanks for your input, but oh, there have been trolls on here long before I posted that ad. Just look up previous responses to Weatherby topics in the search history. Mostly the largest 5 calibers.

I am not, nor ever have been, some macho freak belittling people who are recoil sensitive. I don't LIKE it myself. There is a price to be paid for performance. There are also remedies. Proper technique and mindset are the beginning.

There are those who jump into a discussion without starting at the beginning to understand the progression of events and opinions.

I'm not going to insult you to "wise up". I will ask you to do as I mentioned earlier. Read the entire thread.
Check out the derogatory remarks about large caliber Weatherbys here AND elsewhere.

Didn't you head up a recent member's hunt, or am I confusing you with someone else ? At any rate, I was hoping the group would have a great time.
Didn't know that either, did you....

 

[C.W. Richter]

I bet that you could have the most "interesting" buffalo hunt with all the ft/lbs offered by the 378 Wby! Why, you could shoot a herd bull at close to modest range, the shot passes through (premium soft or solid), and then plug and wound one that just ran behind it-and that's when who's hunting who came into play! I'm sure Kevin Robertson would agree. That may not happen with an HH, and very unlikely w/ a soft. If you're lucky, you just have to pay for 2 buff. I'm not certain an extra 15 paces of point blank range (out by 300 yds) is a big selling point for that round. It's easy enough to remember point of aim w/ any DG gun to 300 or less. You will sell it. Plenty of "manly-men out there." ex: Like many calibers, a 270 gr SP out of a 375 HH, zeroed for 100, will drop ~6" at 200 yds and 18" at 300. You can even learn to use a single reticle as a measuring device to compensate for drop, but I think the aforementioned measurements are easy enough to make in the field if you know the range and animal size. We've all beaten this on into the ground, I'm sure. You will sell it to someone who just "needs" to have it! We've been there, with our favorites.

 

[Bas]

Good information. I mentioned earlier the range I belonged to for years is run by 1,000 yard bench rest competitors. Can't recall all the calibers they used but yours doesn't ring a bell.

I was a mechanic and electrician in the coal mines and power plants for 40 years or so. I learned that anything made will eventually fail , just a matter of time and circumstances.

 

[Bas]

"Uncle". What's the point.......

 

[Bas]

Does this site respond to those with 600 Nitro and 700 Nitro express rifle in the same manner......?

 

[sestoppelman]

No Bas, that was not me who did a member hunt.

 

[rookhawk]

Does this site respond to those with 600 Nitro and 700 Nitro express rifle in the same manner......?

Yes and no, @Bas.

We do fireside bickering with each other on the general forums. I'll be happy to banter why a 7x57 or 6.5x55 is better than a Weatherby elsewhere on this forum and in turn, many here can call me nuts. I'll really stick it to the guy that thinks 4-bores are great too, and he can laugh at me for my opinion.

What I don't think happens, at least I don't see it here, is people pooping on someone's for-sale threads. People don't come on the for-sale classifieds and try to rip on other people's stuff they are trying to sell. Some places on the Internet tolerate that, I've never seen AH management have to step in and even chastise people for doing that here. Your initial ad sort of invited that breach of protocol, rather asking for folks to chit-chat on your for-sale advertisement in a non-typical way.

I will chatter with a guy elsewhere on this forum if he's loving on his .460 Weatherby rifle, but I'm sure not going to jump on his advertisement trying to kill his ability to sell or market his gun.

You need to separate what we do to one another in a friendly manner on the general forum versus what we do on a classified ad.

To the readers/friends: It seems like a nice gun for a nice price from a nice seller. If you need an $1800 .378 Weatherby, here's one for sale. If you want to debate whether its better than a .375HH, take it to the general forum.

 

[C.W. Richter]

Does this site respond to those with 600 Nitro and 700 Nitro express rifle in the same manner......?

Those are beauties (double rifles-much higher quality than a factory bolt Wby and way more expensive,) but 99.99% of us don't want to shoot them either (it IS comical watching the likes of Mark Sullivan & others fire them, though. They usually back down to a 470/500/577 NE after that punishment-and those are LOW velocity HIGH energy guns.) That was NOT Uncle Roy's mantra. Please find us a 600 NE double for $1,800 and we'll invite you to troll us all you like!

 

[Ray B]

the days where jacket separation from the centrifugal force of such an arm are over.

I had my doubts about bullets separating mid-range until I loaded up a 257 Wby with a 60 grain Hornady flat nose bullet. the bullet is designed for the 25/20 velocities less than 2000 fps and the load was chronographed at 4501. Additionally, the barrel had a 1-10" twist. the bullet evaporated about 50 yards from the muzzle and left no sign of any hit on the target which was at 100 yards. No further such loads were fired.

 

[C.W. Richter]

I had my doubts about bullets separating mid-range until I loaded up a 257 Wby with a 60 grain Hornady flat nose bullet. the bullet is designed for the 25/20 velocities less than 2000 fps and the load was chronographed at 4501. Additionally, the barrel had a 1-10" twist. the bullet evaporated about 50 yards from the muzzle and left no sign of any hit on the target which was at 100 yards. No further such loads were fired.

That's def an extreme example (putting a .22 weight bullet in a hot .25, when the std. varmint bullet is 87 gr and the lighter modern verion 75) but I DID have failures with the 1st gen Nosler 115 gr BT (the jacket was too thin.) Shot a MONSTER boar in TX at 200 yds across a lake and we witnessed the bullet blow into dust on its shoulder. Once again, a big buck in PA at 100 yds, hit in the shoulder and it just hurt-no penetration...at least I got that one with a 3rd running shot through the ribs (the 2nd blew a point off the antlers! LOL) smh. They subsequently made the jacket thicker on the BT but I never used it again (same as the Gen 1 Berger!!! would blow apart and make a birdshot type wound.) But, they responded and fixed that with thicker jackets, etc. All good today, though i'm wary of the 130 grainer that's out there, as I believe it's a target bullet...Using a .257 AI/.25 Souper/.25-284 solves most of these problems! All that said, upon much 25 experience, I plan to release another .25 wildcat in the future... stay tuned! The bullets and powder have gotten better. Re: the 257 AI, it's amazing how much better that caliber's bullets perform at 150 fps less V....Overkill is not good within a certain range, and it's only necessary for specialized applications (extreme distance-where the terminal V calms down to that of more normal cartridges.)

 

[C.W. Richter]

Mine will stri1ctly be marketed at $1,799.99

 

[C.W. Richter]

We owe Bas a beer after all this. lol Ok, Near-BeerTM.

 

[C.W. Richter]

That's def an extreme example (putting a .22 weight bullet in a hot .25, when the std. varmint bullet is 87 gr and the lighter modern verion 75) but I DID have failures with the 1st gen Nosler 115 gr BT (the jacket was too thin.) Shot a MONSTER boar in TX at 200 yds across a lake and we witnessed the bullet blow into dust on its shoulder. Once again, a big buck in PA, hit in the shoulder and it just hurt-no penetration...at least I got that one with a 3rd running shot through the ribs (the 2nd blew a point off the antlers! LOL) smh. They subsequently made the jacket thicker on the BT but I never used it again (same as the Gen 1 Berger!!! would blow apart and make a birdshot type wound.) But, they responded and fixed that with thicker jackets, etc. All good today, though i'm wary of the 130 grainer that's out there, as I believe it's a target bullet...Using a .257 AI/.25 Souper/.25-284 solves most of these problems! All that said, upon much 25 experience, I plan to release another .25 wildcat in the future... stay tuned! The bullets and powder have gotten better. Re: the 257 AI, it's amazing how much better that caliber's bullets perform at 150 fps less V....Overkill is not good within a certain range, and it's only necessary for specialized applications (extreme distance-where the terminal V calms down to that of more normal cartridges.)

People used to do what you say in .220 Swifts (~4,500 fps-why?) They subsequently had to re-barrel. Whatever floats your boattail! lol