I don't bring this up lightly...

[Ontario Hunter]

We are never going to hear the whole truth to any of this, The buyer has buyers remorse when he saw the actual condition and we are getting all this information second hand through his brother in law.

What kind of conversations went on before the sale? What conversation went on when the buyer discovered the scratches? What was offered and just what was accepted by the buyer and seller, not through the brother in law.

All we are doing here is speculation and getting second hand on what the conversations actually were.

Trial by the WWW, this sounds more like two girls on FB.

I guess you haven't read the entire thread. The buyer (actually the "intermediary" who worked up the deal) posted screenshots of all the correspondence back and forth. As far as I could tell, the vendor did not post any evidence to contradict what the buyer posted. What we are reading is not second-hand. It's what the parties wrote to each other in their own words in real time.

 

[Flipper Dude]

Bunch of damn hyenas here.

Is this how disputes between men are handled now? Running and tattling to the peer group? Ban him from the forum? Hell, let’s break his damn kneecaps, too. That’ll teach him.

I don’t know @Rare Breed from Adam, but the dispute between him and the OP ain’t none of my business or your business either. Or your business. Or your business.

My 2 cents. Don’t like my opinion? I don’t give a flying eff. Go tell.

 

[GuttormG]

In my humble opinion, I think in this unwanted situation, best would be to negotiate new price, and seller to make partial refund of money. Buyer keeps the gun.
This is gentlemen solution.

Not sure if all is reading the full story? An agreement was made on how to solve this. Seller do not want to honor this agreement.
Anything before this is of zero interest.

But good to know that so many of us is ok with beeing lied to and loosing 500 bucks.

 

[JimP]

I guess you haven't read the entire thread. The buyer (actually the "intermediary" who worked up the deal) posted screenshots of all the correspondence back and forth. As far as I could tell, the vendor did not post any evidence to contradict what the buyer posted. What we are reading is not second-hand. It's what the parties wrote to each other in their own words in real time.

I've read enough of it to realize that we are quite likely not getting the whole story and never will.

As I said, it starting to sound like two teenagers fighting over something that neither one of them know anything about.

 

[franzfmdavis]

Bunch of damn hyenas here.

Is this how disputes between men are handled now? Running and tattling to the peer group? Ban him from the forum? Hell, let’s break his damn kneecaps, too. That’ll teach him.

I don’t know @Rare Breed from Adam, but the dispute between him and the OP ain’t none of my business or your business either. Or your business. Or your business.

My 2 cents. Don’t like my opinion? I don’t give a flying eff. Go tell.

Do you also think that we should avoid calling out strangers who have just joined the site to scam members? If not, I asked you to reconsider why you think we should treat established members differently?

I attempted to deal with this privately. When that doesn’t work, don’t we all deserve to know what happened so that we can protect each other. I don’t want someone stealing $500 from you and I will do my part to protect you from that.

I don’t want to be part of a peer group that is too timid to stand up for principles.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Bunch of damn hyenas here.

Is this how disputes between men are handled now? Running and tattling to the peer group? Ban him from the forum? Hell, let’s break his damn kneecaps, too. That’ll teach him.

I don’t know @Rare Breed from Adam, but the dispute between him and the OP ain’t none of my business or your business either. Or your business. Or your business.

My 2 cents. Don’t like my opinion? I don’t give a flying eff. Go tell.

Some rumbling about a few other past deals with this vendor. Apparently those guys just bit the bullet or settled quietly. Making a public spectacle is not a bad thing. It's a good thing actually. Best way to keep it from happening again. The vendor won't get banned (because he's broke no rules) but in the future others looking to buy from him will have this thread to think about before committing. It also gives others something to think about before buying or selling on here. Govern yourself accordingly ... or risk being judged by everyone else.

 

[VertigoBE]

What a shitshow...

Thankfully this is rare on AH

 

[Ontario Hunter]

I've read enough of it to realize that we are quite likely not getting the whole story and never will.

As I said, it starting to sound like two teenagers fighting over something that neither one of them know anything about.

You obviously haven't read enough of this thread. What's missing from this story? Correspondence is all there. You think something is missing ... because something always must be missing.

 

[BJH65]

We are never going to hear the whole truth to any of this, The buyer has buyers remorse when he saw the actual condition and we are getting all this information second hand through his brother in law.

What kind of conversations went on before the sale? What conversation went on when the buyer discovered the scratches? What was offered and just what was accepted by the buyer and seller, not through the brother in law.

All we are doing here is speculation and getting second hand on what the conversations actually were.

Trial by the WWW, this sounds more like two girls on FB.

All very true yet it was made public here on AH to elicit responses from other members based on information that was provided. In his typical fashion, Red Leg summed it up precisely with clarity and Rookhawk offered a generous and innovative solution. Drama aside, I find member commentary interesting. I do hope it can all be resolved.

 

[JimP]

You obviously haven't read enough of this thread. What's missing from this story? Correspondence is all there. You think something is missing ... because something always must be missing.

You are still mostly hearing one side from a second party.

Have you ever heard of the game that folks play around a campfire called telegraph? What one person tells another is totally different by the time that it gets back to them.

Nothing is going to be settled in this thread. The OP has had his say and Rare Breed has had his.

If this was on any of the other forums where I am a moderator it would of been shut down 10 pages ago.

 

[375er]

Ok, it's time this thread ends. Lessons learned here; provide complete and honest disclosure on anything you want to sell or buy. Do what you say you are going to do and do the right thing, always.
This is a great community of like minded people and I believe we owe each mutual respect in that vein. Otherwise as Graucho Marx used to joke " I would never belong to club that would have me as a member".
At the end of the day people we should all be on the same team.

 

[franzfmdavis]

Yeah, I pointed that out to him. Let's see the other side of the fore arm. His response was "You're out of control. I fixed the damage. Look at the photo of cheek piece." What? No one said anything about the cheek piece. I said show us the restoration to damaged side of the FORE ARM. Response: silence. I've done a lot of stock restoration over the years and I can assure you the bad gouge in that fore arm was not steamed out as seller claims. It is a cut not a dent. There is no wood in a cut to restore. The only option is to sand it out (ugh!) or fill it (slightly less ugh).

The most applicable aspect of the schoolyard analogy here has been that he continued to try to bully his way through this, insulting you for stating the facts, and eventually ran off when confronted by enough of his peers.

I may have thrown the first proverbial punch, but it is the strength of the group that will prevent him and others from acting like this going forward.

 

[Daisy]

I agree. I’ve been part of this forum for years and have conducted countless transactions with more members than I can count. This is a very unfortunate and unwanted situation. Obviously mistakes were made here and effort was made resolve those. I have no dog in this fight. Ultimately, it is the up to the buyer and seller to resolve issues if any should arise. This forum has no obligation to the buyer or seller to ensure product condition or perform mediation. This should not have become a public display. All very sad.

Isn’t the way the board polices itself for people to give honest reviews on transactions? Isn’t there a whole thread just for that specifically?

 

[275r7x57]

Bunch of damn hyenas here.

Is this how disputes between men are handled now? Running and tattling to the peer group? Ban him from the forum? Hell, let’s break his damn kneecaps, too. That’ll teach him.

I don’t know @Rare Breed from Adam, but the dispute between him and the OP ain’t none of my business or your business either. Or your business. Or your business.

My 2 cents. Don’t like my opinion? I don’t give a flying eff. Go tell.

Not sure what you classify as men?

As I see it the buyer is the only man in the room. A gentleman.

The seller, tucked tail and ran, wrong pictures and will not pay. Man? I think not.

A real man would grow a set of balls, say I FU, apologize and pay what’s due. The seller is obviously not a man.

 

[JimP]

Not sure what you classify as men?

As I see it the buyer is the only man in the room. A gentleman.

The seller, tucked tail and ran, wrong pictures and will not pay. Man? I think not.

A real man would grow a set of balls, say I FU, apologize and pay what’s due. The seller is obviously not a man.

The buyer isn't even a member of the forum here, just his brother in law.

 

[mark-hunter]

But good to know that so many of us is ok with beeing lied to and loosing 500 bucks.

Well, in real life situations happen, and the best is to find acceptable solution to both parties.

 

[CJW]

Couldn’t agree more.
This has 100% been taken lightly on this forum because of the seller. His arrogance hasn’t changed.

Are you willing to publicly share your buying experience with @Rare Breed ? You mentioned it earlier. Seems fitting to explain if you are going to bring it up. This isn't to say you're lying. Just that it could shed light on a pattern of behavior and to help others.

Apologies if you have already explained and I missed it. Just point me in that direction if you have.