@TheoR8I have already cancelled three trips, and here in Australia we are back in lockdown Number 5. I still hope to get to RSA one day, but won't be for a few years now.
I can put up with most BS, but when they close the ranges, its a whole other animal!! Ours was closed for several months early on, I about went nuckin futz!
@sestoppelman
If you ask this question, there’s no answer that will prove to you they do work at this time. The percentage of hospital cases who have had vs not had the vaccine is very telling that they are effective to me at least in the short term. If getting the vaccine substantially reduces my risk of needing to go to a doctor/hospital in Africa and increases my likelihood of a negative test so I can return home, it’s worth getting to me.I will ask perhaps a controversial question and see what kinds of answers we get.
Can it be proven that the vaccines work? In other words, its like trying to prove that breaking in a barrel does something mystical to make it a better shooter right? You can only break in a barrel once, so how do you know that it worked as opposed to just shooting the snot out of it? Either way it may be a great shooter or may be a lemon.
In a one off situation like this that we are in, whats the proof that it works. In particular with this Covid since the vaccines had no where near the testing period that most vaccines go thru which are measured in years, not weeks and a much larger human testing group.
Its also known now that the incidence of injury with these vaccines is higher than previous vaccines.
I am not saying the vaccines dont work, maybe they are but how do you prove it?
Take a sample person. Give them the shots, do they get Covid? Probably not. Would they have gotten Covid with no shots? Maybe. Maybe not. There is simply no way to tell.
Its like buying insurance. You are gambling that you will need it, the insurance company is gambling you wont.
Now guys, dont get sore at me, just asking a question. Call it a brain tease.
Food for thought.
Playing devils advocate here of course, but again, and I think you agree that is basically an unprovable when you get right down to it. Empirical evidence would seem to show it does work for most and is safe for most, but obviously not all.
We fully agree here
@sestoppelmanI will ask perhaps a controversial question and see what kinds of answers we get.
Can it be proven that the vaccines work? In other words, its like trying to prove that breaking in a barrel does something mystical to make it a better shooter right? You can only break in a barrel once, so how do you know that it worked as opposed to just shooting the snot out of it? Either way it may be a great shooter or may be a lemon.
In a one off situation like this that we are in, whats the proof that it works. In particular with this Covid since the vaccines had no where near the testing period that most vaccines go thru which are measured in years, not weeks and a much larger human testing group.
Its also known now that the incidence of injury with these vaccines is higher than previous vaccines.
I am not saying the vaccines dont work, maybe they are but how do you prove it?
Take a sample person. Give them the shots, do they get Covid? Probably not. Would they have gotten Covid with no shots? Maybe. Maybe not. There is simply no way to tell.
Its like buying insurance. You are gambling that you will need it, the insurance company is gambling you wont.
Now guys, dont get sore at me, just asking a question. Call it a brain tease.
Food for thought.
For your health I say if legal and possible go out somewhere and heat up a barrel, have some fun. Not sure how strict your lockdown is, can see no gatherings at local ranges but is there no outback/station/sparsely populated areas to have a couple hrs shooting? We use gravel pits, logging blocks or out in the bush more than the limited ranges in Canada. Or are the Trudopes taking over there also? Never been to Australia yet its on my list.
Yeah, dont think any state here has had any kind of mileage limit. That sucks!
Yeah I've got a week long Pig trip booked near Walgett in September, looks like that won't happen now.
I will ask perhaps a controversial question and see what kinds of answers we get.
Can it be proven that the vaccines work? In other words, its like trying to prove that breaking in a barrel does something mystical to make it a better shooter right? You can only break in a barrel once, so how do you know that it worked as opposed to just shooting the snot out of it? Either way it may be a great shooter or may be a lemon.
In a one off situation like this that we are in, whats the proof that it works. In particular with this Covid since the vaccines had no where near the testing period that most vaccines go thru which are measured in years, not weeks and a much larger human testing group.
Its also known now that the incidence of injury with these vaccines is higher than previous vaccines.
I am not saying the vaccines dont work, maybe they are but how do you prove it?
Take a sample person. Give them the shots, do they get Covid? Probably not. Would they have gotten Covid with no shots? Maybe. Maybe not. There is simply no way to tell.
Its like buying insurance. You are gambling that you will need it, the insurance company is gambling you wont.
Now guys, dont get sore at me, just asking a question. Call it a brain tease.
Food for thought.
