Limpopo Buffalo

[Wishfulthinker580]

Not one critic has demonized the RSA as a whole. In fact, as far as I can tell, caveats have been provided in most of the critical statements.

 

[Red Leg]

Main issue I have is that this puts hunting in RSA in a bad light as a whole......
Yes there are put and take operations etc. And high fence and blah blah blah.....
So does USA and Texas in particular......

So many uninformed people do not realise how many places in RSA are availible with self sustaining herds of Buffalo....some are truely huge properties......

South Africa single handed is responsible for the existance of the White Rhino.....through conservation and private land owners efforts....

If there was no hunting in Limpopo you would have cattle farms and no game......just the way it is.....if it pays it stais.....

You dont like it sure go where ever you want but stop bashing hunting in RSA.....rather simple.....

Unfortuanately some rich ass people will always look down on others......

I do not think anyone has bashed South African hunting. In fact, I think most posters have emphatically agreed with you. I posted an article praising a South African buffalo hunt.

The same quality of hunt concerns are true with Texas. You can shoot a 160-170 class whitetail in a 500 acre pen, a four thousand acre low or high fenced property, or free range. I find there is a significant difference in the hunting experience among those three. An outfitter here who posts a picture of a specific deer for X dollars (happens a lot) is not one where I would anticipate much of a hunting experience.

 

[Flipper Dude]

The same quality of hunt concerns are true with Texas. You can shoot a 160-170 class whitetail in a 500 acre pen, a four thousand acre low or high fenced property, or free range. I find there is a significant difference in the hunting experience among those three. An outfitter here who posts a picture of a specific deer for X dollars (happens a lot) is not one where I would anticipate much of a hunting experience.

Oh hell, don’t even get me started on that sh*t! Nothing gets me going faster than a guy bragging about his 200+” whitetail he shot inside a high fence. Takes all the skill of a 6 year old. Is it legal? Sure. Look good on the wall? Not to me. Looks like a man that bought a deer.

Apparently, here in Texas the easy fenced hunts are the rich guys.
In Africa, the easy fenced hunts are the po’ folks.

Qualifier. ( Light hearted and in jest. At least the last part)

 

[375Fox]

I do not think anyone has bashed South African hunting. In fact, I think most posters have emphatically agreed with you. I posted an article praising a South African buffalo hunt.

The same quality of hunt concerns are true with Texas. You can shoot a 160-170 class whitetail in a 500 acre pen, a four thousand acre low or high fenced property, or free range. I find there is a significant difference in the hunting experience among those three. An outfitter here who posts a picture of a specific deer for X dollars (happens a lot) is not one where I would anticipate much of a hunting experience.

I think a key difference between those hunts in Texas and those in Limpopo is hunters know what they are getting in Texas. There isn’t an effort to disguise it or stop any discussion about the differences. There are major differences. There is an effort portray all properties in South Africa as the same when they are not. I find the attempt to stop any discussion about the differences here very disingenuous.

 

[gizmo]

Well at the end of the day everyone has the right to do as they see fit. It’s truly sad that people will live in glass houses and throw boulders. This used to be a great community of like minded people. Sure we all have our own beliefs and differences but it used to be handled with class for the most part. Now there have been several outfitter sponsors and great members that have been ran off by those who believe they have the right to demean others just because they don’t like something.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens when many members and sponsors alike decide it’s not worth the money and time to advertise or try to participate in conversations due to a few self righteous people that can’t show any decency or respect. It’s sad.

 

[WAB]

I do not think anyone has bashed South African hunting. In fact, I think most posters have emphatically agreed with you. I posted an article praising a South African buffalo hunt.

The same quality of hunt concerns are true with Texas. You can shoot a 160-170 class whitetail in a 500 acre pen, a four thousand acre low or high fenced property, or free range. I find there is a significant difference in the hunting experience among those three. An outfitter here who posts a picture of a specific deer for X dollars (happens a lot) is not one where I would anticipate much of a hunting experience.

I agree. I haven’t seen anything that would bash hunting in RSA. The cautions were more of a heads up to do your diligence and ensure that you get the type of hunt you are looking for. I shot my biggest buffalo in Klaserie. The genetics have to be seen to be believed, and being open to Kruger it is definitely free range. From what I understand, there are other opportunities more remote and wilder than this in RSA. There are also opportunities where a specific animal is targeted in a smaller environment. All of the discussion I saw was trying to help the OP understand this and do his due diligence. Was some of it humorous? Yes, but it in no way justified the rant that it created.

As a side note, I have hunted buffalo in five African countries. I’ve seen a pretty wide range of hunting opportunities. My comments were an attempt to help the OP with his decision. If this was somehow seen as elitist, I’d suggest that the offended party grow a thicker skin.

 

[Daisy]

The question was whether the bulls were good RSA bulls not what one's opinion of hunting RSA is. I'd sure love the keyboard warriors to put their money where their mouths are and start paying for peoples hunts who cannot afford to hunt places like Moz, Zam, and the like. I'd venture a guess no one who piped up from the peanut gallery has a clue what outfitter or the size of the operation these bulls are on is. it may have been mentioned by now after two pages of belittling this guy for asking a question on a hunt he can afford or has the time to do but sure wasn't when I had read enough to know where this was going. Ya'll do more to ruin peoples hopes of getting to go on safaris by demeaning and belittling them when they ask questions, then to ensure to get those you miss do the same on their posts when they dare to post pictures with animals that YOU don't approve of. Maybe if you don't have anything constructive to add to a conversation you should show some discretion and stay out of it. I've tried to bite my lip on this issue as of late but enough is enough. Get over yourselves.
To answer your question both are fantastic bulls and yes they are a touch young however RSA is different in that the hunting is done predominantly on game farms where private management of wildlife is different than on huge hunting blocks of wilderness areas, where shooting a younger bull would be not kosher. In RSA many bulls this age are taken to reduce herd numbers, change genetics in a herd, or many different reasons.
If you trust your PH, have a good report with him, and are confident that he knows what YOUR expectations are for what you consider a good hunt; go for it. Don't let the pretentious self righteous dissuade you.

Amen brother. Amen.

 

[Daisy]

I understand supporting his opinion, but did you actually read his posts? I’m assuming you must have glossed over calling individuals he disagrees with keyboard warriors and pretentious self righteous pricks when you applaud him for not interjecting negative barbs into the conversation. I don’t ask for people to pay for my hunts. I’m not sure why it’s acceptable and cheered on if you agree with a certain viewpoint.

As you told me before. I don’t think this thread is going very well for you.

 

[IvW]

Some posters here have always bashed RSA hunting and they cant stop.....search their post and see.....

The OP asked a simple question and it has turned into a shitshow......

Stop trying to make like RSA hunting has not been thrown under the bus once again.....

He said "my PH who I have hunted with for several years".........so he knows his PH and has done multiple hunts with him yet some are just trying to be little the fact......

 

[Daisy]

I don’t think he was belittled at all. He got good advice on what to look for in a trophy and a hunt. In many of our opinions, the hunt has as much to do with the quality of the trophy as the tape measure. I would respectfully suggest that you are the one turning this into a royal pissing match.

Nope. It’s the same folks always get a chance to impose there views, mainly that hunting in RSA is inferior. Just because it is said in a certain way doesn’t take away from the fact that it seems to happen in every thread, irregardless of that is the question that was asked.

 

[Daisy]

Boy do you have a high opinion of yourself. It boils down to a hellava lot of members and sponsors have had enough of you and a few others tripping over each other to be the first to bash someone from your high horse.
I don’t give a crap who suggests I stop. As long as you and others will run your yapper I can guarantee you I’ll fire back.
It’s pretty sad the number of people that have called, texted, and pm’d me thanking me for standing up to those of you who can’t get it through your dense heads that your behavior is out of line, demeaning, and childish.
Just because 3 or four of you think your some self proclaimed great white hunter doesn’t mean anyone wants to listen to your banter. I’ve tried to be nice and have been ridiculed for it in the past so, ya I will be nasty if necessary. You and the other couple of great white hunters throw the first stone and then get butt hurt when people fire back. Grow up, if you want it dropped and or avoid these situations in the future then the shut up and act like a decent human.

Been saying the same for year.

Check out the reactions to your first post compared to how many those guys got. Most on this board are tired of a few with their high horse comments n

 

[Daisy]

I agree. I haven’t seen anything that would bash hunting in RSA. The cautions were more of a heads up to do your diligence and ensure that you get the type of hunt you are looking for. I shot my biggest buffalo in Klaserie. The genetics have to be seen to be believed, and being open to Kruger it is definitely free range. From what I understand, there are other opportunities more remote and wilder than this in RSA. There are also opportunities where a specific animal is targeted in a smaller environment. All of the discussion I saw was trying to help the OP understand this and do his due diligence. Was some of it humorous? Yes, but it in no way justified the rant that it created.

As a side note, I have hunted buffalo in five African countries. I’ve seen a pretty wide range of hunting opportunities. My comments were an attempt to help the OP with his decision. If this was somehow seen as elitist, I’d suggest that the offended party grow a thicker skin.

This is just not true.

 

[gizmo]

Nope. It’s the same folks always get a chance to impose there views, mainly that hunting in RSA is inferior. Just because it is said in a certain way doesn’t take away from the fact that it seems to happen in every thread, irregardless of that is the question that was asked.

I still am shocked that the same 3 or 4 eletists that intentionally and constantly try to force their views on others get so butt hurt when they catch it back. Then try to act as if they are superior and speak for everyone. It’s really impressive the dedication to self righteousness.

 

[gizmo]

Been saying the same for year.

Check out the reactions to your first post compared to how many those guys got. Most on this board are tired of a few with their high horse comments n

Exactly!!!! They just don’t get it.

 

[IvW]

A simple reply could have been they both have good spread and curl. Tips are.still sharp bosses not fully formed and estimated age would be 8 to 9 years. If they are still around in 2 years time when you get there they would have aged another 2 years......they should both be fully hard bissed by then.......

 

[IvW]

I respectfully suggest you let it drop. If we haven’t run the OP off yet, he has more patience than most.

Practice what you preach.....

 

[Flipper Dude]

Finally made it! My wife will be glad to know that I’m an elitist now! Only 44 years of working outside with my hands in the Texas heat and blue Northers. Hell, I’m out in it today! Had to warm my fingers to type this.

Maybe I’ll get to retire someday soon and enjoy my new social status.

 

[IvW]

All else aside:
They are fantastic bulls, I would be happy to accommodate them in my trophy room!
Hard boss, with good spread of horn.

Just to give you the idea:
If the ears are parallel to the horn it is roughly 36 inch.
If the horns are a hand width wider than the ears it will be over 40 inch.

You might rather want to work on 33 inches ear tip to ear tip otherwise most buffalo would be estimated at 44 inches and tape measures will start on 3 or 4 inches......

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Finally made it! My wife will be glad to know that I’m an elitist now! Only 44 years of working outside with my hands in the Texas heat and blue Northers. Hell, I’m out in it today! Had to warm my fingers to type this.

Maybe I’ll get to retire someday soon and enjoy my new social status.

Congratulations!

 

[Flipper Dude]

You might rather want to work on 33 inches ear tip to ear tip otherwise most buffalo would be estimated at 44 inches and tape measures will start on 3 or 4 inches......

Yep. I’ve always read that 36” number, but they must be hunting different buffalo than I am. Usually 32-33 max.