Needing Latest Info For Building A Budget .416 Remington Mag Rifle

[ChrisG]

If all you’re going to do is shoot it at the range, you could use a Remington 700 action with no problem at all. The extraction issue that can rarely occur with this rifle is not really an issue unless you’re hunting DG. There’s a used Remington 700 in 416 REM Mag on Gunsinternational as we speak for $1450. You won’t be able to go build one for less money.

Man at that point, I'd shell out $1,550 and get a brand new CRF winchester M70 in .416 Rem mag, straighten the bolt handle out, put custom wood on it, new sights and call it a day.

Nothing wrong with them from the factory, but this thread was about a custom rifle... so I would definitely customize it in that case

 

[Country-Folk]

Just to clarify in hopes it will be clear for my intentions, reasoning, etc for building a big game rifle 1 component at a time.

As my first post was showing, I'm not concerned if I have some more money into building my rifle than if buying a completed rifle....I mean as long as its not WAY overboard ..... and I know it wont be way overboard based on me knowing I will make certain to bargain hunt all of my components that are needed to finish the build.

This is the better route to take for my individual situations of:

I'm not able to hand over the whole cost upfront for a complete .416 Rem Mag rifle (average final cost of 1,4000 based on having watched gunbroker items over the past couple months... and yes that includes the tax, 50.00 for shipping, and 30.00 for FFL dealer fee), and therefore I'm only concerned with buying individual components based upon what my budget will allow to happen.

Besides from my individual income which limits me to only being able to buy 1 component of the gun build every few months, here in Ohio there's the miserable winter weather which prevents me from getting outside and in the garage where I love to keep active instead of becoming dumb from having watched the increasing dumb and lame crap that's mostly on tv anymore, and so a nice project like building my own gun is what I want to give me something to do during winter months and it will be a good feeling of accomplishment rather than merely seeing a completed gun, paying, and then walking away with it

 

[WI-2021]

Just to clarify in hopes it will be clear for my intentions, reasoning, etc for building a big game rifle 1 component at a time.

As my first post was showing, I'm not concerned if I have some more money into building my rifle than if buying a completed rifle....I mean as long as its not WAY overboard ..... and I know it wont be way overboard based on me knowing I will make certain to bargain hunt all of my components that are needed to finish the build.

This is the better route to take for my individual situations of:

I'm not able to hand over the whole cost upfront for a complete .416 Rem Mag rifle (average final cost of 1,4000 based on having watched gunbroker items over the past couple months... and yes that includes the tax, 50.00 for shipping, and 30.00 for FFL dealer fee), and therefore I'm only concerned with buying individual components based upon what my budget will allow to happen.

Besides from my individual income which limits me to only being able to buy 1 component of the gun build every few months, here in Ohio there's the miserable winter weather which prevents me from getting outside and in the garage where I love to keep active instead of becoming dumb from having watched the increasing dumb and lame crap that's mostly on tv anymore, and so a nice project like building my own gun is what I want to give me something to do during winter months and it will be a good feeling of accomplishment rather than merely seeing a completed gun, paying, and then walking away with it

If you can save up for each component, you can save up for the complete rifle; it just takes longer. That said, I understand the draw of building your own.

I will say that building a Remington pattern with a prefit barrel isn't much of a project, at least in terms of the actual assembly labor. On the other hand, researching components and learning is part of the project too, and that will take some time and effort.

If you want a more hands-on project in terms of metal and wood working, a project Like Ontario Hunter's .404 is much more involved than putting together a 700 pattern rifle. It all depends what you want from this project and your capabilities.

 

[Country-Folk]

WI-2021 "If you can save up for each component, you can save up for the complete rifle; it just takes longer."

Hey Gomer,

No one needs you telling them what they're capable of doing and not capable of doing with the money in their own household.
You throw out your spiel based on your immature mentality whereby thinking your ideals must apply to everyone.

Are you married? Do you even know what it means to try to save up money but you have a wife who over the years isn't the same as what she use to be when it comes to responsibility?

So you never heard of a wife who will spend the money as soon as finding out there's a large accumulation of it?

And just in case, no, I dont need you telling me how to store the money either

 

[WI-2021]

WI-2021 "If you can save up for each component, you can save up for the complete rifle; it just takes longer."

Hey Gomer,

No one needs you telling them what they're capable of doing and not capable of doing with the money in their own household.
You throw out your spiel based on your immature mentality whereby thinking your ideals must apply to everyone.

Are you married? Do you even know what it means to try to save up money but you have a wife who over the years isn't the same as what she use to be when it comes to responsibility?

So you never heard of a wife who will spend the money as soon as finding out there's a large accumulation of it?

And just in case, no, I dont need you telling me how to store the money either

I apologize for my comment, but you're out of line. Perhaps focus on all of the other helpful advice you've been receiving throughout this thread from myself and others, rather than the one comment that rubbed you the wrong way.

 

[ChrisG]

If your interested in starting with a beat up rifle, heres one I did several years ago. Started out as a rusty whitworth.

You might be able to find a beat up 416 rem you can remake in your own image.

I did all the work on this one from rebluing to stock shaping, finishing and checkering

The only thing I didn't do was the 2 position safety. It looks like a 3 position win model 70 safety but I have no use for the middle position so it is either on or off. I took a crack at it but had to have a gunsmith touch it up for me

https://www.africahunting.com/threa...a-sows-ear-project.63530/page-10#post-1154833

 

[ChrisG]

If your interested in starting with a beat up rifle, heres one I did several years ago. Started out as a rusty whitworth.

You might be able to find a beat up 416 rem you can remake in your own image.

I did all the work on this one from rebluing to stock shaping, finishing and checkering

The only thing I didn't do was the 2 position safety. It looks like a 3 position win model 70 safety but I have no use for the middle position so it is either on or off.

Here is the finished product

 

[cajunchefray]

If your interested in starting with a beat up rifle, heres one I did several years ago. Started out as a rusty whitworth.

I was thinking the same thing for @Countrylife.
Get an Interarms Alaskan or African in .375 H&H (you can find the Alaskans cheaper). The price of the rifle, if you shop well, will be cheaper than a plain action. Re barrel the .375 H&H to .416 Rem. Go to town with upgrades, sights, barrel band sling swivels, etc. This can be accomplished over time in a proper budget.

 

[Ontario Hunter]

If you can save up for each component, you can save up for the complete rifle; it just takes longer. That said, I understand the draw of building your own.

I will say that building a Remington pattern with a prefit barrel isn't much of a project, at least in terms of the actual assembly labor. On the other hand, researching components and learning is part of the project too, and that will take some time and effort.

If you want a more hands-on project in terms of metal and wood working, a project Like Ontario Hunter's .404 is much more involved than putting together a 700 pattern rifle. It all depends what you want from this project and your capabilities.

Actually, my woodworking was nothing special, initially anyway. First stock was semi-finished rough that I bought off an auction site for just over $100. No checkering though that probably would have happened down the road. It came equipped with one forward crossbolt. I did make the fore end cap from a piece of zebrawood and that did require some fancy shop work. They can be ordered in black plastic but I didn't have time to wait for one. Raw zebrawood was available locally.

(Photo before bluing)
Fore end cap certainly isn't necessary. I would forego it for a budget build. I added a second internal crossbolt behind the magazine. Not very difficult. A Dremel tool with carving bit, a piece of threaded rod, and tube of JB Weld is all that's needed. One can just as easily add two internal crossbolts for a stock without any. Opening up the barrel trough isn't rocket science. Very easy. I used a wooden dowel and sandpaper. Caveman tools. Synthetic stocks can be a pain though because the sanding dust becomes static charged and acts as a clinging lubricant in the trough. Adding a trigger with side safety can require some stock carving if the original action has a shroud with flag safety (e.g. Springfield or Mauser).

Again, keep in mind the abundance of aftermarket options for 98 Mauser. Without any doubt that action is the most popular for custom builds ... for the last 120 years at least. Whatever you need, the options are almost endless. It's one reason I was able to finish my 404 build, my first ever, in four months vs several years. An abundance of aftermarket options for parts = shopping for prices = less $$$. If the OP has time to finish his project (and I did not), he has even more potential for economy. I paid about $225 US for a barreled action with already modified bolt handle. I know a guy who last year had two more Czech Mauser actions with unmodified bolts. He hinted I could have one for $250. They both were fairly clean. Biggest expense for me was the barrel. $400 + $600 to have it threaded, reamed, and mounted. If I'd had the luxury of time, I would have bought or rented the tools needed to mount the barrel myself.

Second stock was used with beautiful figure and checkering. $250 US and it did require plenty of work. Two Winchester crossbolts did require some tricky shop work. Internal crossbolts was not an option. Previous owner/gunsmith whittled out too much wood internally. The wrist on this stock was MUCH thinner so I added a steel pin for reinforcement. Setting up jigs to drill crossbolts and wrist pin was complicated but other options are available for better wood or synthetic stocks (better wood = internal crossbolts; synthetic stock = no crossbolts or wrist pin needed).

 

[Hyde Hunter]

Hi @Country-Folk and welcome to AH.

I'll try to answer some of your questions.

1. As far as I know, the only company mass producing actions that can be bought by themselves for a reasonable price is Savage and they cost about as much as a brand new savage rifle. Short of going for a $5k Granite mountain action or the like, you're going to be into to the price of a Winchester M70 in 416 Rem Mag, (about $1,300-$1,600) with just the action and the barrel let alone any stock work or a scope/iron sights. New action+milling to make it fit, probably $1000 or more, plus buying a barrel ($300-$600) and having it installed, anywhere from $300-$750 or more depending on what you want to do.

If it were me, and it was at one point, I would (and) buy a Ruger M77 African in .416 Ruger. It would have 90% of the power of a .416 Rem mag and look the part for probably around $1,250ish for a new rifle or $1,000 used.

Sorry, but labor is always going to be a major expense of building a rifle. I have accrued a number of tools over the years so that I could some of the work myself, but I still don't own a milling machine or a metal lathe for the meat and potatoes work. Skilled labor ain't cheap.

I may be way off in my numbers but I feel they are pretty conservative. Hope that points you in the right direction

you can buy actions from Mack Bros in Sturgis SD and Weatherby model 307 for around 850.00

 

[fourfive8]

Whew, I’m leaving this one alone and will watch with a bowl of popcorn. My crystal ball shows a “very steep learning curve” about to play out.

 

[TOBY458]

Man at that point, I'd shell out $1,550 and get a brand new CRF winchester M70 in .416 Rem mag, straighten the bolt handle out, put custom wood on it, new sights and call it a day.

Nothing wrong with them from the factory, but this thread was about a custom rifle... so I would definitely customize it in that case

If they were still readily available, I’d agree with you for sure. But unfortunately, Win 70 in 416 REM Mag are pretty hard to come by these days. Hopefully that will improve at some point.

 

[Country-Folk]

Sorry I havent replied to comments on here for a little while.

After having talked with ChrisG on here near the very beginning of this thread whereby he offered his suggestion of trying the Savage 110 Magnum Long Action to start my .416 Rem Mag build, I been doing a lot of researching online and through contacting actual gunsmiths for direct information.

I now have parts that's been delivered over the past several days and
!!! THE 416 REM MAG PROJECT HAS BEGUN !!!
Will be providing pictures of the actual parts here and screen captures of their listing on the sites to show where to find them

I'm going to start a new thread which will be titled

.416 Rem Mag: Information For Building A Budget Big-Game Rifle ( 416 Remington Magnum )​

and likely in another forum category of ".375 & Up"

P.S.
To the people who tried to make the matter about things costing more to build this rifle than to go pay 1,500 - 2,000 for a complete gun, stop in my new thread and start learning how to do it for what will be no more than 1,200

....and keep in mind that I made it clear from the beginning that I dont mind paying what could end up being more to do a build over time versus paying that average of something like 1,500 for a complete gun

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Sorry I havent replied to comments on here for a little while.

After having talked with ChrisG on here near the very beginning of this thread whereby he offered his suggestion of trying the Savage 110 Magnum Long Action to start my .416 Rem Mag build, I been doing a lot of researching online and through contacting actual gunsmiths for direct information.

I now have parts that's been delivered over the past several days and
!!! THE 416 REM MAG PROJECT HAS BEGUN !!!
Will be providing pictures of the actual parts here and screen captures of their listing on the sites to show where to find them

I'm going to start a new thread which will be titled

.416 Rem Mag: Information For Building A Budget Big-Game Rifle ( 416 Remington Magnum )​

and likely in another forum category of ".375 & Up"

P.S.
To the people who tried to make the matter about things costing more to build this rifle than to go pay 1,500 - 2,000 for a complete gun, stop in my new thread and start learning how to do it for what will be no more than 1,200

....and keep in mind that I made it clear from the beginning that I dont mind paying what could end up being more to do a build over time versus paying that average of something like 1,500 for a complete gun

Good for you. It should be interesting. I doubt you could buy any kind of new gun worth a crap off the shelf these days for $1200.

 

[Country-Folk]

Good for you. It should be interesting. I doubt you could buy any kind of new gun worth a crap off the shelf these days for $1200.

Hi there Ontario Hunter
Cool to see ya stop back in ... you seem down to earth

Well so far here's the ingredients list for whipping up a good batch of 416 Rem Mag Rifle:

1) Savage 110 Magnum Long Action for 250.00 at G-nBroker

2) The Hardwood Magnum Savage 110 Stock for 90.00 at Numrich

3) The Basix Sav-1 Trigger for 110.00 at Ebay

4) The Trigger Guard with Bottom Bolt Release for 40.00 at GunShack

5) The Cross Bolts for 22.00 at Brownells

6) The Bolts/Screws, Lug, and misc hardware (used) for 24.00 at Ebay

7) The barrel will be done by McGowen which will cost an average of 350.00

8) Savage provides the convenience of a jam-nut feature for its barrels which makes installation a thing that the average person can then do at home since it makes the head spacing a bit easier to do and therefore wont be paying a gunsmith to do it.

9) Blueprinting the bolt action will likely not be necessary as a big game rifle isnt made for sniping or other long distances that require precision machining in attempt to gain the most accuracy as possible.

10) Oh and as for the magazine compartment ... so far I think this will be a blind magazine compartment which will just be needing a spring and follower for approx 80.00 or I can install a spacer which caps off the magazine compartment whereby then placing one round at a time to be chambered, fired, ejected, and then placing one more round in .... maybe something like a bench gun .... but I wont know much more on that until I get the stock

That totals just a little under 1,000.
Yep, there was the additional costs for shipping but I got free shipping on many of the orders.

So now there's a couple hundred dollars before hitting that 1,200 mark ... I'm sure there will be some more expenses like approx 40-50.00 for used but fairly good-quality adjustable rear sight and ramped front sight, and maybe a service needed by a gunsmith if we're not able to do it here

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Hi there Ontario Hunter
Cool to see ya stop back in ... you seem down to earth

Well so far here's the ingredients list for whipping up a good batch of 416 Rem Mag Rifle:

1) Savage 110 Magnum Long Action for 250.00 at G-nBroker

2) The Hardwood Magnum Savage 110 Stock for 90.00 at Numrich

3) The Basix Sav-1 Trigger for 110.00 at Ebay

4) The Trigger Guard with Bottom Bolt Release for 40.00 at GunShack

5) The Cross Bolts for 22.00 at Brownells

6) The Bolts/Screws, Lug, and misc hardware (used) for 24.00 at Ebay

7) The barrel will be done by McGowen which will cost an average of 350.00

8) Savage provides the convenience of a jam-nut feature for its barrels which makes installation a thing that the average person can then do at home since it makes the head spacing a bit easier to do and therefore wont be paying a gunsmith to do it.

9) Blueprinting the bolt action will likely not be necessary as a big game rifle isnt made for sniping or other long distances that require precision machining in attempt to gain the most accuracy as possible.

10) Oh and as for the magazine compartment ... so far I think this will be a blind magazine compartment which will just be needing a spring and follower for approx 80.00 or I can install a spacer which caps off the magazine compartment whereby then placing one round at a time to be chambered, fired, ejected, and then placing one more round in .... maybe something like a bench gun .... but I wont know much more on that until I get the stock

That totals just a little under 1,000.
Yep, there was the additional costs for shipping but I got free shipping on many of the orders.

So now there's a couple hundred dollars before hitting that 1,200 mark ... I'm sure there will be some more expenses like approx 40-50.00 for used but fairly good-quality adjustable rear sight and ramped front sight, and maybe a service needed by a gunsmith if we're not able to do it here

Sounds good. Very good. I'm having trouble understanding what's going on with the magazine and bottom metal. Why would the bolt release be attached to trigger guard? Did the action come without magazine box? I presume the stock is synthetic and simulated hardwood? If it's whitewood (e.g. birch) I think you may have problems with this heavy recoiling caliber.

NECG did have magnum followers but as I recall they were trying to clear them out. I used one in my Mauser build. Easy enough to fit by trimming the tabs on side with Dremel tool or file. The follower's retainer slot for spring was too wide for my military spring so I squeezed the follower a bit in a vice to tighten it up.

I'm not terribly familiar with Savage 110. Is it detachable magazine? So you're looking to convert to load from the top "blind" magazine?

 

[Country-Folk]

Sounds good. Very good. I'm having trouble understanding what's going on with the magazine and bottom metal. Why would the bolt release be attached to trigger guard? Did the action come without magazine box? I presume the stock is synthetic and simulated hardwood? If it's whitewood (e.g. birch) I think you may have problems with this heavy recoiling caliber.

NECG did have magnum followers but as I recall they were trying to clear them out. I used one in my Mauser build. Easy enough to fit by trimming the tabs on side with Dremel tool or file. The follower's retainer slot for spring was too wide for my military spring so I squeezed the follower a bit in a vice to tighten it up.

I'm not terribly familiar with Savage 110. Is it detachable magazine? So you're looking to convert to load from the top "blind" magazine?

Can see the actual Bolt, Receiver, Stock, Trigger, Trigger Guard, Crossbolts, Etc that I ordered in my new thread on here.

https://www.africahunting.com/threa...et-big-game-rifle-416-remington-magnum.89758/

If that link wont work, my new thread is under the forum category of ".375 & Up"

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The description of the stock on Brownells website specifies the stock being designed for the Savage 110 Magnum. Hardwood stock with Heavy Barrel Channel.
Unfortunately there was only one picture and it doesnt show the view of the underside of the stock.
Therefore I dont know if it has the cut-out in the wood for a box magazine, or if the underside of the stock is largely solid and therefor is meant to be a blind (internal only) magazine compartment.

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The Savage 110 bolt and receiver is the older style whereby it was made to use the bolt release which is down on the trigger guard (Bottom Bolt Release), and the newer Savage 110 design had moved the bolt release up along the side of the action (Top Bolt Release)