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[gbflyer]

The fact that anyone thinks what this Officer did is appropriate or right is a big part of the problem.

Within the law, or within policy, doesn’t make it right. There are lots of things that were once legal, and considered “right” that are no longer so. I’ve noticed a big change in law enforcement since my time and not for the better. Law enforcement acts like an occupying army and most officers have lost their ability to communicate effectively to de-escalate situations. This is largely a product of their training and losing the inability to actually think thanks to our educational system.

“We don’t actually want people that think we want them dumb enough to follow orders without question.” Sadly we’ve bred a couple generations of exactly that and the IQ scores of the general population proves it.

You display the education/breeding/IQ you are railing against by making a right/wrong call on a news clip.

 

[Corey0372]

If the USA were doing the same thing, the Navy Seal that shot Bin Laden would be court martialed for excessive force as well. I don’t get the British anymore, they have let wokeness run amok.

Investigations into certain operations aren't really a new thing, they've occurred throughout the GWOT at various times with nearly all combat units. Sometimes they're overreaching and unnecessary, and the guys involved are usually cleared without issue. Sometimes, for a number of reasons, they make the headlines and may or may not be what most people would consider "war crimes" such as the case with Eddie Gallagher (although there's still some oddities with that whole story).

Sometimes these investigations are absolutely warranted and the servicemembers involved should without a doubt face justice, such as the case with the Marines involved in the murder of civilians in Haditha in 2005.

I'm completely with you on not understanding the British. The MOD investigating some operators for possible misconduct isn't really what does it for me though, it's this grooming gang thing. The scale of it all, and the absolute cowardice by the police, the media, the lawmakers.... every single institute of society failed these people, they knew what was happening and not only did nothing to stop it, they tried to cover it up and persecuted people for talking about it.

If the people who allowed this to take place face zero consequences for their actions (as in jail time) then The Kinks were right... There's no England now.

 

[spike.t]

If you're not keeping track, apparently another 5 have passed on from this earth.

Osama bin Laden's son is running the show now. Their goal is 50k deaths in the US. If this morning is part of that effort, it's just a warm-up for things to come.

Unfortunately it was only a matter of time before this type of attack was going to take place in usa.....am actually surprised it hadn't happened sooner......had all the precedents in Europe etc Unfortunately......

 

[spike.t]

Depressing....

 

[sgt_zim]

Unfortunately it was only a matter of time before this type of attack was going to take place in usa.....am actually surprised it hadn't happened sooner......had all the precedents in Europe etc Unfortunately......

Of course. Islam has been waging war on Christendom and the West for 1400 years, with a brief lull from the Treaty of Karlowitz in 1699 until the last 40 or 50 years - not by choice, mind, but simply because they just didn't have the means to do anything in that time. That's what they do. Our own state department sends them something like 50 million USD/month and have for a couple years, I think. October 7th was done on a shoestring budget. They have a lot more budget to unleash on Europe and the US now.

 

[CJW]

Pakistani grooming gangs in UK: 'Call them rape gangs', JK Rowling joins Elon Musk's call for accountability over Rotherham scandal | World News - Times of India

US News: In the past 24 hours, social media platform X has become the battleground for a heated debate on the alleged grooming gangs scandal in the UK.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Saul]

Of course. Islam has been waging war on Christendom and the West for 1400 years, with a brief lull from the Treaty of Karlowitz in 1699 until the last 40 or 50 years - not by choice, mind, but simply because they just didn't have the means to do anything in that time. That's what they do. Our own state department sends them something like 50 million USD/month and have for a couple years, I think. October 7th was done on a shoestring budget. They have a lot more budget to unleash on Europe and the US now.

I find it odd that every time an attack happens, many respond as if it is a totally new and unexpected development.

 

[wesheltonj]

Depressing....

Unfortunately, just another example of Progressives/Liberals F'ing up everything they touch.

 

[CJW]

Two very intelligent men worth listening to.

Tommy Robinson. Enemy #1 in the UK.

 

[CJW]

Try this again. You Tube playing the censorship game.

This video seems unsharable. YT censorship. This is actually the first time I've seen it to this extent. It says a lot!

Anyways it's watchable on YT still. Titled: 'The Extent of the Problem They Don't Let You See' on Jordan Peterson's channel.

 

[sgt_zim]

I find it odd that every time an attack happens, many respond as if it is a totally new and unexpected development.

Yeah, I'm not even a little surprised. The only thing that surprises me is that it hasn't happened before now, but I guess they had to learn some lessons on comms and logistics before they could try and do something at this scale.

If they are successful in producing the body count they want, we're going to learn the hard way Stalin's truth on "tragedy" vs "statistics."

 

[Hunt anything]

Is something going on in the Army? Off the top of my head I can think of 4 terrorist that were either Army vets or active duty, Timothy Mcvay, the Major at Fort Hood, the New Orleans guy and evidently the guy that blew up the truck in Las Vegas in front of the Trump hotel was active duty Army and a green beret.
I know there are more from other branches but it seems unusual.

 

[sgt_zim]

McVeigh was 30 years ago, and a total world away from ISIS like at least the NOLA guy was. McVeigh at least had a justifiable hard-on for the way the ATF operates - not saying I agree with his method, just his sentiment.

Fort Hood was 15 years ago, also unrelated to ISIS. Might as well think Charles Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald had the same taint on them.

 

[mdwest]

I find it odd that every time an attack happens, many respond as if it is a totally new and unexpected development.

The most odd to me was when everyone acted surprised and outraged on 9/11...

OBL told everyone very clearly what he intended on doing...

He had committed numerous attacks against the US in the years prior..

A very well known SOF/Agency guy surveilled OBL for 2 years, and him in his sights... years before 9/11.. the Clinton Administration refused to green light OBLs assassination..

He had actually attacked the towers prior in 1993... and made it clear that he would be back and would be successful the next time..

but we were surprised and the attack was unexpected when he did it in 2001?

Now OBL's son, who has clearly said he will be responsible for making sure 50,000 Americans die is in the process of organizing, planning, and funding attacks..

And we're going to be surprised again?

Kinda ridiculous..

 

[Hunt anything]

McVeigh was 30 years ago, and a total world away from ISIS like at least the NOLA guy was. McVeigh at least had a justifiable hard-on for the way the ATF operates - not saying I agree with his method, just his sentiment.

Fort Hood was 15 years ago, also unrelated to ISIS. Might as well think Charles Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald had the same taint on them.

Fort hood was during the war on terror and carried out by a Muslim, I know McVay was 30 years ago but was still a terror attack. I wasn’t saying all were radicalized in the military or Muslim for that matter, just an observation.
This is also on the heels of the Biden administration declaring that white supremacy in the military was the greatest threat to the country. A statement that is crazy in my opinion.

 

[rookhawk]

Fort hood was during the war on terror and carried out by a Muslim, I know McVay was 30 years ago but was still a terror attack. I wasn’t saying all were radicalized in the military or Muslim for that matter, just an observation.
This is also on the heels of the Biden administration declaring that white supremacy in the military was the greatest threat to the country. A statement that is crazy in my opinion.

The problem is that in Biden's eyes and the left in general, white supremacy is the greatest threat to our country and to our military. It's a fact.

Now we have to decipher what the term "white supremacy" means to the Left and we have to define what that threat actually is to their goals.

Hint: it isn't white people in white robes burning crosses whatsoever.

Another hint: It's related to Western thought and the protestant work ethic, also known as the traditional American Way.

Alright, i'll stop hinting and call it out: the threat known as white supremacy is actually any American of any race that believes in the greatness of America, that we have a unique nation and culture, and that our interests must trump the interests of globalists.

 

[CJW]

Is something going on in the Army? Off the top of my head I can think of 4 terrorist that were either Army vets or active duty, Timothy Mcvay, the Major at Fort Hood, the New Orleans guy and evidently the guy that blew up the truck in Las Vegas in front of the Trump hotel was active duty Army and a green beret.
I know there are more from other branches but it seems unusual.

Many people come and go from the military. Some of them are bound to turn up as bad guys. This guy served in Afghanistan. Did it affect him to be "fighting" against people who looked like him, had similar names, shared a religion, etc? Possibly. Maybe it was self induced indoctrination or just his local mosque.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

Fort Hood was 15 years ago, also unrelated to ISIS. Might as well think Charles Whitman and Lee Harvey Oswald had the same taint on them.

@sgt_zim You know well that Charles Whitmand and Lee Harvey Oswald, both skilled marksmen (if Oswald was the only shooter), learned to shoot in the Marines!

If you did not learn that in the Marines as I did, let the fictional Gunnery Sergeant Hartman educate all in this short clip from the movie Full Metal Jacket;

Is something going on in the Army?

The military especially the ground combat services attracts many of us that may as young men been wound a little too tight. Uncle Sam's Misguided Children is often an appropriate euphemism for the gagle that enters boot camp or occasionally officer candidate school.

With proper leadership, often the "up close and personal" kind, most soldiers and Marines become better people and citizens than when they enlisted or or entered OCS.

There is however and will always be the 10% of personnel that a leader must devote 90% of their time to unfxck. Sometimes we as leaders are successful but a few whack jobs will always be whack jobs.

 

[rookhawk]

Many people come and go from the military. Some of them are bound to turn up as bad guys. This guy served in Afghanistan. Did it affect him to be "fighting" against people who looked like him, had similar names, shared a religion, etc? Possibly. Maybe it was self induced indoctrination or just his local mosque.

Here's an extreme answer, but the correct one. Islam as collequally defined needs to be banned in America. We have the freedom of religion in this country, but mainstream Islam is not a religion, its a political system that justifies violence to achieve its political ends. It's no different than party affiliation with a known terrorist state.

Is it really all muslims? Nope. But about 95% of the muslims doctrine is terrorism when adhered to correctly. (most muslims violate the tenants of their schools of thought, thankfully) The issue is that Islam has spent the past 200 years exterminating their moderates, the USA has spent the last 100 years propping up the governments of the most dangerous schools of thought of Islam. The CIA has spent the last 50 years supporting indoctrination and extremism in these schools of thought when we thought it would be helpful to incite violence against our enemies. (Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Chechnya being three sterling examples)

Every great work of Islam and every profoundly useful doctrine of the religion was really the work of the Persians and other moderates. Most of these works were by derivatives of Sufism and Shi'a belief systems as well. They were the equivalent of the protestant reformers that course corrected Christianity and which ultimately resulted in good fruit from all branches of the faith. That progress can't come to Islam because they kill those types of moderates on site. (Ahmadiya Islam and B'hai being examples of positive reformers compatible with Western values)

TLDR; we're screwed. We supported the bad guys and imported them into the west. We're doubly evil, we didn't save the lives of the good guys that could have reformed Islam in the same way we reformed Christianity from the evils of the Inquisition.

 

[sgt_zim]

@sgt_zim You know well that Charles Whitmand and Lee Harvey Oswald, both skilled marksmen (if Oswald was the only shooter), learned to shoot in the Marines!

If you did not learn that in the Marines as I did, let the fictional Gunnery Sergeant Hartman educate all in this short clip from the movie Full Metal Jacket;

The military especially the ground combat services attracts many of us that may as young men been wound a little too tight. Uncle Sam's Misguided Children is often an appropriate euphemism for the gagle that enters boot camp or occasionally officer candidate school.

With proper leadership, often the "up close and personal" kind, most soldiers and Marines become better people and citizens than when we enlisted or were commisioned.
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There is however and will always be the 10% of personnel that a leader must devote 90% of their time to unfxck. Sometimes we as leaders are successful but a few whack jobs will always be whack jobs.

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Yeah, I know they're both gyrenes, but they're both just as far removed from all of this as McVeigh and Hasan.