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[steve white]

Its not rocket science considering all the evidence.

my feeble attempt at humor...

 

[cwpayton]

OK GUYS THIS IS HUGE BREAKING NEWS, on the truck bomb in vegas ,Hotel Trump, not even going to try and explain, highly recommend you watch the Shawn Ryan show, [ sam shoemaker} before they take it down. and draw your own conclusions. this is the iceberg under the ocean.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Sam Shoemate

Also, in the discussion neither know what a USAP clearance is. It’s a compartmentalization type clearance inside of a TS clearance. Very small groups. Topics are usually very harmful to the US

Obtaining a USAP clearance involves an exceptionally thorough background investigation, often including polygraph examinations and additional security measures.

 

[Altitude sickness]

On that Podcast they bring up the “VBIED”

That was a question of mine from the beginning. This Army Green Beret with a lot of specific training builds a fireworks display. Not a bomb.
He surely would have known that it was not a bomb. He most likely wanted a big demonstration without killing innocents.

 

[rookhawk]

The Las Vegas bomber left a manifesto and mailed it along. He was involved in UAPs and also he alleges he provided some of the targeting for strikes against targets he deemed illegitimate in Afghanistan.

This was scraped from ZeroHedge and is worth a glance:

 

[hoytcanon]

Sorry, I got rid of my last Ruger a few months ago. The RSM .375 was a decent rifle but I replaced it with a Sako.

What a dumb move... that Ruger would be spitting lead long after the Sako has taken a dirt nap.

 

[Red Leg]

The Las Vegas bomber left a manifesto and mailed it along. He was involved in UAPs and also he alleges he provided some of the targeting for strikes against targets he deemed illegitimate in Afghanistan.

This was scraped from ZeroHedge and is worth a glance:

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Sam Shoemate

Also, in the discussion neither know what a USAP clearance is. It’s a compartmentalization type clearance inside of a TS clearance. Very small groups. Topics are usually very harmful to the US

Obtaining a USAP clearance involves an exceptionally thorough background investigation, often including polygraph examinations and additional security measures.

The very sort of psychosis that seems to precede mass shootings or suicide - thankfully this individual chose the latter. Of course, in the current environment many will be inclined to believe him and accept his his ravings of gravitic propulsion systems as truth rather than consider the far more likely possibility that he simply desperately needed psychiatric help.

Special Access Programs do not typically require a lie detector test though some limited access programs do (maybe 10%?). My personal history is typical of many commissioned military personnel.

I was first granted a Top Secret/ Secret Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) clearance when I was a lieutenant assigned to a nuclear capable 8-inch battalion in Germany where I served as the "Special Weapons Officer" for a battery and eventually the whole artillery group (Brigade equivalent). I maintained that clearance, with background update investigations every five years until I retired from the defense industry forty years later. Over those decades I was "read-on" to a couple of dozen different limited access programs. None required a polygraph.

In my experience Single Scope Background Investigations (SSBI) are typically granted for a single program. This is often used for enlisted personnel and civilians who typically will not have need to work in multiple compartmented programs. For instance, they were what we and the government would use for employees working specific technical limited access programs in my old corporation.

Limited access programs, military/ intel/ or technical, can run the gambit from specific weapons programs, intelligence programs (HUMIT and technical), to plans and operations.

If by harmful to the US, you mean the acquisition of that information could provide technical intelligence or human intelligence to a potential enemy, then yes. For instance, John Walker, a Navy employee provided the Soviets with compartmented information with regard to the Navy's ability to monitor Soviet submarines due to the sound generated by their propellers.

The Soviet's learning of and addressing this flaw made it far more difficult for the US to track and monitor Soviet ballistic missile boats - a harm that echoes to the present day.

 

[rookhawk]

The very sort of psychosis that seems to precede mass shootings or suicide - thankfully this individual chose the latter. Of course, in the current environment many will be inclined to believe him and accept his his ravings of gravitic propulsion systems as truth rather than consider the far more likely possibility that he simply desperately needed psychiatric help.

So you don't like the theory of gravitic propulsion systems to explain high g-force UAPs and prefer psyop or psychosis?

Then what is your theory regarding the most credible and high performance UAP sightings? Mass formation psychosis? Psyop plus doctored instrumentation of military craft and their eyewitnesses? Little green men?

 

[roverandbrew]

The Las Vegas bomber left a manifesto and mailed it along. He was involved in UAPs and also he alleges he provided some of the targeting for strikes against targets he deemed illegitimate in Afghanistan.

This was scraped from ZeroHedge and is worth a glance:

View attachment 655971

The strikes in 2019 were completely legal and CIVCAS was not an issue. Not sure why this is even a thing.

 

[roverandbrew]

The very sort of psychosis that seems to precede mass shootings or suicide - thankfully this individual chose the latter. Of course, in the current environment many will be inclined to believe him and accept his his ravings of gravitic propulsion systems as truth rather than consider the far more likely possibility that he simply desperately needed psychiatric help.

Special Access Programs do not typically require a lie detector test though some limited access programs do (maybe 10%?). My personal history is typical of many commissioned military personnel.

I was first granted a Top Secret/ Secret Compartmented Information (TS/SCI) clearance when I was a lieutenant assigned to a nuclear capable 8-inch battalion in Germany where I served as the "Special Weapons Officer" for a battery and eventually the whole artillery group (Brigade equivalent). I maintained that clearance, with background update investigations every five years until I retired from the defense industry forty years later. Over those decades I was "read-on" to a couple of dozen different limited access programs. None required a polygraph.

In my experience Single Scope Background Investigations (SSBI) are typically granted for a single program. This is often used for enlisted personnel and civilians who typically will not have need to work in multiple compartmented programs. For instance, they were what we and the government would use for employees working specific technical limited access programs in my old corporation.

Limited access programs, military/ intel/ or technical, can run the gambit from specific weapons programs, intelligence programs (HUMIT and technical), to plans and operations.

If by harmful to the US, you mean the acquisition of that information could provide technical intelligence or human intelligence to a potential enemy, then yes. For instance, John Walker, a Navy employee provided the Soviets with compartmented information with regard to the Navy's ability to monitor Soviet submarines due to the sound generated by their propellers.

The Soviet's learning of and addressing this flaw made it far more difficult for the US to track and monitor Soviet ballistic missile boats - a harm that echoes to the present day.

I agree on needed help. A CI Poly is extremely common and a requirement for access to systems for cable writing. Matt had a CI Poly.

 

[Red Leg]

So you don't like the theory of gravitic propulsion systems to explain high g-force UAPs and prefer psyop or psychosis?

Then what is your theory regarding the most credible and high performance UAP sightings? Mass formation psychosis? Psyop plus doctored instrumentation of military craft and their eyewitnesses? Little green men?

I think anyone who believes Chinese submarines are launching gravitic powered aircraft is delusional.

I also have no doubt that the vast majority of these sightings are indeed of something that can be easily explained - people tend to see what they want or are conditioned to see. So yes, a type of mass hysteria fed by the internet.

Some sightings have yet to be explained. Until they are, then they are indeed unknown. Some could be military, and some could be something else. But until we have something other than internet speculation, we will have to wait until we can reach out and touch one.

 

[Red Leg]

I agree on needed help. A CI Poly is extremely common and a requirement for access to systems for cable writing. Matt had a CI Poly.

He may well have. But as I say, I would be stunned if 10% of military SCI access requires a poly.

 

[roverandbrew]

He may well have. But as I say, I would be stunned if 10% of military SCI access requires a poly.

You are correct. Most SCI / SAP do not require a CI Poly. Mainly programs that are tied to other agencies or departments outside DOD.

 

[Red Leg]

I suspect that Hegseth's hearing will be pretty ugly. Unlike Kavanaugh, there will be an actual paper trail on Hegseth, to include, unfortunately, his own mother - regardless what she may now say.

Senate panel quietly seeking more info on Pete Hegseth ahead of confirmation hearings: Sources

Members of the Senate Armed Services Committee have quietly requested more information regarding allegations involving Defense Secretary pick Pete Hegseth, sources say.

abcnews.go.com

 

[rookhawk]

I think anyone who believes Chinese submarines are launching gravitic powered aircraft is delusional.

I also have no doubt that the vast majority of these sightings are indeed of something that can be easily explained - people tend to see what they want or are conditioned to see. So yes, a type of mass hysteria fed by the internet.

Some sightings have yet to be explained. Until they are, then they are indeed unknown. Some could be military, and some could be something else. But until we have something other than internet speculation, we will have to wait until we can reach out and touch one.

You can’t discount anything as delusional in this sphere without a superior or more probable hypothesis.

You’ve already discounted dumb people in your first comment. Yes, that solves for 90% of UAP/UFO sightings. Everybody is with you.

Now to the 10%. We have credible eyewitness (military) sightings of UAPs that defy physics in air and underwater, corroborated by multiple military technologies flight recorders and monitors.

Man-Made gravitic tech would be a not-so-delusional option in my opinion. A psy-op against our own servicemen with technology to create holograms for the visuals, and hacking or projecting false intel to our systems for the forensic evidence…that’s what would be required to take that on as a theory if you feel free to do so. (Doing so would completely undermine most people’s faith in the military of course) Third option is little green men or their drones which requires us to accept that some intelligence has travelled interdimensionally or faster than the speed of light which both require science fiction since we cannot even model how it could be done using science.

I have no problem with you saying the nut job was delusional in his manifesto since he showed other evidence of delusion. I do think the burden is on you to propose a more likely explanation for the most credible, military driven UAP reports. Bonus if you’d address the UAP commission guy funded by our government that went on record to Congress stating we have a retrieval program, that we’ve reverse engineered technology, and that we have recovered biologics for at least the last 110 years.

 

[Red Leg]

You can’t discount anything as delusional in this sphere without a superior or more probable hypothesis.

You’ve already discounted dumb people in your first comment. Yes, that solves for 90% of UAP/UFO sightings. Everybody is with you.

Now to the 10%. We have credible eyewitness (military) sightings of UAPs that defy physics in air and underwater, corroborated by multiple military technologies flight recorders and monitors.

Man-Made gravitic tech would be a not-so-delusional option in my opinion. A psy-op against our own servicemen with technology to create holograms for the visuals, and hacking or projecting false intel to our systems for the forensic evidence…that’s what would be required to take that on as a theory if you feel free to do so. (Doing so would completely undermine most people’s faith in the military of course) Third option is little green men or their drones which requires us to accept that some intelligence has travelled interdimensionally or faster than the speed of light which both require science fiction since we cannot even model how it could be done using science.

I have no problem with you saying the nut job was delusional in his manifesto since he showed other evidence of delusion. I do think the burden is on you to propose a more likely explanation for the most credible, military driven UAP reports. Bonus if you’d address the UAP commission guy funded by our government that went on record to Congress stating we have a retrieval program, that we’ve reverse engineered technology, and that we have recovered biologics for at least the last 110 years.

I fundamentally disagree. The burden of proof is on those claiming these anomalies do not have a natural or conventional explanation. Anything else is indeed just an hypothesis. And when that hypothesis is based on an accumulation of second hand data gleamed from the internet rather than direct research, I'll reserve my right to remain skeptical.

 

[rookhawk]

I fundamentally disagree. The burden of proof is on those claiming these anomalies do not have a natural or conventional explanation. Anything else is just an hypothesis. And when that hypothesis is based on an accumulation of second hand data gleamed from the internet rather than direct research, I'll reserve my right to remain skeptical.

The burden of proof is on those that make the extraordinary claim. We can discount the kook that off'd himself in Vegas, but the remaining extraordinary claim is from your beloved US Military.

Can we interview those that ran retrieval programs, worked on biologics, and have first hand knowledge? No, due to classification and secret penalties/codes, we don't have that ability. The US Gov't did appoint someone with the necessary clearances to directly interview all these compartmentalized program's eyewitnesses and he reported to congress.

Would you care to make comment on this? The military and US gov't is providing these explanations to the public on one hand, and they are saying that the observations of the best military documented UAP encounters of the last 25 years have no terrestrial explanation.

 

[Kevin Peacocke]

So now Biden honours Soros with an award. I think that will cement his legacy of hating America and also of the worst president in the USA's history. Roll on the 20th. Surely the sensible Democrats must have something to say?

 

[Red Leg]

The burden of proof is on those that make the extraordinary claim. We can discount the kook that off'd himself in Vegas, but the remaining extraordinary claim is from your beloved US Military.

Can we interview those that ran retrieval programs, worked on biologics, and have first hand knowledge? No, due to classification and secret penalties/codes, we don't have that ability. The US Gov't did appoint someone with the necessary clearances to directly interview all these compartmentalized program's eyewitnesses and he reported to congress.

Would you care to make comment on this? The military and US gov't is providing these explanations to the public on one hand, and they are saying that the observations of the best military documented UAP encounters of the last 25 years have no terrestrial explanation.

You simply have created a self-proving argument still without actual evidence other than hearsay. I'll simply choose not to accept it.

 

[rookhawk]

You simply have created a self-proving argument still without actual evidence other than hearsay. I'll simply choose not to accept it.

So no alternative explanation?

Occam's razor is a principle of theory construction or evaluation according to which, other things equal, explanations that posit fewer entities, or fewer kinds of entities, are to be preferred to explanations that posit more.

There are no simple answers. All of them are far-fetched, but the simplest of all would be extraordinary psyop and falsification of data by the US military in my opinion.