Politics

[Red Leg]

There is a group of people here who can’t find any wrongdoing of Trump.
I’m all against illegal immigration but having said that get ready for rising inflation and labor prices or finding no labor at all. Specifically after tariffs are implemented. It’s easy for us a few wealthy men talking around a firing circle but this will hit the lower and middle class hard starting with drug prices for medicare patients.
Also if we live long enough get ready for the challenges of the interpretation of all the amendments including second. Like I said before he opened the Pandoras box.

You potentially have a good point on the effect of some tariffs with respect to the cost of some goods. I suspect the level of those tariffs will depend upon the actions of the other parties. They are as much a negotiating tool as a revenue generator. But a rebalancing of worldwide protectionist economic policy is long overdue.

I do not buy the notion that tariffs will have any meaningful effect on inflation.

The reduction in illegal immigration inevitably will result in higher US wages - and yes, some of those wage increases will affect the cost of services.

With respect to "challenges to amendments," what do you think the justices appointed to SCOTUS do for a living? The court's every ruling is based directly or indirectly on its interpretation of the constitution - which of course, includes all the amendments. The court has ruled on several 2nd Amendment cases just since this thread began. Anyone of which could have completely changed the basic interpretation of the amendment had the court chosen to do so.

Dred Scott was a SCOTUS decision as was striking the striking the Missouri Compromise. The first was a rather tortuous bit of legal logic heavily relying on precedent and the latter was based upon the Fifth amendment.

The former decision was effectively reversed by the 1868 14th Amendment which was written to resolve the former slave citizenship issue. It was only stretched to apply to all children of non-citizens born in this country by US v Wong Kim Ark and subsequent decisions using this case as precedent. Just like any other precedent setting case, it is open to reinterpretation by the court. SCOTUS will undoubtedly get its opportunity with this executive directive.

 

[deewayne2003]

There is a group of people here who can’t find any wrongdoing of Trump.
I’m all against illegal immigration but having said that get ready for rising inflation and labor prices or finding no labor at all. Specifically after tariffs are implemented. It’s easy for us a few wealthy men talking around a firing circle but this will hit the lower and middle class hard starting with drug prices for medicare patients.
Also if we live long enough get ready for the challenges of the interpretation of all the amendments including second. Like I said before he opened the Pandoras box.

BRING IT ON!.... I'd rather pull off the band-aid fast than live the death by 1,000 cuts that the working people of this country have been through in the last 40 years!

Further more, I would like any publicly traded company caught employing illegals to be held liable for both the cost of deportation as well as restitution and punitive damages paid to any U.S. citizen that has had their identity stolen by these illegals.

For privately held companies that refuse to E-verify and are caught committing fraud to hire these illegals, should have ALL legal protections from liability removed; so if you hire illegals your L.L.C. is now void and you have the same liability as a sole proprietorship.

 

[Beaufort]

@Hunt anything, where in Alabama are you located?

 

[Hunt anything]

@Hunt anything, where in Alabama are you located?

In between Magnolia Springs and Bon Secour in Baldwin County.

 

[Doubleplay]

BRING IT ON!.... I'd rather pull off the band-aid fast than live the death by 1,000 cuts that the working people of this country have been through in the last 40 years!

Further more, I would like any publicly traded company caught employing illegals to be held liable for both the cost of deportation as well as restitution and punitive damages paid to any U.S. citizen that has had their identity stolen by these illegals.

For privately held companies that refuse to E-verify and are caught committing fraud to hire these illegals, should have ALL legal protections from liability removed; so if you hire illegals your L.L.C. is now void and you have the same liability as a sole proprietorship.

Do you realize we have a %4 unemployment and most jobs openings are not being fulfilled even with all the illegals coming in? Our federal minimum wage still around $7.00 but I'm having a hard time to hire legal workers for $20/hr.
Or do you know our population is in a downward trend and barely stable with immigration?
Or do you understand the wealth we created in the last 40 years was done with legal /illegal labor?
Bring it on? Easier for people like us to say.

 

[Hunt anything]

Do you realize we have a %4 unemployment and most jobs openings are not being fulfilled even with all the illegals coming in? Our federal minimum wage still around $7.00 but I'm having a hard time to hire legal workers for $20/hr.
Or do you know our population is in a downward trend and barely stable with immigration?
Or do you understand the wealth we created in the last 40 years was done with legal /illegal labor?
Bring it on? Easier for people like us to say.

While this is true look at the labor participation rate, it has been hovering around 60% for years, I haven’t looked lately so it may be up or down.

 

[Beaufort]

In between Magnolia Springs and Bon Secour in Baldwin County.

My mother’s family has been in Baldwin county for a long, long time. The Bryant’s. You may be familiar with Bryant’s Landing. They were up in the Stockton area.

 

[deewayne2003]

Do you realize we have a %4 unemployment and most jobs openings are not being fulfilled even with all the illegals coming in? Our federal minimum wage still around $7.00 but I'm having a hard time to hire legal workers for $20/hr.
Or do you know our population is in a downward trend and barely stable with immigration?
Or do you understand the wealth we created in the last 40 years was done with legal /illegal labor?
Bring it on? Easier for people like us to say.

Yes I realize all of those things that people who love cheap labor have been grumbling about for the last decade.

Most of our troubles with jobs being unfilled is a disconnect of employers thinking that raising todays wages to the point they should have been 10+ years ago is going to motivate people; that combined with most of these open jobs being of the dead end variety.

I recently heard a home builder belly aching about how he couldn't hire a finish carpenter for $17hr after advertising for nearly a year; to which I had to ask...... Why would anybody work for you for $17hr when they could work for either themselves or someone else just 1 hour south of here and make $100K a year?

His response....."Nobody want's to work anymore!" = The death bellow of employers who made their money off of employees whos' wages have been kept low for decades.

Same with excavation companies - They want to pay equipment operators $15hr to operate machines that cost $1Mil and wonder why they have high turnover and machines destroyed by operator error; and of course I'm the bad guy in the board room when I ask why would people operate bulldozers for $15hr when teenagers are starting at Chick-Fil-A for $15hr?

 

[Beaufort]

Yes I realize all of those things that people who love cheap labor have been grumbling about for the last decade.

Most of our troubles with jobs being unfilled is a disconnect of employers thinking that raising todays wages to the point they should have been 10+ years ago is going to motivate people; that combined with most of these open jobs being of the dead end variety.

I recently heard a home builder belly aching about how he couldn't hire a finish carpenter for $17hr after advertising for nearly a year; to which I had to ask...... Why would anybody work for you for $17hr when they could work for either themselves or someone else just 1 hour south of here and make $100K a year?

His response....."Nobody want's to work anymore!" = The death bellow of employers who made their money off of employees whos' wages have been kept low for decades.

Same with excavation companies - They want to pay equipment operators $15hr to operate machines that cost $1Mil and wonder why they have high turnover and machines destroyed by operator error; and of course I'm the bad guy in the board room when I ask why would people operate bulldozers for $15hr when teenagers are starting at Chick-Fil-A for $15hr?

I think it’s also exacerbated by local governments that won’t allow greater density to enable developers to build more affordable housing. As a retired developer, we fought constantly to be able to build housing that lower income people could afford. I’m not talking about government housing, but something a young couple could buy for $300k that wasn’t a piece of crap. Where I am now the local restaurants can’t find decent line cooks or waitstaff because once they learn anything about the job, they go 15 miles away to a resort area and make twice as much.

 

[Altitude sickness]

And just like that. We have curious, questioning journalists again.

 

[deewayne2003]

I think it’s also exacerbated by local governments that won’t allow greater density to enable developers to build more affordable housing. As a retired developer, we fought constantly to be able to build housing that lower income people could afford. I’m not talking about government housing, but something a young couple could buy for $300k that wasn’t a piece of crap. Where I am now the local restaurants can’t find decent line cooks or waitstaff because once they learn anything about the job, they go 15 miles away to a resort are and make twice as much.

@Beaufort

You bring up 2 really good points.

1. Affordable housing - You are correct, most municipalities think of affordable housing as apartments that qualify for Sec 8 government assistance; nothing is being built for the first time home buyer because of regulation and focusing on building housing to accommodate the low wage crowd so low wage employers can have labor.

2. Training for others - The number of companies that are training workers only to offer them up to better paying employers is mind boggling; you can't expect to train people then pay them 50% less than your competition and expect to retain them...... your just making the hiring, training and retention of your competition cheaper- and may well be the cause of them being able to offer higher wages if they do not have the revolving door cost that some low wage employers have.

I recently went to a county wide work force development meeting with local business owners, bank presidents, university professors and presidents.

It was nothing but a bitch fest about how they couldn't hire people for low wages.

The only people more delusional than employers were the academics that were in attendance....

College professors - trying to sell their latest "Micro certification programs" and they were promptly shut down when business owners said they don't need anymore paper tigers, they needed people who can actually do the work and have experience VASTLY preferred over education.

One college president demonstrated his complete disconnect with reality by saying......
"We are just hiring away each others talent and it's not productive, I had a young lady working in our office for the last year who was WONDERFUL and we were paying her $9hr; but she left our office to work for the bank across the street because they started her at $15hr!"

You could have heard a pin drop in that room until one of the bank presidents asked the university president "Wouldn't you change jobs for a 60% pay increase for a job across the street?"

The college presidents face was priceless!....... you could tell he had never thought about it.

 

[spike.t]

Elephants are not people, rules Colorado Supreme Court

Judges ruled a bid to free five elderly African elephants from Cheyenne Mountain Zoo was based on a law that only applied to humans.

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