Politics

[sgt_zim]

Who was it that rolled SS into the general fund and caused all the problems?

It has been going to the general fund every since the USSC agreed with the plaintiff in that 1938/39 case when it was pointed out that there was no constitutional provision for the fedgov to operate a trust fund.

 

[mdwest]

Sounds like it could be an ATC issue?

On another, primarily military forum I participate in, there are a couple of FAA and ATC guys chatting about some of the information already available in the public domain.. it sounds like they are very concerned that this may have been an ATC failure…

Apparently they were moving aircraft around in the airspace to utilize the runways more efficiently at Reagan.. advised the Blackhawk to obtain a visual on the inbound American Airlines flight… the Blackhawk acknowledged it saw a bird.. but the bird the Blackhawk was watching was NOT the one it was on a collision course with.. and ATC didn’t catch it or continue to monitor or advise the Blackhawk to move…

Again, this is all 3rd party, and an investigation hasn’t been done.. it’s just chatter between a couple of FAA security types and a couple of retired mil ATC.. but they know more about how to decipher the information they’re looking at than I do.. so I’m paying attention and listening..

 

[lwaters]

Washington D C is some of the most congested airspace in the country.

So the Army goes out there for some training. Man this country lacks common sense.

 

[deewayne2003]

That’s easy to say when you haven’t paid into the system for forty years. I’d gladly have kept my money and invested it, I would be far ahead of anything I’ll get from my investment in SS. However, to force me to invest in SS for forty years and then say ‘sorry it’s gone because we mismanaged it’ just doesn’t cut it.

Ok lets address your concerns in order......

1. No I haven't paid into SS for 40 years - I've paid into it for 27 years to date and by the time I'm 62yo I will have paid into it for 48 years.

2. Like you I would have gladly kept my money, as I believe SS gives something around -3.5% on investment; but my generation and those younger than me have had no choice but to be at the mercy of a giant voting block that refuses to let anyone change the system appropriately.

3. Yeah it sucks, however the insolvency of SS has been well known for decades now; I remember my college finance professor who was in his 70's at the time railing against social security and how it was going to fail, and this was in 2003.

My point being - Any adjustments made now will affect BOTH of us and I'm willing to at least accept adjustments to this failed system to make sure future generations at least receive something from the program we've been forced to pay into.

However the "Not going to cut it/off with their heads/hurray for me not for thee" mind set of the boomer voting block will insure the checks keep coming for their generation and will leave future generations holding the bar tab for nothing but empty bottles left over from the party crashed by what is now the wealthiest generation in American history.

 

[mdwest]

So the Army goes out there for some training. Man this country lacks common sense.

The unit is located in the DC metro area and flies live missions there daily…

If it wanted to go somewhere else to train, it would still have to enter DC metro airspace just to get off the ground and leave the area…

The pilots assigned to that unit are among the best in the military.. many of them are either headed into or headed out of the special operations air units… rookie pilots and flight crews don’t get assigned to a VIP transport unit that routinely has passengers on board like general officers, secretaries of the army, congressmen, etc…

If they’re going to fly with VIPs every day in the DC airspace as their primary mission.. where would you expect their best training opportunities to be? Flying over rural parts of Mississippi?

Rule #1 in military training… train like you fight.. so that you’ll fight like you trained..

They were exactly where they should be as an experienced flight crew training to deal with DC airspace… (whatever that training mission was for the day… there are a litany of things flight crews train for ranging from easy to difficult)…

 

[deewayne2003]

It has been going to the general fund every since the USSC agreed with the plaintiff in that 1938/39 case when it was pointed out that there was no constitutional provision for the fedgov to operate a trust fund.

THANK YOU!

So every time you hear an SS beneficiary shrug off any conversation on SS reform with something like.....

"Social Security was doing fine until that son of a bitch (insert whoever they didn't vote for) robbed the trust fund!"

You then know your dealing with a person that likes to believe whatever is morally convenient for them with no basis of knowledge for the actual issue at hand and they will most likely continue to vote accordingly.

 

[Brent in Az]

Human error is the #1 cause of air crashes.
Unfortunately, we lost 64 civilians, and 3 highly trained military members.

 

[mdwest]

On another, primarily military forum I participate in, there are a couple of FAA and ATC guys chatting about some of the information already available in the public domain.. it sounds like they are very concerned that this may have been an ATC failure…

Apparently they were moving aircraft around in the airspace to utilize the runways more efficiently at Reagan.. advised the Blackhawk to obtain a visual on the inbound American Airlines flight… the Blackhawk acknowledged it saw a bird.. but the bird the Blackhawk was watching was NOT the one it was on a collision course with.. and ATC didn’t catch it or continue to monitor or advise the Blackhawk to move…

Again, this is all 3rd party, and an investigation hasn’t been done.. it’s just chatter between a couple of FAA security types and a couple of retired mil ATC.. but they know more about how to decipher the information they’re looking at than I do.. so I’m paying attention and listening..

It looks like Trump is laying it at the feet of the FAA and the ATC as well..

Just made an announcement scathing the FAA for DEI hiring practices that put less qualified people in ATC…

And naturally the media blames Trump.. because he gutted FAA safety for DEI days ago..

us plane crash latest news: Washington plane crash: Trump gutted key aviation safety committee for DEI rollback days before deadly mid-air collision - The Economic Times

Washington plane crash: Just days before the deadly Washington plane crash, President Donald Trump fired the heads of Transportation Security Administration and Coast Guard as well as eliminated a key aviation security advisory group. Trump scrapped an aviation oversight group as part of his...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Hunt anything]

THANK YOU!

So every time you hear an SS beneficiary shrug off any conversation on SS reform with something like.....

"Social Security was doing fine until that son of a bitch (insert whoever they didn't vote for) robbed the trust fund!"

You then know your dealing with a person that likes to believe whatever is morally convenient for them with no basis of knowledge for the actual issue at hand and they will most likely continue to vote accordingly.

I can’t remember, what administration was always talking about the Social Security “lock box” seems like it was Clinton but not 100% on that. My dad who never cussed looked at me and said “that’s bull sh**t”

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

I can’t remember, what administration was always talking about the Social Security “lock box” seems like it was Clinton but not 100% on that. My dad who never cussed looked at me and said “that’s bull sh**t”

It was a term Al Gore used when running for POTUS.

 

[deewayne2003]

I can’t remember, what administration was always talking about the Social Security “lock box” seems like it was Clinton but not 100% on that. My dad who never cussed looked at me and said “that’s bull sh**t”

I don't remember exactly, I was 10yo in 1993 but I still remember my devout Democrat grandfathers both being major league pissed off about Clinton's social security tax rate adjustment.

While at the same time cheering Clinton's welfare cuts.

 

[USN]

I recently was a 16 year Contract FAA academy instructor, the amount of DEI hires for future Air Traffic Controllers was 90/10. This was bound to happen.
No matter how much you polish a turd, end result a turd that shines.

 

[lwaters]

It looks like Trump is laying it at the feet of the FAA and the ATC as well..

Just made an announcement scathing the FAA for DEI hiring practices that put less qualified people in ATC…

And naturally the media blames Trump.. because he gutted FAA safety for DEI days ago..

us plane crash latest news: Washington plane crash: Trump gutted key aviation safety committee for DEI rollback days before deadly mid-air collision - The Economic Times

Washington plane crash: Just days before the deadly Washington plane crash, President Donald Trump fired the heads of Transportation Security Administration and Coast Guard as well as eliminated a key aviation security advisory group. Trump scrapped an aviation oversight group as part of his...

m.economictimes.com

Trump seem to be blaming both air control and the pilot of the helicopter. Several years ago an army helicopter hit a private plane and they both crashed about 100yards off our property line here in Kansas. Never heard who was to blame. Some of their pilots here have been known to fly to low over private property at night spooking livestock. This stopped after a rancher complained to the Army. So there are good pilots and bad. Still it lacks common sense to be training at night over a busy airport. Some of these pilots think their quit the jock.

 

[cash_tx]

The footage of the collision is quite harrowing.

 

[mdwest]

audio of ATC talking to aircraft during the crash...

 

[Hunt anything]

Trump seem to be blaming both air control and the pilot of the helicopter. Several years ago an army helicopter hit a private plane and they both crashed about 100yards off our property line here in Kansas. Never heard who was to blame. Some of their pilots here have been known to fly to low over private property at night spooking livestock. This stopped after a rancher complained to the Army. So there are good pilots and bad. Still it lacks common sense to be training at night over a busy airport. Some of these pilots think their quit the jock.

When my brother in law was active they trained almost exclusively at night because their missions were at night. He flew a lot of drug interdiction.

 

[mdwest]

Trump seem to be blaming both air control and the pilot of the helicopter. Several years ago an army helicopter hit a private plane and they both crashed about 100yards off our property line here in Kansas. Never heard who was to blame. Some of their pilots here have been known to fly to low over private property at night spooking livestock. This stopped after a rancher complained to the Army. So there are good pilots and bad. Still it lacks common sense to be training at night over a busy airport. Some of these pilots think their quit the jock.

The pilots dont generate the training or the training requirements.. they execute the training that they are told to execute.. certainly some push the limits during training.. but if they were flying at night over DC, that wasn't their call.. that was simply where they were told to go to do what they were told to do..

ALL of that said, training at night near a busy airport is EXACTLY what these guys should be doing.. again, consider who is assigned to this particular unit, and what this units mission is, and where it is located.. they quite literally CANNOT take off from their home base (Belvior) without being in DC airspace... Their post is located INSIDE DC metro airspace... they fly live missions at night over DC all the time.. they fly live missions into and out of the Pentagon (right next to Reagan National ) at night, all the time..

You train like you fight.. and fight like you train..

This was not a rookie air crew..

 

[cwpayton]

On another, primarily military forum I participate in, there are a couple of FAA and ATC guys chatting about some of the information already available in the public domain.. it sounds like they are very concerned that this may have been an ATC failure…

Apparently they were moving aircraft around in the airspace to utilize the runways more efficiently at Reagan.. advised the Blackhawk to obtain a visual on the inbound American Airlines flight… the Blackhawk acknowledged it saw a bird.. but the bird the Blackhawk was watching was NOT the one it was on a collision course with.. and ATC didn’t catch it or continue to monitor or advise the Blackhawk to move…

Again, this is all 3rd party, and an investigation hasn’t been done.. it’s just chatter between a couple of FAA security types and a couple of retired mil ATC.. but they know more about how to decipher the information they’re looking at than I do.. so I’m paying attention and listening..

In my years as ATC you would never clear an air craft across short final with approaching traffic , not sure what the heck was going on. especially a slow moving helicopter. maybe they do things different now, but I doubt it. were they wearing night vision, that restricts peripheral ?

 

[rookhawk]

I thought they were anti-gravity drones using alien tech? The mother ship hypothesis was so much more exciting.

And sniffer drones? I think this was a major contributing component along with Orson Wells like public hysteria.

One of the tested variants of which I am familiar is an army tilt rotor design for frontline resupply.

Drone mystery solved? This little-known government program may explain New Jersey's drone sightings

The mystery of the swarms of drones over New Jersey may finally have been solved... or at least partially.

www.sandboxx.us

The Wells effect

https://www.memedroid.com/memes/detail/4421799/New-Jersey-Guide-to-Aircraft-Identification?refGallery=tags&page=2&tag=Drone

@Red Leg you've conflated these topics a few times.

Three things being discussed, you blend them together as a strawman or ad hominem whether accidentally or intentionally.

1.) We talked about drones known as UAPs that defy physics. I cited the government's reports and the government clearing house on that topic. Most of the credible reports are multiple corroborations of the same event. Pilots visually, their instrumentation, and ground/naval instrumentation. Those defy the laws of physics according to the reports and video going above and below water and speeds and maneuvers that have not been explained to the general public.

2.) We talked about meatheads using civilian drones in closed airspace. Terror? A-holes?

3.) We discussed the November madness on the east coast where numerous photos and videos showed government quality drones the size of automobiles flying around New Jersey and Pennsylvania. My comments above were about point (3) herein. The amount of Federal, State, and Local government work spent trying to identify these was exhaustive. Months of speculation occurred. Sitting members of congress were suggesting they were foreign powers launching them off the coast. The Feds were saying nothing constructive other than we'll look into it. But now, as of two days ago Trump issues a statement that they were authorized flights known to the FAA and other Federal agencies? If it wasn't something nefarious, wouldn't a simple phone call from the operators to the FAA have cleared the mystery immediately, rather than requiring a damned press release from the sitting US President 75 days later? What mission do automobile sized drones need to fulfill every night over the Eastern seaboard over citizens homes, outside of US bases?

Point 3 is the topic. Lets not warp the conversation by mixing point 1 as they are unrelated technologies, locations, and observations.

 

[lwaters]

The pilots dont generate the training or the training requirements.. they execute the training that they are told to execute.. certainly some push the limits during training.. but if they were flying at night over DC, that wasn't their call.. that was simply where they were told to go to do what they were told to do..

ALL of that said, training at night near a busy airport is EXACTLY what these guys should be doing.. again, consider who is assigned to this particular unit, and what this units mission is, and where it is located.. they quite literally CANNOT take off from their home base (Belvior) without being in DC airspace... Their post is located INSIDE DC metro airspace... they fly live missions at night over DC all the time.. they fly live missions into and out of the Pentagon (right next to Reagan National ) at night, all the time..

You train like you fight.. and fight like you train..

This was not a rookie air crew..

Well anytime I look up at the sky there is a plane somewhere. So I guess you are always in someones airspace. I agree with Trump why didn't he see the plane? There has been near collisions there not that long ago. I guess training is more important than civilian lives. I believe there are incredibly stupid people in the military and government. I remember an incident when I was in the Navy. Someone higher up thought it would be great training to land a helicopter on our helo deck . This ship was built in the 1940 a destroyer tender. Now they only had inches to spare or prop would hit lifeline. My job was to move the port cranes boon out over the ocean to be out of the way. I had the best view on the ship. We'll the helicopters prop hit the lifeline metal flew up and hit the crane. The pilot just barely saved the copter from going into the ocean. Totally dumb idea. Even my Chief thought as much. Always before the chopper hovered and used a lifeline and that's what they continued to do. I wondered what would have happened if the chopper went into the ocean.