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[rigbymauser]

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In spite of the name of the party, the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Deutsche Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei) definitely was not a socialist left movement. It represented an extreme right wing ideology focused on obedience to the will of a Fuhrer (Leader). The movement was classic fascism.

Fascism is more of a tweaner political system actually....it's central authoritarian gooberment control but allows capitalist control of production.....not really a monarchy, but closer to that than being socialist/marxist as it allows for private property ownership/private sector production where the other two are dominated by gooberment control of production/limited to no private property ownership. There are variations of all of the "ism's", the Nazi's being a variation of socialism, IMO.

Even Adolf admitted he was depended of privat owned campanies(their money really) as they could provide capital and knowhow for his warmachine. There was a lot of private owned shops and companies during Hitlers reign. He didn`t nationalize everything. It was a toletarian system that still allowed one think everything what one wanted so long it didn`t spoke against the nationalsocialst idea. And thats was narrow.
The nationalsocialist system was a mold where the whole german society should be conformed into through educations, schools, mindset, special camps peopel could attend to.

The Socialist left always eats it's own. Communists have always murdered other Communists, Marxists have always murdered other Marxists, and Socialists have always murdered other Socialists. Lenin and then Stalin murdered Leon Trotsky, and purged millions in the 1920's, including loyal Party members. Hitler had dozens of close friends murdered, including Ernst Rohm. Mao starved an estimated 40 million in China, and was directly responsible for the deaths of other Party members, including former lovers. Again, Socialists have always murdered other Socialists, even within their own Political Party. To say that one Socialist murdered another Socialist because their Political beliefs differed is false. Quite to the contrary, they often killed their Political rivals in turf wars and internal power struggles within the Party.

State Control, as I stated above, is the central hallmark of all brands of Socialism.

Not so. Socialism has always been a 2 class system, composed of Party members in one class, all others in a lower class. This is exactly what George Orwell meant by "Some are more equal than others."

When businesses didn't cooperate with the Nazi Party, their businesses were taken from their owners and placed under the control of the State. Hugo Junkers was thrown out of his own factory. Many industries were expropriated from their owners, sold to loyal members of the Nazi Party, then operated for the benefit of the State. So whether by physical force (Brown Shirts/SA), by legal coercion (Taxes, labor laws), or volutarily, the end result was the same, State Control of the means of Production.

Exactly. Karl Marx often stated that Socialism would be spread through the Trade Unions. The German Labor Front was instrumental in the implementation of State policy in every industry in Germany.

You've simply proven my point. Socialists have always murdered any other Socialist they considered a threat.

This is because they were largely free bread and circuses to gain support of the masses. Every Megalomaniac that became a Socialist Dictator never intended to implement the things they initially promised. Once a Socialist Dictator consolidates total power, popular support is unnecessary.

Precisely what I've described, centralized power and near total control in the hands of the State. Methods may differ, but the ultimate goal is the same.

Where you, many Historians and Political Science authors differ with my conclusions is this. You concentrate mostly on the things that separate different Socialist movements. My concern is how they are the same.

Socialism and Communism are simply two dogs of the same breed.

You nailed it!!.

Under communist role the partymembers and the party top enjoyed privileges the rest of the subpressed couldn`t enjoy. Under communist rule the people was feed by the government and free speech could get you in prison if one agitated against the regime.
In an unregulated capitalistic system(like what Reagan created)) where everyman by himself the majority is fxxxxx too. Very few winners and many losers. You are free to say what you want but you are screwed anyway and nobody gives a s... if you do say what you want to say.

 

[sgt_zim]

I am not defending either. Merely pointing out Nazism and radical socialism are not the same thing, however similar their methodologies might seem to a victim of either regime - though those victims would generally be different.

Their methodologies don't seem the same, they are the same.

Socialism/communism was never going to produce a classless society, it merely redefined who was going to be in which class.

One of the master strokes of the national socialists was to not nationalize industry and commerce the way the international socialists had. Ownership under national socialism was nominal, not actual. To own a thing is to have control over a thing. In both cases, the state controlled the means of production.

The bitter feud between the national socialists and the international socialists was a bitter feud between siblings.

 

[ActionBob]

Under communist role the partymembers and the party top enjoyed privileges the rest of the subpressed couldn`t enjoy. Under communist rule the people was feed by the government and free speech could get you in prison if one agitated against the regime.
In an unregulated capitalistic system(like what Reagan created)) where everyman by himself the majority is fxxxxx too. Very few winners and many losers. You are free to say what you want but you are screwed anyway and nobody gives a s... if you do say what you want to say.

On the first part, yes. And that is exactly what the Democrat party of Biden and Harris looks like! We were precariously close to going exactly there!

On the second part of your reply to fail to mention that Everyone has the Opportunity to succeed. This is The American Way! It is the only system that has proven over and over to actually work and allow people to move upwards from their lot in life.

 

[ActionBob]

A path we chose to be sure. But it was done greatly in light of the criticism from WW2 that we did not get involved soon enough. Half of my family is from and most still do from that side live in the UK. I listened all of my childhood of the criticism from those family members how we should've been involved sooner, never once do I recall an expression of thanks for the effort.

I have a friend that I used to work with whose father served in WW2. The father was a very intelligent person, having become fluent in French I think when he was still in high school. He served in the army helping in communication with the French resistance. After the liberation of Paris, he was assigned there.

One day he and his buddies were eating lunch at one of those outdoor cafes sitting at a table next to some newly liberate Parisians. The woman at the table could do nothing but bitch and moan about all of the American soldiers, oblivious it seems to thinking someone nearby may be fluent in her language.

After so much of this, the man asked her exactly why she was complaining so much about the people who were willing to die for her liberation? Her answer was, "Well it's all the rage."

My point is yes it was our decision, the idea was to prevent a repeat war of that magnitude that Europe was certain all in support of, that is at least as the Americans were paying for it. That seems to be changing now, and I only know one POTUS that has had the balls to make it happen, love him or hate him. And the Europeans at least for the time being are on board with that, some of them anyhow.

Phil i think you may need too polite to say it, but we determined after 2 World wars started in Europe within one generation that we could not leave Europe to it's own devices. Lest we be pulled in yet again. So we became the World Police.... Admittedly not always doing the best job of it.

Now we hope the Europeans have grown up and with the European Union they should be effectively the United States of Europe and with their economies tied together, hopefully they all play nice together and when a bully from accross the tracks comes over to pick a fight, they should be able to band together and not need big brother to come to the rescue.

 

[WAB]

Phil i think you may need too polite to say it, but we determined after 2 World wars started in Europe within one generation that we could not leave Europe to it's own devices. Lest we be pulled in yet again. So we became the World Police.... Admittedly not always doing the best job of it.

Now we hope the Europeans have grown up and with the European Union they should be effectively the United States of Europe and with their economies tied together, hopefully they all play nice together and when a bully from accross the tracks comes over to pick a fight, they should be able to band together and not need big brother to come to the rescue.

Bob,
You have a much higher opinion of the folks in Brussels than I do. I hope you are right, but their recent interference in Romania certainly gives me pause.
Bill

 

[Fastrig]

How?

Canada still gets to have an election- it's up to you citizens to handle your own political landscape. Pretty sure Americans don't get to vote up north.

Territorial Integrity? Do you ACTUALLY believe the US will make Canada "the 51st State?" Because that really only happens one of two ways. 1 - your government is so weak that it lays down and dies, and asks the US to join the union. 2- The US declares war and takes over... which is not even remotely a possibility. - - - if you believe either of these scenarios are realistic, I cannot take you seriously.

Now, I do feel I understand why you are so frustrated, especially at Trump. While his 51st state comments are designed to make your political leaders mad (and its working), it also has an unintended snowball effect where the Canadian citizens like yourself are also mad. I would be equally mad if California said they were going to make wherever I lived part of their state (but only if I believed they could/would actually do it). ... Trumps tactics are rarely polite and friendly. I've gotten used to it and ultimately his end results are 90% of the time or more favorable to my lifestyle and positions, therefore I have no reason to complain about what he does or how he does it.

For too long America has been too generous. We are overwhelmingly in debt to the point of near bankruptcy. To change that, we have to upset the apple cart. Logically, that's going to piss some people off (such as yourself in this instance), but as a whole, it's good for America's budget and therefore good for taxpayers.

Do Americans care about Canadians? I would largely think that we do. Do we care more about Canadians than ourselves? Doubtful, just the same as you don't care more about Americans than yourself.

Well said!!!!!

 

[fourfive8]

Their methodologies don't seem the same, they are the same.

Socialism/communism was never going to produce a classless society, it merely redefined who was going to be in which class.

One of the master strokes of the national socialists was to not nationalize industry and commerce the way the international socialists had. Ownership under national socialism was nominal, not actual. To own a thing is to have control over a thing. In both cases, the state controlled the means of production.

The bitter feud between the national socialists and the international socialists was a bitter feud between siblings.

Yes. It would pay for everyone to re-visit and 1984 and Animal House one more time

 

[Tbitty]

Yes. It would pay for everyone to re-visit and 1984 and Animal House one more time

 

[Doubleplay]

Here we go again:

“If this Tariff is not removed immediately, the U.S. will shortly place a 200% Tariff on all WINES, CHAMPAGNES, & ALCOHOLIC PRODUCTS COMING OUT OF FRANCE AND OTHER E.U. REPRESENTED COUNTRIES,” Trump wrote. “This will be great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S.”

Because he doesn't drink I don't think he knows there's no champagne being produced here in US.
I also think he lost it....

 

[Inline6]

Here we go again:

“If this Tariff is not removed immediately, the U.S. will shortly place a 200% Tariff on all WINES, CHAMPAGNES, & ALCOHOLIC PRODUCTS COMING OUT OF FRANCE AND OTHER E.U. REPRESENTED COUNTRIES,” Trump wrote. “This will be great for the Wine and Champagne businesses in the U.S.”

Because he doesn't drink I don't think he knows there's no champagne being produced here in US.
I also think he lost it....

Sounds like a business opportunity

 

[Russ16]

Sounds like a business opportunity

Champagne can’t be produced in the US. You can make sparkling wine but can’t call it champagne.

Many alcohol products are unique to their region even mimicking the techniques doesn’t result in a product with the same characteristics.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

Oh goodness, the sky is falling.

 

[rigbymauser]

On the first part, yes. And that is exactly what the Democrat party of Biden and Harris looks like! We were precariously close to going exactly there!

On the second part of your reply to fail to mention that Everyone has the Opportunity to succeed. This is The American Way! It is the only system that has proven over and over to actually work and allow people to move upwards from their lot in life.

You are right that in america everyone has an opportunity. But that mindset its a leftover from the colonial times that many cling on to. Go find gold and you are rich. But in reality more and more of your citizens are being pushed over the edge because they don`t find gold. You are wrong if you believe that its only in america that has proven system that allow people to move upwards(social mobility).

 

[Red Leg]

Oh goodness, the sky is falling.

If I have to pay 2X for a Margaux, you better believe it is.

 

[Red Leg]

You are right that in america everyone has an opportunity. But that mindset its a leftover from the colonial times that many cling on to. Go find gold and you are rich. But in reality more and more of your citizens are being pushed over the edge because they don`t find gold. You are wrong if you believe that its only in america that has proven system that allow people to move upwards(social mobility).

"Left over form the colonial" may be one of the more ignorant statements yet posted here - and that is saying a lot. I suspect I have been around this planet at least as much as you have? Perhaps as well read and educated? I can not think of any other country where I would more want to set out again on a career. Sure, there are places where government will hold me closer to its suffocating bosom as I am fed my allotted share, but anyone with a modicum of ambition can succeed here better and faster than anywhere else in the world.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

If I have to pay 2X for a Margaux, you better believe it is.

Just switch to clear bottle Miller High Life, it's the champagne of beers.

 

[wesheltonj]

If I have to pay 2X for a Margaux, you better believe it is.

I will save you a couple of dollars, see below:

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/hill-country/article/texas-winery-best-cabernet-2025-20053831.php

Singing Water Vineyards | The Hill Country's Best Day Trip

Stunning views, unique buildings, mature oak trees and beautiful sunsets make the Singing Water Vineyards a favorite destination for the Hill Country.

singingwater.com

 

[Red Leg]

I will save you a couple of dollars, see below:

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/hill-country/article/texas-winery-best-cabernet-2025-20053831.php

Singing Water Vineyards | The Hill Country's Best Day Trip

Stunning views, unique buildings, mature oak trees and beautiful sunsets make the Singing Water Vineyards a favorite destination for the Hill Country.

singingwater.com

I don't always drink Texas swill, but when I do, it is a Grape Creek blend.

 

[Red Leg]

Just switch to clear bottle Miller High Life, it's the champagne of beers.

Not only isn't it champagne, it isn't even beer.

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

I don't always drink Texas swill, but when I do, it is a Grape Creek blend.

Hey we've spent time at that winery. Nice lunch and my ignorant palate even enjoyed the wine. More of a good cigar and 21 year old Balvenie scotch guy.