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Loosely rests the dictator's crown as he sits upon his wobbly throne.

"Grim war-gods from remote ages have stalked upon the scene. International good faith; the public law of Europe; the greatest good of the greatest number; the ideal of a fertile, tolerant, progressive, demilitarized, infinitely varied society, is shattered. Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers from which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry." Winston Churchill 1937



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On this, we totally agree.

5% in the US is bad enough, but I do not miss VAT at all.

If the average EU citizen wants to suck it up, then I guess it'll stay though.

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In LA county it is 10.5%. It is 7.75% in Orange County where I live. Needless to say I do not buy anything that is expensive in LA county. When I bought my shotgun, I had them ship it to my FFL in Orange County it was cheaper.
 
Loosely rests the dictator's crown as he sits upon his wobbly throne.

"Grim war-gods from remote ages have stalked upon the scene. International good faith; the public law of Europe; the greatest good of the greatest number; the ideal of a fertile, tolerant, progressive, demilitarized, infinitely varied society, is shattered. Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers from which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry." Winston Churchill 1937



The presidential honor guard is patted down for hidden weapons and explosives.


Putin must fear that the end is near.
 
mdwest wrote the artical wasn`t really a true source I had referred to. Canada is a good friend to the US again.
I think think the issue with the article is that it’s an editorial and was short on specific policy changes. There was a lot of “we Canadians” talk by someone who can’t speak for all Canadians. He’s not a politician or a statesman.

No one would argue that the relationship is anything but strained right now but one would have to be blind to not already realize that.

The article simply lacks substance.
 
I think think the issue with the article is that it’s an editorial and was short on specific policy changes. There was a lot of “we Canadians” talk by someone who can’t speak for all Canadians. He’s not a politician or a statesman.

No one would argue that the relationship is anything but strained right now but one would have to be blind to not already realize that.

The article simply lacks substance.

Exactly.

It’s an op-ed. An opinion piece.

It may be an opinion shared by a lot of Canadians… or shared by none..

How many Canadians agree or disagree is irrelevant…

It is not the official position of the Canadian government or any senior official of the government…

It’s merely the opinion of a writer which others may or may not share..
 
Yes, people are naive and especially so when they are profiting from a quiet invasion.

The old guard farmers in my area of Oklahoma started bitching about foreigners buying houses in town so it made it hard for their farm hands(illegal migrants) to rent houses.

Now these same farmers are practically cheerleaders for chairman Mao as they brag about how much they are selling land for.

They honestly believe these “investors” stories about how they were construction workers in China that immigrated and started their own business and after just a few short years after landing penniless they are now buying MILLIONS of dollars of property and ALL CASH and often 2X over appraised value.

FYI the Chinese Mafia runs nationwide illicit drug rings from Oklahoma…..

But are welcomed with clapping hands by baby boomers looking to sell inherited land & houses.
I have several friends in OK that own a bit of land. They have given me basically the same information. Wild that the big magic trick is to focus on Russia and not in our own country.
 
On the VAT tax thing, compare the advantage to a federal income tax where the USA gets screwed. Assume no tariffs to keep it simple.

Company A (as in US of) has a tax on income made in the US. No (federal) sales tax. And No tax on income made and reported in some other country so long as those dollars stay overseas.

Country X has a VAT tax on anything Sold within it's borders. Even if made in country A, or B, or C...etc. (Probably some income tax on income made/reported in X as well.)

Company zzz makes widgets in country X, marks them up (way up) and sells to their US affialiate - thereby keeping almost all of the income in country X. Country A gets minimal tax benefit from the foreign produced widgets.

Company FFF also makes a widget, but in country A (as in US of A) and pays income tax to country A - And Also pays full VAT tax to country X.

Company FFF (and country A) is at a huge competative disadvantage. [Even before considering country X has higher tariffs on widgets, should that be the case.]

Whether the solution is a US (Federal) VAT tax, or "Fair" tax or Sales tax, or a tariff, is over my pay grade.
 
Unless Donald Trump can find the courage, or perhaps independence is a better term, to use a big stick with Putin, Ukraine and Europe might as well fight on together. A Trump negotiated peace deal is looking more and more like abject surrender.

For the life of me I honestly can’t understand why he is so fixated on “peace”…

The argument up until the blow out with Zelenskyy was that the US shouldn’t be paying without obtaining something in return…

There’s a push within the US population to cut spending.. spending on Ukraine was a pretty easy target since much of the US population is ignorant of the history, any strategic value, etc.. and Ukraine is a million miles away as far as they are concerned.. combined with the US being war weary after 20+ years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc etc..

So why does Trump care if the Ukrainians and Russians continue to duke it out for another 20 years or if the war ends tomorrow?

The only decision I thought was important to him was whether or not to continue to fund (and get something in return for doing so) or to walk away…

(Understanding it’s more complex than that.. Ukraine is also a tool for leveraging NATO to get righteous on spending, Germany to stop buying Russian energy, etc etc)…

So at this point if it’s clear Z isn’t giving up anything.. why not just walk away and leave it to Europe and Ukraine to figure out? That’s what he said he was going to do…

“Peace” certainly isn’t a genuine motivator..
 
On the VAT tax thing, compare the advantage to a federal income tax where the USA gets screwed. Assume no tariffs to keep it simple.

Company A (as in US of) has a tax on income made in the US. No (federal) sales tax. And No tax on income made and reported in some other country so long as those dollars stay overseas.

Country X has a VAT tax on anything Sold within it's borders. Even if made in country A, or B, or C...etc. (Probably some income tax on income made/reported in X as well.)

Company zzz makes widgets in country X, marks them up (way up) and sells to their US affialiate - thereby keeping almost all of the income in country X. Country A gets minimal tax benefit from the foreign produced widgets.

Company FFF also makes a widget, but in country A (as in US of A) and pays income tax to country A - And Also pays full VAT tax to country X.

Company FFF (and country A) is at a huge competative disadvantage. [Even before considering country X has higher tariffs on widgets, should that be the case.]

Whether the solution is a US (Federal) VAT tax, or "Fair" tax or Sales tax, or a tariff, is over my pay grade.
That argument ignores a few things.

Firstly, company FFF isn't paying a penny in VAT. The consumer pays the VAT, not the company. Not a single dollar of it flows from company FFF to country X. It is not a production cost, it is not a cost of doing business, it is a cost associated with the end consumer exercizing the privilege to buy an item. Hence, Country X consumers pay their own government. Money does not flow from country A to country X. Company FFF is simply required to charge the consumer for the VAT at the point of sale, then send that to the government. Company zzz also needs to do that to sell their widget in that country.

FFF pays country A income tax (tax on profits really, but we'll go with income tax) for income made in country A, and country x income tax for income made in country x. That's it. Country A sales tax they don't pay, the US consumer does.

By contrast, company zzz actually IS paying country X VAT. They are selling to 'themselves', the subsidiary, and so they need to charge 'themselves' for an output VAT. By exporting out of the country assigning the VAT, they become 'the end user' and are left holding the bag on VAT. As such, they're likely to do all they can to sell to the US subsidiary at the lowest possible price they think they can get away with without being done for tax evasion. To avoid paying their own government money for the privilege of selling their own product in a foreign market.

ZZZ pays country x corporate income tax, and country x VAT. Plus country A income tax for income made in country A through the subsidiary. Country A sales tax they don't pay, because just like VAT, it's paid by the US consumer, not the company.

Of course, given that corporate income tax is lower in the US than in the EU (by about 0.5% on average), they'll probably try and log as much of the income as they can to the country A subsidiary and pay the tax to that government rather than their own, because that means that the company overall pays less income tax. We all like that!


Overall, ZZZ pays their home country VAT for producing there, their own country for sales made at home, and the foreign country income tax for income made in the foreign market.

FFF by contrast pays their home country income tax on stuff sold at home, and the foreign country income tax on income made in their market.


On a country level, there is a big difference in how much each government collects from these sales, but only because corporation tax rates differ, and the rate at which the countries tax their own consumers differs.

You can complain that US sales taxes are lower than EU sales taxes, or that US corporation taxes are lower than EU corporation taxes if you like, because it does of course mean that the US gets less tax income from the sale of ANY widget in their market, no matter if it's made at home or abroad.

But once again, VAT is not a factor, or if it is, it simply serves as tax burden on the EU company trying to compete in the US with the domestic companies... I also don't think you really want the US government to accept this fact and raise US sales and corporation taxes to match EU ones... even if it would give the US a level playing field on trade.

Pretty Excel sheet again as it makes it easier for me to keep straight at least:

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For the life of me I honestly can’t understand why he is so fixated on “peace”…

The argument up until the blow out with Zelenskyy was that the US shouldn’t be paying without obtaining something in return…

There’s a push within the US population to cut spending.. spending on Ukraine was a pretty easy target since much of the US population is ignorant of the history, any strategic value, etc.. and Ukraine is a million miles away as far as they are concerned.. combined with the US being war weary after 20+ years in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc etc..

So why does Trump care if the Ukrainians and Russians continue to duke it out for another 20 years or if the war ends tomorrow?

The only decision I thought was important to him was whether or not to continue to fund (and get something in return for doing so) or to walk away…

(Understanding it’s more complex than that.. Ukraine is also a tool for leveraging NATO to get righteous on spending, Germany to stop buying Russian energy, etc etc)…

So at this point if it’s clear Z isn’t giving up anything.. why not just walk away and leave it to Europe and Ukraine to figure out? That’s what he said he was going to do…

“Peace” certainly isn’t a genuine motivator..
I think both Ukraine and the administration's incomprehensible tariff initiatives (throw in some Greenland chaos as well) are bleeding Trump of support among everyone but his blindly loyal 35%. The most recent Gallup poll conducted in the first part of this month and published on the 18th shows that 46% of the American people believe we are not doing enough to help Ukraine and 23% believe we are doing about the right amount. That means 69% support assisting Ukraine. Only 30% think we are doing too much. The base is very loyal, but it will not carry the House next year.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/658193/support-greater-role-ukraine-climbs-high.aspx

If a meaningful tariff "tax" hits over the next six to eight months as well, the two issues could spell catastrophe for the Trump agenda for the remainder of his term. A recession, the predictions of which seem to assess one as increasing, would be a disaster.

Except for the border and the annoyance of wokeism, I am beginning to think that may not be a bad thing for the country. A lot of people besides registered democrats would seem to be having similar concerns and to be drawing the same conclusions.

Dwight Eisenhower, first in Europe during WWII and then as the most consequential president of the last century other than perhaps FDR, created the concept of a Western coalition operating its collective, and by extension, US interests. Discarding that, to simply play the role of a bully, seems a remarkably shortsighted strategic view.

Sure, let's get our financial house in order, but let's not be so stupid as to discard the alliance structure that has served us so well for eighty years. And no, that alliance had almost nothing to do with the rampant social spending that has brought us to this economic crossroads.
 
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Firstly, company FFF isn't paying a penny in VAT. The consumer pays the VAT, not the company. Not a single dollar of it flows from company FFF to country X. It is not a production cost, it is not a cost of doing business, it is a cost associated with the end consumer exercizing the privilege to buy an item. Hence, Country X consumers pay their own government. Money does not flow from country A to country X. Company FFF is simply required to charge the consumer for the VAT at the point of sale, then send that to the government. Company zzz also needs to do that to sell their widget in that country.
Same difference. The VAT tax charged by country X makes the US made widgets exported to X less competative since a similar tax is not charged on country X manufactured widgets sold in the US.

The US is foolish for not having their own version of the VAT - which could be fully or partially offset by lower income taxes.
 
The US is foolish for not having their own version of the VAT - which could be fully or partially offset by lower income taxes.

The problem is that VAT would be a new tax, and income taxes would never be lowered…

Sorta like every time a new toll road is put in.. the state assures its citizens the toll will go away as soon as the cost of the road is recouped..

And 30 years later the toll is still in place with new excuses why the state can’t let those dollars go…
 
Same difference. The VAT tax charged by country X makes the US made widgets exported to X less competative since a similar tax is not charged on country X manufactured widgets sold in the US.

The US is foolish for not having their own version of the VAT - which could be fully or partially offset by lower income taxes.
Sigh.

Do I have to go into this again? I did it twice already. Did pretty excel tables and everything.

No, it is not making US widgets less competitive.

Widgets in country x, no matter if there's made in the us, or the home country, or on freaking Jupiter. Will ALL have VAT assigned to them, at EXACTLY the same rate. It's a simple tax burden, paid for by the consumer. It isn't discriminating against US widgets, or anyone else's' widgets.

I reiterate, AGAIN. The companies doing the selling aren't paying VAT. It is not a tax burden borne by the US company, or the domestic company. It is borne, purely, and entirely, and exclusively, by the country x consumer, living in country x, who pays it to his own government. The US company has no dog in that fight, and no part in that interaction. The government of that nation likes taxing its citizens to buy things. Simple as that. It doesn't care where they're made.

On the US side, no widgets have VAT assigned, only sales tax. All companies, foreign, domestic or extraterrestrial have a level playing field, once again.

There is no functional difference between VAT and sales tax as it pertains to imports. Except in those situations where a company which is based in a country that DOES levy VAT, tries to sell to their own wholly owned subsidiary in a country that does not levy tax. In that case, the presence of a VAT in their home nation makes selling into a foreign market MORE expensive, granting the US domestic competitor an ADVANTAGE.

There is no possible situation in which the VAT can make a US company selling into Europe less competitive than any local company. Not one. At all.

What VAT DOES do, is act in exactly the same way as ANY OTHER TAX levied by a foreign country at a higher rate than the US does; it allows that higher taxing nation to collect more tax revenue from goods sold in their country. Irrespective of if those goods are made locally, or abroad.

That does mean that an EU nation who sees $100 of goods sold in their home market collects more taxes on that $100 than does the US when they have $100 of goods sold in the US. But once again, it does not matter if that $100 of goods is made in the US, or just down the road. It doesn't for the US, or for the EU market, in fact. The only one who can really complain about that higher tax take is the local consumer. The company doesn't care. They don't pay it.

Complaining about VAT being high is basically complaining that you're upset that the EU taxes their citizens at a higher rate than the US taxes it's citizens. Fair enough, and I'm sure our EU members appreciate that concern, but I don't think the EU government is going to listen to the US dictate their internal taxation policies any time soon. Frankly, nor should they.

You could always lobby your congressman to increase sales tax in the US to match EU VAT if you like? That'd solve your problem just as well, and is probably something more achievable for you as a US citizen than telling EU nations they must drop theirs... You could lobby to bump corporation taxes by 0.5% to meet parity with EU rates whilst you're at it? That'd be even more equitable.

Hopefully third time is the charm!
 
The problem is that VAT would be a new tax, and income taxes would never be lowered…

Sorta like every time a new toll road is put in.. the state assures its citizens the toll will go away as soon as the cost of the road is recouped..

And 30 years later the toll is still in place with new excuses why the state can’t let those dollars go…
You are probably correct, but wouldn't it be nice to see everyone - even drug dealers - paying something into the system since a VAT, or sales tax is charged at the retail level?

Apple computer is an example that buries their income tax overseas. I dare say they would, and should, contribute significantly. Like towards an aircraft carrier or two.

And yes, I realize the consumer is actually who would pay the tax. Same difference, whether the company pays first (income tax - currently avoided) and passes it on, or the consumer pays direct.
 

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