Politics

[Wheels]

And now a worrying development here....

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.....also if you are a moderator on a group chat you are also liable for what others post/say....

Zambian cyber-security law: US embassy issues alert

The US says a new Zambian law is more intrusive than equivalents in many other countries.

www.bbc.com

Wow, does that mean you will have to close down your Northern Rhodesia WhatsApp group chat.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Who knew…

 

[BSO Dave]

Pretty evident they attacked the capital - I havew none they went through our legal system and were found guilty of what they were charged with. So you support insurrectionists?

LOL... You are obviously grossly misinformed, or in denial as to what actually occurred with these individuals...

All individuals arrested and charged with crimes for J-6 were denied due process... Hundreds of citizens that the Biden DOJ acknowledged to be non-violent attendees were denied their entire due process including bail, plea hearings, access to legal defense and speedy trial...

I didn't think I could get you to show your actual colors by using the word "insurrectionist"... If you truly believe that what occurred on J-6 at the Capitol was an actual insurrection, you are truly lost my friend...

An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.

nypost.com

 

[bowjijohn]

Wow, does that mean you will have to close down your Northern Rhodesia WhatsApp group chat.

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It was called the GNR

Great North Road

For those of us borne in N Rhodesia

 

[jruby]

LOL... You are obviously grossly misinformed, or in denial as to what actually occurred with these individuals...

All individuals arrested and charged with crimes for J-6 were denied due process... Hundreds of citizens that the Biden DOJ acknowledged to be non-violent attendees were denied their entire due process including bail, plea hearings, access to legal defense and speedy trial...

I didn't think I could get you to show your actual colors by using the word "insurrectionist"... If you truly believe that what occurred on J-6 at the Capitol was an actual insurrection, you are truly lost my friend...

An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.

nypost.com

Of the more than 1,265 individuals charged since Jan. 6, 2021, department prosecutors have secured more than 718 guilty pleas -- including 213 who pleaded to felonies that include assaults on federal officers, obstructing law enforcement and seditious conspiracy.

3 years later, Jan. 6 by the numbers: More than 1,200 charged, more than 460 imprisoned for role in Capitol attack

In the three years since Jan. 6, federal prosecutors have charged more than 1,265 defendants across nearly all 50 states and D.C.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Wheels]

It’s definitely a weird cause for the democrats to be so hung up on. It’s the same kind of tone deaf nonsense that cost them the election.

We’ll see how that works for them in the midterms. Much is made about Trump self immolating but the fact the dems have, apparently, managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory twice causes me to wonder if they have enough self awareness to actually make gains in the midterms. I’m unconvinced based on their political focus thus far.

The average American doesn’t consider the fate of an illegal alien, gang member to be of great constitutional import since they are neither of those things yet I see democrats trying to frame this in a “if it can happen to him it can happen to you” light. The average American voter is neither of those things, so why should they care?

Yet they paint this as a crisis that will somehow end in actual Americans getting sent abroad and a devolution into a Russian style police state. I think this is a losing issue for them. The right is happy to see him deported and the middle doesn’t care. Only the far left sees themselves in a wife-beating, member of ms-13.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912979679461691665

 

[Wheels]

So where does it say specifically who is and who is not protected by the 14th amendment?

Interpretation: The Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Fourteenth Amendment Due Process Clause by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

It states the governments repsonsibiliy not the individuals repsonsibility only thier rights
You do believe in the constitution, right?

I'm not overly concerned about "interpretations" of anything related to the Constitution. I prefer reading it myself.

The 14th Amendment was to give citizenship to slaves. It didn't even give citizenships to American Indians, much less illegal immigrants who have broken the law to get into the country.

 

[BSO Dave]

Of the more than 1,265 individuals charged since Jan. 6, 2021, department prosecutors have secured more than 718 guilty pleas -- including 213 who pleaded to felonies that include assaults on federal officers, obstructing law enforcement and seditious conspiracy.

First of all, this comment above has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that they were ALL denied due process in one form or another throughout the ordeal... Your original post addressed your apparent outrage over due process being denied to illegal aliens and terrorists, and you justified that argument by waving your uncodified interpretation of the Constitution in my face... Yet, when I challenged you on the same due process violations in regard to American citizens your answer to me is that they were insurrectionists... That sort of blatant hypocrisy is actually no surprise from anyone who seriously uses the word insurrection in regard to J-6... LOL...!

Second, it's all irrelevant now... Trump rightfully pardoned or commuted the sentences the vast majority of so-called "offenders"... The handful of violent protesters who actually committed real crimes have not been granted pardons and rightfully so...

 

[Wheels]

It was called the GNR

Great North Road

For those of us borne in N Rhodesia

I lived 200 meters from the GNR in my youth. A couple hundred km NE of Nakonde/Tunduma.

Just giving Mike grief over some of his WhatsApp posts, now that the government may be spying on him.

 

[spike.t]

I believe that the constitution apllies to anyone in our country.

Fk me excellent..am on my way , so when I get there I can buy as many guns as I want....2nd amendment and all that

 

[Altitude sickness]

I believe in the constitution and the law ( our judicial system ).

Jruby, this Maryland family man. Was working his way up the chain of command of MS 13 he was still not a “made man”. But working through his merit badges.

besides the pile of circumstantial evidence. He, himself stated in his deportation hearing that he wanted asylum. Because he feared for his life from (RIVAL GANGS) How would you describe a rival gang to someone.

I define it as one gang having a separate gang as an enemy. So if someone says they are afraid of a rival gang. You first have to be in a gang to have a rival gang.

MS 13 members are only allowed to hang out with other members. Not the public. He was arrested at a Home Depot standing with known members.


Let’s hope the leftists keep this nonsense up. It puts them outside of 90% of the US population.

The media and extreme leftist support men in girls sports, cutting genitalia from children, and extremely violent gang members killing and raping women.

 

[Brent in Az]

I believe in the constitution and the law ( our judicial system ).

You seem to believe in whatever fits your narrative.

 

[jruby]

First of all, this comment above has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that they were ALL denied due process in one form or another throughout the ordeal... Your original post addressed your apparent outrage over due process being denied to illegal aliens and terrorists, and you justified that argument by waving your uncodified interpretation of the Constitution in my face... Yet, when I challenged you on the same due process violations in regard to American citizens your answer to me is that they were insurrectionists... That sort of blatant hypocrisy is actually no surprise from anyone who seriously uses the word insurrection in regard to J-6... LOL...!

Second, it's all irrelevant now... Trump rightfully pardoned or commuted the sentences the vast majority of so-called "offenders"... The handful of violent protesters who actually committed real crimes have not been granted pardons and rightfully so...

Trump pardoning them to me was a crime. When somone willingly admits to a felony in a court of law by thier own admitance seems hard to defend thier actions. Trump not being charged with insurrection to me is amazing, not the right word but close enough. Yes, it is over and a sad note in US history books. Not too sure how to explain that one so it makes sense even to myself.

As far as due process - McCarthy could have released that 41,000 hours of film to the public instead of Carlson - Wasnt McCarthy a Republican

 

[jruby]

Jruby, this Maryland family man. Was working his way up the chain of command of MS 13 he was still not a “made man”. But working through his merit badges.

besides the pile of circumstantial evidence. He, himself stated in his deportation hearing that he wanted asylum. Because he feared for his life from (RIVAL GANGS) How would you describe a rival gang to someone.

I define it as one gang having a separate gang as an enemy. So if someone says they are afraid of a rival gang. You first have to be in a gang to have a rival gang.

MS 13 members are only allowed to hang out with other members. Not the public. He was arrested at a Home Depot standing with known members.

I am concerned with MS13 does that make me a gang member?

Let’s hope the leftists keep this nonsense up. It puts them outside of 90% of the US population.

The media and extreme leftist support men in girls sports, cutting genitalia from children, and extremely violent gang members killing and raping women.

Then prove it in a court of law. If they have such sound facts it would be rather easy to do and then very few could complain including myself. I dont want criminals here in teh states but simply accusing someone should not be sufficent to put them in prison.

 

[BSO Dave]

Trump pardoning them to me was a crime. When somone willingly admits to a felony in a court of law by thier own admitance seems hard to defend thier actions. Trump not being charged with insurrection to me is amazing, not the right word but close enough. Yes, it is over and a sad note in US history books. Not too sure how to explain that one so it makes sense even to myself.

As far as due process - McCarthy could have released that 41,000 hours of film to the public instead of Carlson - Wasnt McCarthy a Republican

My misguided friend,

All of your subsequent posts have been gaslighting around the original topic that YOU brought up which is due process and who is actually entitled to it... By alleging that in your view, illegal aliens and terrorists are entitled to due process by the Constitution, yet our own U.S. citizens are not, is the ultimate hypocrisy for which you have yet to credibly explain...

Add that to the fact that you view the events of J-6 along with Trump's actions as insurrection is nothing more than terminal TDS... Unless you are prepared to have a factual discussion free of emotion and delusion, we are wasting our time here...

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

Then prove it in a court of law. If they have such sound facts it would be rather easy to do and then very few could complain including myself. I dont want criminals here in teh states but simply accusing someone should not be sufficent to put them in prison.

Trump didn’t put him in prison. El Salvador did. So take it up with them.

He was already here illegally and rather than behaving he punched his wife.

Deporting an illegal alien doesn’t have the same legal burden as putting someone in prison. He didn’t have a right to be in the US and he screwed up. More illegals should keep that in mind.

Your side treating him like Xiong Yan is incredible and isn’t going to win you many converts from the middle.

 

[jruby]

I think any time due process is bypassed for any individual or group of individuals in the United States it is wrong, Period. If it can be proven and not hearsay that due process was not properly followed then the case should be thrown out which I am pretty sure is the standard.

Yes I have TDS - when any president thinks he can simply bypass our constitution I have a problem with them.

 

[spike.t]

I am concerned with MS13 does that make me a gang member?

Then prove it in a court of law. If they have such sound facts it would be rather easy to do and then very few could complain including myself. I dont want criminals here in teh states but simply accusing someone should not be sufficent to put them in prison.

I am not American....but to put it simply he was at the least an illegal so deport deport deport....and that applies to any country..fk them

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

I think any time due process is bypassed for any individual or group of individuals in the United States it is wrong, Period. If it can be proven and not hearsay that due process was not properly followed then the case should be thrown out which I am pretty sure is the standard.

Yes I have TDS - when any president thinks he can simply bypass our constitution I have a problem with them.

Maybe we’re talking past each other. What due process rights do you think he has that were ignored?

He’s a citizen of El Salvador, illegally in the United States. He can be deported for that alone and at any time. He didn’t have a right to be here.

He wasn’t put in the US prison without trial. He was just sent back where he came from which is a common enough fate when illegal aliens get the attention of the authorities.

Most illegal aliens don’t get picked up because there are too many and most are smart enough to keep their heads down. Mr. Garcia didn’t do that.

 

[Altitude sickness]

He had his due process and an appeal. The only reason he wasn’t kicked out sooner is he purposely lived in a sanctuary city and state.