So you think you need to own a Stopping Rifle...

[Certus]

Agreed, it's the diameter of the bullet, given that the construction and design of the bullets are similar.
I have found that, within reason, diameter and design of the bullet is more significant than the velocity.
As mentioned, I have killed several cape buffalo with 410 grain CEB Safari Raptors in a .50-110 Win. at 1,950 fps, muzzle velocity. All one shot, double lungs. DTR.

Brian

I really want to read all your hunt reports with that rifle.

 

[Certus]

I'm guessing "dead to rights." Acronyms are a lazy man's way of communicating.

IKR LOL.
SWIDT?
AJKIHYHAGD.

Ill see myself out… *hangs head and leaves*

 

[Rare Breed]

You will find much lower felt recoil using IMR3031achieving your same FPS versus your H4895. Sorry I only had loads for my 500 NE not the Jeffery or I would supply them

Also and this has probably been said…to me it’s about want not need. I loved my 375, 404 and 450-400 but “wanted” my 470 not thinking of a stopping rifle I just wanted it

 

[Brian]

Ontario and Mondki,
Yes, DRT means "dead right there.+ I thought it was a common acronyms. My bad.
WTF. Brian

 

[Brian]

470 Capstick yes, 470 NE no. The 458 Lott is more powerful than the 470 NE…

CZ, Yes the 458 Lott has bit higher velocity than the 470 NE in their standard loading.

 

[Brian]

I really want to read all your hunt reports with that rifle.

Certus,
Thank you for your kind words.
Here is the only one that I can find right now. Sorry, it's an old one. This link to AH has the story "Never Mind The Bull" and the video. You just have to scroll half a page to find them both.
Enjoy, Brian

B

Post in thread 'A Cape Buffalo Cow Hunting Story'

May 12, 2017

Stug, Thanks for posting the video! That really adds to it.

• Brian

 

[Ontario Hunter]

Ontario and Mondki,
Yes, DRT means "dead right there.+ I thought it was a common acronyms. My bad.
WTF. Brian

Or "dropped right there"? Or "dirty rotten turd?" This acronym seems to come up a lot in double gun threads so I'm leaning more towards the second explanation. WTF? Want to fart?

 

[Certus]

Certus,
Thank you for your kind words.
Here is the only one that I can find right now. Sorry, it's an old one. This link to AH has the story "Never Mind The Bull" and the video. You just have to scroll half a page to find them both.
Enjoy, Brian

B

Post in thread 'A Cape Buffalo Cow Hunting Story'

May 12, 2017

Stug, Thanks for posting the video! That really adds to it.

• Brian

Thanks but I mean the .50-110

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

WTF?

What the f- - -? The queen mother of all dirty words.

 

[Phfat]

I have come to many of the same conclusions finding my Model 70 in 416 Remington and an 11 pound double in 470 to be very manageable to shoot and handle.

I have a 458 Lott but it is a lot more felt recoil for me. I think the 416 and 470 of reasonable weight are about perfect for hunting clients who must place the first shot with absolute precision.

The 500s and 458 Lott in my view are tools for professionals seeking to sort out a mess often created by a poorly placed shot of a client.

If you as a client can shot the Lott and 500s as well as something smaller, you are probably the exceptional individual. And like Elmer Keith are pretty much recoil proof.People like that should shoot whatever they can handle. The rest of us are better off with a “light heavyweight “ which still packs a whale of a punch.

As you mention Elmer Keith, I am forever in awe of his love for BIG calibers, despite him being a physically small man.

He jabbed Jack O'Connor by calling O'Connor's beloved .270 caliber "...an adequate fox hunting caliber."

 

[Ruraldoc]

On one occasion he called the 270 “ A damned fine coyote rifle.”

 

[Jack Stevens]

As you mention Elmer Keith, I am forever in awe of his love for BIG calibers, despite him being a physically small man.

He jabbed Jack O'Connor by calling O'Connor's beloved .270 caliber "...an adequate fox hunting caliber."

O’Connor was recoil shy, despite his military experience shooting the 30-06-chambered 1903.

 

[BJH65]

O’Connor was recoil shy, despite his military experience shooting the 30-06-chambered 1903.

During WW I Jack lied about his age and joined the Army at 15. He was soon discharged for tuberculosis. Upon graduating school, he enlisted in the Navy in 1919 and served as a hospital corpsman aboard the USS Arkansas and was honorably discharged in 1921.

I’m sure like many he could place his shots more accurately with a lighter recoiling rifle like his beloved 270, yet I’m confused about this notion he favored the lightweights, that is simply incorrect. It has been well documented that he favored the 375 H&H for coastal brown bear in Alaska and used 416 Rigby and 450 Watts Magnum in Africa. I believe the 450 Watts would be comparable to the 458 Lott in power and recoil. These are not lightweight rifles. I believe he simply believed in using the correct tool for the job. He felt his 270 was adequate for elk and interior grizzly and used it quite successfully.

 

[Tam Dl]

I love my 458 WM but Winchester seemed to produce the latest Safari Expresses a little light for caliber in regards to the 416 RemMag and 458 WinMag at 9.0lbs.

Running the hottest factory loads (Hornady) it is producing just under 73 ft-lbs of recoil energy.

I'm hoping to bring the rifle weight up to 10lbs in order to drop that recoil down to 65 ft-lbs (less with all other factory loads).

What are some options to add weight aside from adding a scope or drilling the stock?

An option, if you can do it in a way that doesn't weaken a stock is to get the tungsten powder they sell for golf clubs, and mix a slurry up with a quality epoxy like WEST system, or RAKA. You can then get it to bond into the stock. Tungsten is heavier than lead.

 

[Brian]

 

[Brian]

Above post. 50-110 (50-110 custom chamber to true .500 cal) H&R Converted 10 ga shot gun. Velocity is close to 500NE.

 

[IvW]

All this talk about big bores scares me I don't have enough loaded ammo to finish up the year.

12 Oct 18 shots BASA
2 November BASA Corporate shoot 14-16 shots
9-16 Nov a hunt with a friend and playing a bit with rifles 15-20 shots
End of November BASA shoot another 18 rounds

Then in February we start all over with our first of 6 yearly shoots BASA, Mayge another dangeorus game shoot hosted by someone else corporate shoot and maybe one or two more.

Basically I get to shoot 200 rounds of my 458 lott roughly over year and that is just on shoots not at the range to check zero or hunting.

So I get enough practise and I'm sure if your physically capable and in shape you could do it with larger bores as well but it takes time don't think you are going to pick up a 458 or larger and just hit the targets.

It takes getting used too.

Big Question is the DG PH's and outfitters do they get in enough practise?
Not want to stir the pot but we have seen PH's come once to our shoots and never again since he didn't fare that well instead of coming back practising and learning more.
Some stick aporund and become great shots I was there long ago came and thought as a PH no this is easy and I was tottaly wrong.

@DWB is soon going to get his new 500 Jeff in his hands and that will be a new learning cycle I can't wait for him to show off the rifle think the engraving on it is basically done.

What is in my future of bigger bores if the stars align and I can find a proper magnum action that will be a 550 Magnum. I intend to download it and be able to shoot a full day with it without breaking the bank or myself by shooting 650gr bullet at 2150-2200fps that is a dream but we will see.

Unfortuanately the "practice" there goes in the wrong direction for a dg ph, part of why I stopped participating a long time ago....

 

[Brian]

All dressed up and no place to go, 577NE H&R single shot.

 

[Brian]

Christmas present to my wife.

 

[Jack Stevens]

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Christmas present to my wife.

So you’re not a big fan of the wife?