The "Best" big bore cartridges ever created!!!

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((sips drink, yeah this is going to be a big one))

Well, I'm back and have decided after feedback from my last thread to improve my data table to analyse the best big bore cartridges for you!

Why do all of this?
I would like to rationalise the performance of cartridges and their bullets. To logically make clear the performance variables of each cartridge. To allow people to make their own concise choices based on the variables important for them. As hunters and shooters, we compare cartridge performances too much based on our own/others' emotions and anecdotes, stories. Which can make the job of choosing tools to fit our needs more difficult than it needs to be sometimes! Hopefully this table can make the task visually simple while grounding our perspectives. (Note I'm not against people choosing based on other choices, eg, fun, historical value, etc.)

So how does it work and how did I put it together?

First, I've decided to use Hornady factory loads for all the cartridges, different companies will have different results. But Hornady is the only one with the Nitro express cartridge data, and I decided consistency is key. So I'll only be using Hornady data. The data shown will be using their maximum loads. The data will be colour coded, red is bad and green is good.

On the tables you will find:
- Bullet type and weight
- Powder used and amount of
- Max velocity
-Energy of the bullet
- Energy efficiency of the cartridge
( i.e how much energy does the cartridge convert from the powder's chemical to the bullet kinetic energy in percentage)
- Bullets Momentum ( momentum is the bullet impetus, its forward force of motion, which is vital for reaching the vitals)
- Sectional density ( The ratio of a bullet mass to its cross-sectional area. Useful in determining the bullet's penetrative capability in the animal.)
- Sectional area ( The area of the bullet, determined by the diameter of its calibre. Useful in determining the size of the bullet's wounding channel into the animal)

Why am I not using "Taylor's knock out factor"
I believe the TKO number can be a misleading indicator of the performance of a bullet on animals and is arbitrary, for example, a bullet can have an impressive score due to large mass and calibre, but have poor sectional density, which will affect the bullet's performance, incapacitating an animal effectively.

I believe Momentum, sectional density, and sectional area should be considered as independent variables, they cannot be judged or combined. Their mechanical functions are unique and each is equally important as the other. Their role in incapacitating animals is independent of each other.

With low sectional density, a bullet will struggle to penetrate.
With low momentum, a bullet's forward motion is quickly stopped.
With low sectional area, a bullet's wound channel will be small inside the animal, slowing incapacitation.

Without further ado,


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Personal analysis

The best cartridges for big game hunting are, without a doubt, the 458 Win Mag and the 458 Lott, they combine great kill potential with amazing efficiencies with low powder charges comparatively. This leaves little doubt in my mind why these cartridges are the preferred culling and game ranger cartridges of Africa today! The 450 Rigby scored exceptionally good as well. However, you are paying for that performance with a lot more recoil and are over the physical limit of most people. Likewise with the 460 Wby Mag

The 458 calibre are the only ones to have green in every box, every other calibre group had compromises. The 505 Gibbs has impressive killing power, sadly that killing power is on both ends of the rifle, with lowest energy conversion on the list!!! Some people may ask themselves if the lemon is worth the squeeze with this one.

The next best choice would have to be the 400 calibres, with the 416 Remington mag may be the finest choice among them, followed by the 416 Ruger, which is like a unicorn, nobody has seen them ever! :LOL: The 404 Jeffery data does not illustrate its full modern potential but is close to the performance of its original loading. The 416 Rigby, of course, is designed for cordite high temperature pressure sensitivities, which reminds me of sensitive people when I criticise its poor energy conversion efficiency.:sneaky: The 405 Winchester is a great example of a cartridge with a good TKO factor but a terrible cartridge for hunting thick-skinned dangerous game due to poor momentum and sectional density. Lastly, the 416 Wby Mag highlights its high momentum sectional density value, but its low out of balance sectional area value, which might explain why it is prone to over penetrating and wounding animals standing behind the target.

The .358 to 375 calibre all suffer from the same problems, namely a lack of sectional area and a lack of momentum. But except the last 3 cartridges in the group, benefit from reduced recoil. This 375 group will always be valued for its versatility for hunting plains, good trajectories and being the legal minimum for hunting dangerous game. Out of the group, the 375 H&H is the most balanced in performance with moderate recoil. With the benefit of being the most popular. The 375 Rugers performance is great for only a 20-inch barrel, and the 35 Whelen, while greatly efficient, is lacking in the killing power compared to the rest.

Lastly, the double rifle cartridges. The data surprised and highlighted why the 500 Nitro express is the preferred elephant cartridge for good reason, beating the 470 Nitro express in all variables except for producing slightly recoil. With 16 per cent more sectional area and 11 per cent more momentum. It is a significant upgrade in performance for a smaller cartridge case as well, being only 3" long compared to 3 1/4" of the 470 Nitro express. Out of all the cartridges, the 450 Nitro express is the most balanced in efficiency, killing power and recoil, and it is little surprising why it was the most popular cartridge during Africa's golden years before its ban. I think it's time for people to appreciate it again, as the do-it-all powerhouse it truly was!!! (Please start making more factory double rifles in it!)

For recoil reference

If you made it this far, thank you very much for reading.

All criticisms and opinions welcomed.

Tug.
 
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450 Dakota:

The .450 Dakota launches a 500 gr (32 g) at 2,550 ft/s (780 m/s), a 550 gr (36 g) at 2,450 ft/s (750 m/s) and a 600 gr (39 g) at 2,350 ft/s (720 m/s). The .450 Dakota should be considered the ballistic equivalent of the .460 Weatherby Magnum from the standpoint of power and operating pressure. .450 Rigby performance tends to be somewhat lower, due to the 4,000 bar (58,000 psi) Pmax stipulated by the CIP.
 
Wow that looks like it was a lot of work! I was checking it out to see how my beloved 400 H&H would rate. Efficient , powerful and neglected! 81 gr of H4350 will get you 2350 fps with a 400 gr bullet in my rifle. I think max load would be 82gr of that particular powder
 
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Wow that looks like it was a lot of work! I was checking it out to see how my beloved 400 H&H would rate. Efficient , powerful and neglected! 81 gr of H4350 will get you 2350 fps with a 400 gr bullet in my rifle. I think max load would be 82gr of that particular powder
Here's how it would work out, for the numbers you gave me. Pretty much a 416 Rem Mag with a long neck :))


0.30% - 4.17 - 0.344 - 0.132
 
The 450-400 NE is a cartridge that despite its low numbers just works and works well.

Its a great design for its time, maybe it makes up for its other slightly low numbers in performance with its low recoil and high sectional density!
 
7x57 master race checking in
 
For the 505 Gibbs, I assume you used the 525grain bullets. Do the figures differ a lot with modern 600grain bullets?
 
Isn’t the Hornady DGS in .500 Nitro Express 3” technically advertised as achieving 2120 FPS muzzle velocity ?
 
I always find pure numbers kinda statistical interesting but really not relevant in that what is a best anything for one person isn't even inconsideration for the next person. What applies for someone that is recoil sensitive doesn't apply to someone that shoots a 577 well. Also doesn't take into account bullet placement and each animals will to live, how much adrenaline was dumped etc.

My list of rounds that make my list, not caring about cartridge efficiency or muzzle energy etc.

For general everything to entry into DG rounds
9.3x62 bolt, 375 H&H bolt
9.3x74 double, 375 Flanged double

For DG and hammer on general game
416 Rigby Bolt
500/416 NE Double

DG specfic
458 B&M Bolt, 500 Jeffery Bolt
450NE double, 500 NE double
577NE single or double
 
As someone who owns both a 458WM and 470NE it’s an interesting comparison between the two and how much “less efficient” the 470NE is.

All the classic African cartridges with voluptuous case capacities (Cordite) will score poorly here compared to their standard action brethren.

Also, where’s the recoil factor?
 
The Mathematics dont tell anything about the use ability of the weapon. 375Ruger and 416Ruger are made for 20" barrels, and have the same performance as the others with 24" barrel. But until the cartridges is in the shop the old 416Rem and 375HH is the king.
 
Also something going on with the 458WM & 458 Lott data.

Showing only a grain difference between loads and the Lott is rated at 2,150 fps?
 
@Tug

I appreciate the thought you put into this assessment but…

Swift Bullets has an advertisement that states something like,
“The bullet, the single most important, least cost part of your hunt”.

We should consider a cartridge’s efficiency to be in this category, very low cost, but it’s effectiveness is critical to the success of one’s hunt. Don’t blow a $20,000+ hunt (all costs included) by being a cheapskate on how much powder a cartridge burns.

This is your second thread which concerns powder weight to cartridge effectiveness. As I stated in your previous thread, most hunters do not worry about this. I prefer the .416 Remington that I hand load with temperature stable powders. Many others prefer the .416 Rigby first available in the year 1911 at 2300 fps for a 400 gr bullet. Today, both mentioned .416’s reach 2400 fps with the same 400 gr bullets in factory and hand loads. The same bullet at the same velocity produces the same effect on game and trajectories. But, as you indicate the Remington version is more efficient for power burned than the old Rigby. By using less powder, the newer and higher pressure Remington produces less recoil.

Some hunters consider recoil ad a selection factor between these two .416’s and others demand tradition of the Rigby version. To each their own. I’ve never heard or read of anyone worried about the Rigby not being efficient. That is, until now.

There are those on AH that have shot many dangerous game animals with their .375 H&H. They are examples that as long as a cartridge produces a minimum velocity and energy, shot placement overshadows energy, velocity, and of course efficiency of other cartridges. Then there are the advocates of the 450/400 cartridge to include the late John Taylor. There must be something about the it like dead dangerous game with moderate recoil that hunters admire. Its 400 grain .411 bullet at 2150 fps produces over 4000 ft lbs of muzzle energy. This energy level is very similar to the .375 H&H. Both with moderate recoil is what I’d call efficient, acceptable recoil that allows shooters to more accurately put bullets on target. There is a rather distinguished member of AH who has killed more dangerous game with his 450/400 than I ever will with any cartridge!

I have a couple .458 Winchesters and like this cartridge at 2150 fps for a 500 grain bullet producing over 5000 ft lbs of energy. But my trusty .458 at 150 yds has only half the energy than it does at the muzzle. This is NOT efficient as an all-around cartridge. I also have a .458 Lott and .450 Rigby. For close range dangerous game, the .458 Win allows me accurate first shots and lower recoil time as I ready for a second shot, if necessary.

Last week I had a conversation with a PH from Zambia. He is looking for a .458 Lott and desires this much more than an available to him .458 Win. Why, I ask? He told me of having to stop clients’ wounded buffalo as they ran away. This PH desires the higher magazine capacity of a CZ 550 because sometimes he needs extra shots for clean up. Most client hunters do not have that responsibility. We have the responsibility for first shot effectiveness. Shot placement, shot placement…

Then your chart has the several tried and true cartridges in orange and red, meaning not very to poor “Energy efficiency of bullet”. But who cares? These cartridges you indicate are not efficient include:

.416 Rigby
.404 Jeffery
.505 Gibbs
.450/400 NE
.450 NE
.470 NE

I lot of dangerous game has become hunters’ trophies due to these. Personally, I’ve never shot any dangerous game with any of them but I would not hesitate to. That is, other than the recoil of a .505 Gibbs. I shot one twice and figured since I am not a PH that I’ve leave the stopping rifles to them! Others sell their first born to obtain such small cannons!

Keep thinking about ballistics but please factor proven effectiveness into your conclusions. That’s what John Taylor was trying to do with his Knock Out values.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_knock-out_factor
 

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