The Distance to Sight in For Cape Buffalo?

In theory, the 300 g, 375 H&H should cross the line of sight at both 50 and 100 yards. I've yet to experience this in real life on the range, and testing it against a Cape Buffalo is a bit unsettling. I've been told I am too anal, but in a head on charge at 30 yards, bullet placement is EVERYTHING, and the brain shot is the ONLY thing. My standard deviations, using both Barnes TSX and North Fork SCFB, are 1.5" from 50 to 100 yards. At 100 yards, 1.5" will easily put me inside a high heart/lung target space. I might be answering my own question here, but what would your "preferred" zeroing range be?
Yes -50/100 yard zero is not only for 375 HH, but also for other cartridges. (30-06, 308 win, 9.3x62 etc)
Depending where you hunt, distance to buffalo will be from 30 to 100 meters.
Zero at 50, check 100, train at 50 and at 100.
You can take a target closer down to 30 meters, just to verify difference between point of aim to point of impact. 30-50 meters train of hand, 50 to 100 meters train from stick

Vital area of the buffalo is the size of family jumbo pizza and 1 moa does not mean a thing.

Braining the buffalo is not usual kill shot o take.
It is either broad size heart/lung shot, or frontal heart shot.

Brain shot is defensive shot, in case of charge at extreme close range. It can also destroy valuable trophy, the margin of error is extremely low. You can hit the horn or the boss, at longer distance.
 
My current DG rifles are a .375 H&H, shooting 300 grain bullets and a .416 Hoffman shooting 400 grain bullets. Both are sighted in at 100 yards. Buffalo are big targets, so with a 100 yard zero I’m good from point blank to 150 yards. Those two rifles are all I need for all my future buffalo hunting, though I’ve been giving thought to getting another 470 as I want to hunt another elephant or two before I’m too old to hunt them again.

I used to shoot a .458 Winchester and a 470 NE, those were both set for 50 yards. Other than for elephant bulls, I really prefer the .375 & .416.

BTW, when a buffalo charges you don’t generally have time to aim. You point the gun and shoot like a shotgun in the very brief time you have. If you have time to actually aim, the buffalo came from farther than normal. From start to finish, most charges are over in less than five seconds. You throw your gun up and pull the fucking trigger, like RIGHT NOW. The only time I’ve been charged was by an unwounded buffalo from about 12 yards or so, there was 2-3 seconds before the buffalo was on us. It got shot by both of us at a few feet distance. You can’t aim in such situations.
 
My current DG rifles are a .375 H&H, shooting 300 grain bullets and a .416 Hoffman shooting 400 grain bullets. Both are sighted in at 100 yards. Buffalo are big targets, so with a 100 yard zero I’m good from point blank to 150 yards. Those two rifles are all I need for all my future buffalo hunting, though I’ve been giving thought to getting another 470 as I want to hunt another elephant or two before I’m too old to hunt them again.

I used to shoot a .458 Winchester and a 470 NE, those were both set for 50 yards. Other than for elephant bulls, I really prefer the .375 & .416.

BTW, when a buffalo charges you don’t generally have time to aim. You point the gun and shoot like a shotgun in the very brief time you have. If you have time to actually aim, the buffalo came from farther than normal. From start to finish, most charges are over in less than five seconds. You throw your gun up and pull the fucking trigger, like RIGHT NOW. The only time I’ve been charged was by an unwounded buffalo from about 12 yards or so, there was 2-3 seconds before the buffalo was on us. It got shot by both of us at a few feet distance. You can’t aim in such situations.
100%. If you get charged by a buffalo, the lifetime you spent wing shooting will serve you more than the time you put in with your rifle.

Now if you didn’t grow up shooting a shotgun at fast birds, you better practice a whole bunch with your rifle. :cool:
 
Something I said on an earlier thread is worth repeating. As a hunter, I want to Plan and prep for the worst and expect the worst. That way when (if) a charge is encountered, I would be expecting it and not surprised. A charge is a rare thing so not really all that likely. Maybe 1:10 or less? I have been working on plans to hunt a Cape Buffalo for almost two years now. Even went on a practice Safari with my PH last year to get to know one another and learn what I could using WB as practice game.

Both my 375's are zeroed at 100y with Barnes 300g TSX and shoot to same POI at 30/40/50/60/70/80/90/100/110/120y. They are 1" Low at 20y due to the space between the bore and the scope centerline and 1" low at 130/140y and 2" low at 150/160y. They both have longer bbls and get good velocity thus the flatish trajectory. 1"+/- from 20-140y is less variance than my ability to shoot off sticks or off hand in event of a charge.

While observing a small herd of Cape Buffalo in the field last year with my PH, we discussed his MO when hunting with clients using bolt action rifles. He learned this from his Mentor and after discussing this the logic is simple and makes sense: Stalk the buffalo until at a range of about 80y. No more and certainly no less. Why? This is close enough that nearly any client can make a solid 1st shot from sticks into the vitals. That 1st shot is the most important. It is also close enough to get full expansion from the bullet and deep penetration if not a thru and thru shot. This is also far away enough that in the rare case of a charge, the hunter (and the PH) will have time to get off 2-3 more aimed shots each on the beast before he is too close. It does not guarantee that you will drop him in time but if you do not, it is your own fault.

If you are using a heavy dbl rifle with iron sights you will need to be closer, like 50y but that is comparing apples to cannons. The 2nd shot with the dbl is much faster if needed than the bolt gun and possibly less likely to be needed (as long as that 1st shot is true), but the bolt gun has the advantage of a 3rd or 4th shot if needed. Each tool must be used to its best advantage. With practice a 2nd shot with the bolt gun can be sent downrange very quickly.

Plan for and take a 2nd shot asap, no matter how good you think the first shot was and do not wait for the PH to say reload. Do it! FAST. Cycle that bolt hard, all the way back to fully eject the brass and avoid a short cycle jam, then push the bolt forward in a smooth firm motion, closing into battery.

Aim fast, shoot slow and hit the tgt every time. Fast misses are for dummies. Just sayin. easy to say, but harder to do.

The 2nd shot needs to be on any part of the buffalo you can hit but not just aiming at black. Use your noodle and plan for various angles and have shots in mind before you hunt. The hip shot is a good one as it can break down one of the rear legs and if the front was also broken the animal is not going very far. The high shoulder spine shot may be even better. Neck another possibility. Anything that stuns, cripples, slows it down is the goal. Then the 3rd shot can be less frantic and better aimed. If everything goes to hell and he is coming at you fast, just be sure to save the last shot for a frontal brain shot at very close range. His head will be bobbing up and down as he gallops. Time the shot for when the head stops at the lowest point if you can. If you miss the brain, you may still hit the cervical spine or heart. Most buffalo will lower his head to gore you at about 20y. That is the best time to take the last shot. Keep your nerve and make it count. If you miss you are dead. If you run, you are dead. If there is a tree to climb that is a better option but that is usually not available when you most need it.

My PH guided a client on a buff hunt 2yrs ago. The client shot it twice with good hits using a 375HH. He is a good marksman and a experienced hunter. The buff was down but one or two other herd bulls decided to take out their revenge on him while he was down. They were goring him in the nuts. The hunters attempted to shoo them away without result. They called up the Land Cruiser on the radio and the driver drove close to the bulls blowing the horn and the two bulls scattered. Now, my PH instructed the client to place a 3rd insurance shot into the bull's spine from close range. He knelt and fired, but clearly missed the spine. It was a solid chest hit. The bull jumped up but was facing away from them. This is a reminder why you always approach a down/dead buffalo from behind, lol.
The bull facing away, looked over his left shoulder and charged at close range. The usual WTF expletives apply here. The client ran behind the Land Cruiser and the PH who was on the other side and more nimble jumped into the bed of the truck. The bull attacked the Land Cruiser multiple times. It lifted the entire left front wheel about a foot or more off the ground and dropped it, multiple times. The PH shot a shot into the bull's shoulder blades while looking down at it. I think he said he was using a 458WM. The bull did not flinch but attacked the truck again. PH fired a 2nd shot without result. Client at this point had recovered and shot the bull once more. At this point the bull had absorbed six shots at close range. This whole thing is on video if you want to watch it. It is pretty damn wild. I do not recall if they shot any more at that point. Possibly once more but not certain. But then the bull trotted away a short distance and fell over, presumably dead. The client climbed into the safety of the truck and after a suitable time period, they both climbed down and the client placed one more insurance shot into the chest albeit from a slightly longer distance, lol. They are unpredictable animals and this is truly not a typical occurrence. PH told me that the bull did about $6k US damage to the Land Cruiser. Plan for the worst and expect the worst.

Just for balance the last two bulls this PH guided hunts on last year were both killed with two shots each from a 375HH using the same ammo and both dropped within a few yards.
80 yards might be a nice option in a particular area but I’ve done entire hunts and not had an opportunity to shoot any animal past 75 yards. The terrain and brush is going to decide the shot distance you get. Also a charge is already unlikely (I’d think much more unlikely than 1 for 10), but a buffalo deciding to charge immediately after the first shot is even more unlikely especially at 80 yards. Most charges are going to be on follow up. A wild buffalo’s first instinct will be to get away. I would say a farm buffalo that’s habituated to humans is a more dangerous buffalo than a wild buffalo though. I think most people need to abandon this idea of a dramatic show down with a buffalo and focus on a good first shot and as many quick follow ups as they can.
 
My current DG rifles are a .375 H&H, shooting 300 grain bullets and a .416 Hoffman shooting 400 grain bullets. Both are sighted in at 100 yards. Buffalo are big targets, so with a 100 yard zero I’m good from point blank to 150 yards. Those two rifles are all I need for all my future buffalo hunting, though I’ve been giving thought to getting another 470 as I want to hunt another elephant or two before I’m too old to hunt them again.

I used to shoot a .458 Winchester and a 470 NE, those were both set for 50 yards. Other than for elephant bulls, I really prefer the .375 & .416.

BTW, when a buffalo charges you don’t generally have time to aim. You point the gun and shoot like a shotgun in the very brief time you have. If you have time to actually aim, the buffalo came from farther than normal. From start to finish, most charges are over in less than five seconds. You throw your gun up and pull the fucking trigger, like RIGHT NOW. The only time I’ve been charged was by an unwounded buffalo from about 12 yards or so, there was 2-3 seconds before the buffalo was on us. It got shot by both of us at a few feet distance. You can’t aim in such situations.
Best practice for buffalo charge is station eight skeet. Learn to shoot it low gun (target pulled from ready position, mount, and fire) and you will be in good shape if a buffalo charges at twenty yards.
 
80 yards might be a nice option in a particular area but I’ve done entire hunts and not had an opportunity to shoot any animal past 75 yards. The terrain and brush is going to decide the shot distance you get. Also a charge is already unlikely (I’d think much more unlikely than 1 for 10), but a buffalo deciding to charge immediately after the first shot is even more unlikely especially at 80 yards. Most charges are going to be on follow up. A wild buffalo’s first instinct will be to get away. I would say a farm buffalo that’s habituated to humans is a more dangerous buffalo than a wild buffalo though. I think most people need to abandon this idea of a dramatic show down with a buffalo and focus on a good first shot and as many quick follow ups as they can.
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Best practice for buffalo charge is station eight skeet. Learn to shoot it low gun (target pulled from ready position, mount, and fire) and you will be in good shape if a buffalo charges at twenty yards.
When I was young we used to stand at station 8 and after each shot where we broke the target, take a step or two toward the house. With the gun shouldered when I’d call pull I could break targets halfway from station 8 to the house. But I was a lot younger than.
 
Something I said on an earlier thread is worth repeating. As a hunter, I want to Plan and prep for the worst and expect the worst. That way when (if) a charge is encountered, I would be expecting it and not surprised. A charge is a rare thing so not really all that likely. Maybe 1:10 or less? I have been working on plans to hunt a Cape Buffalo for almost two years now. Even went on a practice Safari with my PH last year to get to know one another and learn what I could using WB as practice game.

Both my 375's are zeroed at 100y with Barnes 300g TSX and shoot to same POI at 30/40/50/60/70/80/90/100/110/120y. They are 1" Low at 20y due to the space between the bore and the scope centerline and 1" low at 130/140y and 2" low at 150/160y. They both have longer bbls and get good velocity thus the flatish trajectory. 1"+/- from 20-140y is less variance than my ability to shoot off sticks or off hand in event of a charge.

While observing a small herd of Cape Buffalo in the field last year with my PH, we discussed his MO when hunting with clients using bolt action rifles. He learned this from his Mentor and after discussing this the logic is simple and makes sense: Stalk the buffalo until at a range of about 80y. No more and certainly no less. Why? This is close enough that nearly any client can make a solid 1st shot from sticks into the vitals. That 1st shot is the most important. It is also close enough to get full expansion from the bullet and deep penetration if not a thru and thru shot. This is also far away enough that in the rare case of a charge, the hunter (and the PH) will have time to get off 2-3 more aimed shots each on the beast before he is too close. It does not guarantee that you will drop him in time but if you do not, it is your own fault.

If you are using a heavy dbl rifle with iron sights you will need to be closer, like 50y but that is comparing apples to cannons. The 2nd shot with the dbl is much faster if needed than the bolt gun and possibly less likely to be needed (as long as that 1st shot is true), but the bolt gun has the advantage of a 3rd or 4th shot if needed. Each tool must be used to its best advantage. With practice a 2nd shot with the bolt gun can be sent downrange very quickly.

Plan for and take a 2nd shot asap, no matter how good you think the first shot was and do not wait for the PH to say reload. Do it! FAST. Cycle that bolt hard, all the way back to fully eject the brass and avoid a short cycle jam, then push the bolt forward in a smooth firm motion, closing into battery.

Aim fast, shoot slow and hit the tgt every time. Fast misses are for dummies. Just sayin. easy to say, but harder to do.

The 2nd shot needs to be on any part of the buffalo you can hit but not just aiming at black. Use your noodle and plan for various angles and have shots in mind before you hunt. The hip shot is a good one as it can break down one of the rear legs and if the front was also broken the animal is not going very far. The high shoulder spine shot may be even better. Neck another possibility. Anything that stuns, cripples, slows it down is the goal. Then the 3rd shot can be less frantic and better aimed. If everything goes to hell and he is coming at you fast, just be sure to save the last shot for a frontal brain shot at very close range. His head will be bobbing up and down as he gallops. Time the shot for when the head stops at the lowest point if you can. If you miss the brain, you may still hit the cervical spine or heart. Most buffalo will lower his head to gore you at about 20y. That is the best time to take the last shot. Keep your nerve and make it count. If you miss you are dead. If you run, you are dead. If there is a tree to climb that is a better option but that is usually not available when you most need it.

My PH guided a client on a buff hunt 2yrs ago. The client shot it twice with good hits using a 375HH. He is a good marksman and a experienced hunter. The buff was down but one or two other herd bulls decided to take out their revenge on him while he was down. They were goring him in the nuts. The hunters attempted to shoo them away without result. They called up the Land Cruiser on the radio and the driver drove close to the bulls blowing the horn and the two bulls scattered. Now, my PH instructed the client to place a 3rd insurance shot into the bull's spine from close range. He knelt and fired, but clearly missed the spine. It was a solid chest hit. The bull jumped up but was facing away from them. This is a reminder why you always approach a down/dead buffalo from behind, lol.
The bull facing away, looked over his left shoulder and charged at close range. The usual WTF expletives apply here. The client ran behind the Land Cruiser and the PH who was on the other side and more nimble jumped into the bed of the truck. The bull attacked the Land Cruiser multiple times. It lifted the entire left front wheel about a foot or more off the ground and dropped it, multiple times. The PH shot a shot into the bull's shoulder blades while looking down at it. I think he said he was using a 458WM. The bull did not flinch but attacked the truck again. PH fired a 2nd shot without result. Client at this point had recovered and shot the bull once more. At this point the bull had absorbed six shots at close range. This whole thing is on video if you want to watch it. It is pretty damn wild. I do not recall if they shot any more at that point. Possibly once more but not certain. But then the bull trotted away a short distance and fell over, presumably dead. The client climbed into the safety of the truck and after a suitable time period, they both climbed down and the client placed one more insurance shot into the chest albeit from a slightly longer distance, lol. They are unpredictable animals and this is truly not a typical occurrence. PH told me that the bull did about $6k US damage to the Land Cruiser. Plan for the worst and expect the worst.

Just for balance the last two bulls this PH guided hunts on last year were both killed with two shots each from a 375HH using the same ammo and both dropped within a few yards.
That’s a crazy story! I want to watch that video, can you post the link to it?
 
I would say a farm buffalo that’s habituated to humans is a more dangerous buffalo than a wild buffalo though.
Interesting observation.
Why do you think this is so?
 
I agree with @375Fox. If you can predict animal behavior then you can work with that. Wild animals try to get away from humans most of the time unless pressured, wounded, etc. Animals that have been fed by humans, worked on by humans, transported by humans, etc can be very unpredictable. They can really surprise you sometimes.

When I lived in Alaska, the saying was a good bear will go away from you...a bad bear will do something different or stick around. That's one of the reasons why polls of experienced zoo keepers talk about how dangerous bears are in captivity...you can't always tell what they are going to do. We're talking about Africa DG but that's an example of why animals that have been handled or are used to human activity can be more dangerous than a wild one.
 
Interesting observation.
Why do you think this is so?
I think a lot has to do with supplemental feed and regular interaction. I think the lack of lions on most game farms also changes their behavior. It’s all speculation on my part, but I never expect to see a wild buffalo chase a vehicle. There is a difference in behavior.
 
There is a difference in behavior.
I will need to try once hunting a farm buffalo. I so far had only one wild buff in Caprivi. He stood his ground. Neither run, nor charged.
He already had two broad side lung shots, and spitting blood on the mouth, turned to me, then I took third shot in the head.
 
like others have said, I’d sight in at 50 but also want to be comfortable at 100 for a followup shot or if that is what the Buff offers you. I think it’s more important to develop a practice routine for dangerous game. Mine is 2 to 3 sessions a week. Short with 8-12 rounds each. I put up a set of sticks and work on quickly mounting my 375 and getting rounds off down range. 1 at 25 yards with followup at 50 or 100. Then reverse it, first at 50 with followup at 25. First at 100 and two at 25. I’ll walk down range to see my group and jog back. Then repeat this.

This Buff stood up at 10 yards. One in the shoulder, dropped and spun and charged. Last shot was at 2 yards. All connected exactly where I was aiming. Routine paid off!
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I think you are over thinking this.

I would personally sight in for 100 which should have you pretty close at 50. An inch high at 100 wouldn’t hurt anything.

You aren’t going to be trying to brain shoot a charging buff at 30 yards. A charge scenario is going to be more like 30 feet or less. It doesn’t matter where you sight in you will be low at that kind of distance because of the hight over the bore. Also, your shooting at that point will be instinctive. You will not have time to aim in any thoughtful way. In a charge you will need to shoot both eyes open like a shotgun.
 
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I generally hunt buffalo with a double so I sight in at 50 yards. With a bolt action I am not sure it matters much whether you sight in at 50 or 100 yards as the difference in point of impact difference is small. If you are dealing with a buffalo charge at 30 yards his head is moving more than the difference in point of impact at 50 or 100 yards. For that charge it is much more important that you can control your emotions and have the cross hairs placed in the correct spot and execute the shot for an immediate kill
 
In theory, the 300 g, 375 H&H should cross the line of sight at both 50 and 100 yards. I've yet to experience this in real life on the range, and testing it against a Cape Buffalo is a bit unsettling. I've been told I am too anal, but in a head on charge at 30 yards, bullet placement is EVERYTHING, and the brain shot is the ONLY thing. My standard deviations, using both Barnes TSX and North Fork SCFB, are 1.5" from 50 to 100 yards. At 100 yards, 1.5" will easily put me inside a high heart/lung target space. I might be answering my own question here, but what would your "preferred" zeroing range be?
I agree with you, you're being too anal.

For almost all 300 gr bullets at 2500 fps, POA and POI are the same at 50 and 100 yards, and under a quarter inch high at 75. For the first shot, it's just completely irrelevant where your zero is - a buff's heart is about the size of an NFL football. If you don't put the bullet in the boiler room on the first shot, probability of it being an issue of a loose nut on the trigger is right at 1, and the probability you had the wrong zero distance is, for all intents and purposes, zero.

The thing that matters, as others have pointed out, is how high above center bore the scope is, and that only matters under about 25 yards or so. At that distance, a lot more important is your aim simply being true. With your scope 1.5" above center bore, you're probably around an inch low at 10 or 12 yards. A 50, 100, or 150 yard zero won't change that by any amount that matters.

@Red Leg has the right of it, I think. Zero your 375 at say 150 for PG giving you plenty of reach for that, and you'll be close enough for government work on the big stuff like buff, ele, and hippo.
 
I zero my 375 at 2 inches high at 100 yards using 270 grain TSX. A good all-around bullet for plains game that I wouldn't hesitate to use on a buffalo if need be. This zero give me plenty of reach for plains game.

If I'm definitely out for buffalo I load up using 300 grain TSX / 300 grain CEB solids. With the 2 inch high zero these weights fall in right at the top of the bullseye at 100 yards. Close enough for buffalo.

At any rate, when I'm after buffalo I carry my K-gun sighted dead on at 50 yards for the up close and personal shooting and I have one of the trackers carry my 375 for a longer shot if need be.
 
If I'm in Africa, I'm always hunting big kudu, even if I'm on a DG hunt. If one is standing there at 200 yards, the CZ550 .416 Rigby will have to get the job done. Much easier to do if sighted at 100. Inside of 100, it isn't such a big deal. In a charge, as others have said, it's going to be shotgun style instinctive shooting.

I had this sort of realization when I had a wounded zebra come barreling past me full tilt, broadside about 20 yards away. I instinctively raised the rifle and shot without ever looking through the scope. I didn't even know I was doing it. The bullet hit exactly where it was supposed to and she skidded to a stop. All those hun partridge paid off.
 

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