U.S Election reactions

[Foxi]

 

[gizmo]

While this is not a marijuana discussion thread, I will just say that it should not be the federal government's job to tell the states how to regulated it, just as it was not their job to do the same during prohibition.

I know this is a late post but I agree with you Saul. Either one believes in states rights or they don't (I do!). It's a state issue plain and simple.

 

[larry4831]

Best part is he doesn't even seem to care once he sees he is busted.

Slick Willy on the prowl .....

 

[50lawman]

There's an old saying that I think would be appropriate to share today. Some may remember it, others may resemble it. So here goes.

It's been said, it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. The Donald needs to stop trying to BS everyone about how big this is how many people were there etc., etc., on and on. I could give a rat's ass about it. Just do what you said you would do, take counsel willingly and often, ignore the detractors or you will be giving less than a full measure in doing the job a lot of us gave to you by our votes.

 

[Royal27]

Finally!!!!

Long over due!

 

[Big5]

. . . hopefully this will be the final goodbye.

 

[tigris115]

A fairly interesting take on the issue of the wall. A fair warning that the commentator is quite the potty mouth

 

[spike.t]

 

[Foxi]

not a year and he is out of order.
Think on me.

 

[Foxi]

lets see us this in four years.
Im very keen to see
Foxi

I dig it out that again.
This speech from Donald Trump is really great and impressive and should be not forgotten.
I hope he holds by with wise decisions.
But his image in the european and worldwide press is a desaster.
Why one does to himself this ??
Foxi

 

[Brent in Az]

I' m not worried about Donald Trump, especially in the EU countries run by the Liberal globalists. The smear campaign by the perpetrators of fake news is getting old. The Trump approval ratings have reached 55%. The radical leftist will be their own demise.

 

[Wheels]

But his image in the european and worldwide press is a desaster.
Why one does to himself this ??
Foxi

Foxi,

The media in first world countries is liberal. Most very liberal. Personally, I don't think Trump cares about the media. In fact, I think he revels in all the bad press he gets. He certainly doesn't care about the European media. Der Spiegel's cover of him cutting the head off the Statue of Liberty with a knife may play in Germany. The American media will say, "look how bad Trump is viewed by Germany and the world". Trump doesn't care and the majority of American's don't care right now. We just want things to change. We want the heavy foot of government intervention removed from our throat. American's like freedom. 240 years ago, we had a little skirmish with a motto, "No taxation without representation". Today we are rebelling against rules and being told what to do again. Thankfully the majority of Americans still believe in freedom.

In Europe, you are facing the same things. It started last year with a pin prick to the balloon called the EU, when Britain voted for Brexit. Now people are finding their voice and more pin pricks are happening:

Le Penn

Wilder

FiveStar

Etc.

Germany-Merkel welcomed refugees. Now she is trying to get rid of them since she found out she might loose the election. A populist party won't get control of Germany in this election, but AFD is only growing stronger. Populism is growing throughout Europe. The media cries out that it is horrible. We in America, hear the European media and discount what they say, because we are hearing the same thing over here.

People like Juncker and Tusk talk about how bad it is if the EU folds. Brussels just wants to control peoples lives, and gain more power for themselves. Just like the bureaucrats in Washington DC have done. People in Europe are tired of being told what to do too. Things are changing in Europe and will continue to change. In the next ten years, Europe will have it's share of Donald Trump's and the media will scream and yell and publish bad stories. In ten years will the German media be yelling about what a horrible person Petry or Meuthen are as Chancellor?

You are fortunate, in that Germany, is one of the few financially sound countries in the world. America, along with most countries in Europe have mortgaged the future of their children and grandchildren. The USA government owes $20 trillion. There are apx. 310 million Americans. In other words, each American owes $60,000 in federal debt. This doesn't include the governments unfunded liabilities of $180,000-$250,000 that each of us owe. In other words, each American is responsible for $250,000+ of national debt. Since half of Americans, the poor, will never be able to pay, that means that the average working American's share of the national debt is $500,000 each. My wife and I are then on the hook for $1,000,000. The only way to deal with a problem like this is to debase the currency. Will it look like an Argentina, Zimbabwe, or a Weimar Republic when it all comes unraveled. America is tired of dealing with the type of politicians that have gotten us in this mess. Both democrats and republicans have done this. Trump is a breath of fresh air! He is the first president in 30 years who is trying to watch out for the average American. Most of us don't care what the media says. For our children's and grandchildren's sake, let the media scream all they want.

 

[Foxi]

Servus Wheels,
thank you for your detailed answer.
It seems that times are changing.
Regards from Munic
Foxi

 

[CDorroh]

Foxi,

The media in first world countries is liberal. Most very liberal. Personally, I don't think Trump cares about the media. In fact, I think he revels in all the bad press he gets. He certainly doesn't care about the European media. Der Spiegel's cover of him cutting the head off the Statue of Liberty with a knife may play in Germany. The American media will say, "look how bad Trump is viewed by Germany and the world". Trump doesn't care and the majority of American's don't care right now. We just want things to change. We want the heavy foot of government intervention removed from our throat. American's like freedom. 240 years ago, we had a little skirmish with a motto, "No taxation without representation". Today we are rebelling against rules and being told what to do again. Thankfully the majority of Americans still believe in freedom.

In Europe, you are facing the same things. It started last year with a pin prick to the balloon called the EU, when Britain voted for Brexit. Now people are finding their voice and more pin pricks are happening:

Le Penn

Wilder

FiveStar

Etc.

Germany-Merkel welcomed refugees. Now she is trying to get rid of them since she found out she might loose the election. A populist party won't get control of Germany in this election, but AFD is only growing stronger. Populism is growing throughout Europe. The media cries out that it is horrible. We in America, hear the European media and discount what they say, because we are hearing the same thing over here.

People like Juncker and Tusk talk about how bad it is if the EU folds. Brussels just wants to control peoples lives, and gain more power for themselves. Just like the bureaucrats in Washington DC have done. People in Europe are tired of being told what to do too. Things are changing in Europe and will continue to change. In the next ten years, Europe will have it's share of Donald Trump's and the media will scream and yell and publish bad stories. In ten years will the German media be yelling about what a horrible person Petry or Meuthen are as Chancellor?

You are fortunate, in that Germany, is one of the few financially sound countries in the world. America, along with most countries in Europe have mortgaged the future of their children and grandchildren. The USA government owes $20 trillion. There are apx. 310 million Americans. In other words, each American owes $60,000 in federal debt. This doesn't include the governments unfunded liabilities of $180,000-$250,000 that each of us owe. In other words, each American is responsible for $250,000+ of national debt. Since half of Americans, the poor, will never be able to pay, that means that the average working American's share of the national debt is $500,000 each. My wife and I are then on the hook for $1,000,000. The only way to deal with a problem like this is to debase the currency. Will it look like an Argentina, Zimbabwe, or a Weimar Republic when it all comes unraveled. America is tired of dealing with the type of politicians that have gotten us in this mess. Both democrats and republicans have done this. Trump is a breath of fresh air! He is the first president in 30 years who is trying to watch out for the average American. Most of us don't care what the media says. For our children's and grandchildren's sake, let the media scream all they want.

Couldn't be said any better.

 

[spike.t]

just reading this.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/‘california-is-a-nation-not-a-state’-a-fringe-movement-wants-a-break-from-the-us/ar-AAn5LLx?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=mailsignout


‘California is a nation, not a state’: A fringe movement wants a break from the U.S.

SAN FRANCISCO — About 15 people huddled in a luxury apartment building, munching on danishes as they plotted out their plan to have California secede from the United States.

“I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of an independent California,” Geoff Lewis said as he stood in a glass-walled conference room adorned with California’s grizzly-bear flag and a sign reading “California is a nation, not a state.”

Sweaty onlookers from the gym across the hall peered in curiously.

Bolstered by the election of President Trump, the group, Yes California, is collecting the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a secessionist question on the 2018 ballot. Its goal is to have California become its own country, separate and apart from the United States.

The group is advertising at protests and hosting meetups throughout California. Its leaders say the organization has ballooned to 53 chapters, each of which has meetings like the one here to plot out strategy and recruit volunteers.

“Basically, what we’re witnessing is the birth of a nation,” said Tim Vollmer, 57, an academic consultant from San Francisco. “We can lead what’s left of the free world.”

Their recruiting pitch goes something like this:

California — the most populous state, with nearly 40 million residents — subsidizes other states at a loss, is burdened by a national trade system, doesn’t get a fair say in presidential elections, is diverse and disagrees with much of the rest of the country on immigration, is far ahead of other states on environmental policy and, for the most part, is diametrically opposed to Trump’s positions.

Therefore, the argument goes, conditions are perfect for the Golden State to secede.

Yes California primarily advertises through its Facebook page, which has about 39,000 likes and about the same number of followers; a graphic reads “divorce due to irreconcilable differences,” with a split, jagged heart depicting California on one side and the rest of the country on the other.

“California is different from America,” said Marcus Ruiz Evans, one of the movement’s co-founders, as he sat on the patio of a Starbucks in Fresno. “California is hated. It’s not liked. It’s seen as weird.”

Evans published a 540-page tome in 2012 on why California should secede and is using his indefatigable ability to talk about it to spread that message as far as possible, mostly through Facebook and media appearances.

He has crusaded for California independence for years — he also protested the Obama administration — and said he thinks of himself “as Galileo, Copernicus,” a man whose theories were so revolutionary that they were dismissed until proved true.

Evans is the main point of contact for the chapter leaders, and he handed out purple Yes California T-shirts to attendees of the meeting here. He would occasionally interject with a long, impassioned speech about the importance of California independence or to let the group know it was partnering with an environmentally friendly printer in Culver City.

Clare Hedin, a musician and sound healer, ticked through a set of slides to help people set up their own chapters. Yes California T-shirts should be plentiful and handed out to all attendees (wearing them in meetings is encouraged). A sense of community should be fostered, and people should be asked why they came to the meeting and how they can contribute so they feel personally invested. Each chapter leader should take a different tack; San Franciscans tend to be more touchy-feely than San Diegans, for example.

They debated how California should handle the military. Maybe their new nation should be neutral, such as Switzerland, they mulled. Where should it get its water? Most of it, they reasoned, comes from the Sierra Nevada and the Colorado River, which are in the state. California, Evans said, is the world’s sixth-largest economy and already has money, so that will be fine. The secessionists likened their cause to the legalization of marijuana and same-sex marriage: things that seemed implausible a decade ago but are now the law here.

Yes California doesn’t have any policy positions. Its members don’t know how the new nation’s government would be set up. The group’s goal is to first have the state secede and then figure out how it should run.

“People are asking about the new nation’s vaccine policy, and I’m asking, ‘Are you high?’  ” said Karen Sherman, who holds group meetings at the gay dive bar she owns in San Diego. “We want to explore independence, not create a new country around vaccines.”

The group’s biggest effort is focused on collecting signatures for the initiative. It will ask voters if they want to repeal a section of the state constitution declaring that California is an “inseparable part of the United States of America” and hold a referendum on independence on March 5, 2019. The group started collecting signatures in late January and has six months to complete the task.

For supporters, Trump’s election, the desire of some Californians to lead the resistance to his presidency and the group’s growing volunteer base has given the group a semblance of credibility it has long desired.

The group points to Silicon Valley billionaires — including Peter Thiel, who backs Trump and recently said he supports secession, and Shervin Pishevar, who tweeted after the election that he would fund a campaign for California to become its own nation.

The state legislature hired former Obama attorney general Eric H. Holder Jr. to battle the Trump administration on issues such as immigration. Gov. Jerry Brown (D) vowed that California will continue to push measures to combat climate change and ensure Californians have health insurance coverage regardless of national policy decisions. San Francisco sued the Trump administration over sanctuary cities. But these and other elected officials have not endorsed secession. Some, including Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, said they oppose it.

“Ballot measures are very tough to pass when they’re understandable and you have a relative idea what the consequences are,” said Bill Carrick, Garcetti’s political consultant. “Something like this is a rabbit pulled out of a hat; there’s not a chance in the world it will pass.”

Sue Hirsch, 46, said she is “ashamed to be an American” in the wake of the presidential election.

“I wanted to be here [at the meeting] to be no longer American, but Californian,” said Hirsch, who voted for Hillary Clinton and said she has at least seven professions, including psychic, Uber driver and hypno-transformative masseuse. “I hate what the rest of America has become.”

Evans and his co-founder, Louis Marinelli, are unlikely saviors of the left.

Both men have been registered Republicans. Evans is a former conservative radio host and Marinelli once staunchly opposed same-sex marriage. (He had a change of heart in 2011, embarking on a nationwide tour to persuade conservatives to support same-sex unions.)

Marinelli — a Buffalo native who said he so prefers California that he doesn’t like visiting his mother in New York — now lives in Yekaterinburg, Russia. He said he voted for Trump because he thought it would be good for the California secessionist cause.

He said in an interview that he wants to return to San Diego but is working there while his Russian-born wife sorts out visa issues in the United States. His wife’s hurdles with the U.S. immigration system and frustration with gridlock in Washington led him to embrace secession. He says he also was inspired by the Scottish secessionist movement.

But Yes California has had to fend off a torrent of questions about Russian influence. In September, Marinelli represented the group at a Moscow conference hosted by the Anti-Globalization Movement of Russia; 30 percent of conference funding came from the Russian government, but none went to Yes California, according to its organizer. Yes California opened a “cultural center” at the movement’s Moscow headquarters in December. Marinelli has compared California independence to the annexation of Crimea, and Yes California has received a flurry of news coverage from the government-funded RT.

Marinelli said Yes California is not affiliated in any way with the Russian government.

“We don’t have any communication with or contact with or receive any support of any kind from the Russian government or any Russian government officials,” he said, noting that people have a right to be concerned about allegations of Russian ties. But he also said that false conspiracy theories swirl around the group, including that it allegedly wants California to join Mexico or that it is funded by billionaire liberal donor George Soros.

On the other hand, he said, “if people think that our movement is supported by the Russian government, then maybe they’ll think that this is more realistically going to happen.”

Evans is no fan of Trump, believing he is racist, anti-

immigrant and sexist. He said Yes California is committed to diversity, inclusion and a peaceful, legal secession. He spends most of his days on the phone, calling, emailing and texting people about the group, whose address is a Postal Annex store in a Fresno strip mall.

Yes California has registered with the California Secretary of State’s office but has not yet reported contributions. Marinelli wants to hire a professional fundraiser and paid staff.

At the San Francisco meetup, some were more optimistic than others about the idea of the referendum actually passing. Most acknowledged the chances were slim. But they’re willing to try, as many times as it takes.

“Our whole point is not to get this initiative passed,” Evans said. “It’s to get it in the minds of 40 million people.”

Julie Tate and Adam Taylor contributed to this report.

 

[cpr0312]

just reading this.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/‘california-is-a-nation-not-a-state’-a-fringe-movement-wants-a-break-from-the-us/ar-AAn5LLx?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=mailsignout

Sadly California is and has been run by wack jobs for a long time. The liberal indoctrination runs deep there. Minus Orange County and the upper part of the state where the hunters are, the rest of the state seems hopeless.
This is not aimed as a slight at you Californians on AH, obviously you guys and all other AH members are in the same boat

 

[Wheels]

just reading this.....

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/‘california-is-a-nation-not-a-state’-a-fringe-movement-wants-a-break-from-the-us/ar-AAn5LLx?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=mailsignout

This would be fine with me.

People should have the right of self determination. If they want out and vote that way, they should be able to leave, as long as they take their share of the national debt with them. If they want to share the cost of a joint military, that is fine. If not they are on their own.

 

[Brent in Az]

It will be entertaining to watch California scream for Federal money when they collapse under the weight of socialism.

They will become the American version of Venezuela.

 

[Royal27]

They have the 6th largest economy in the world as I recall.

I think it would be fascinating to see how much more business scrambles out like a drowning rat as soon as they leave the States and taxes go up even more.

 

[Brent in Az]

The California economy size is moot. like all Liberals, they don't know how to manage it. Jerry Brown has already asked the Feds for money to fix the Orroville dam situation, even after getting advice to fix it years ago.