VA Medical Care

This has absolutely been my experience.
I’d agree with this. Wait times and getting seen by the specific clinics take forever. Once seen the doctors have for the most part been good, but like everything it’s subjective to who you get and what day you get then on.

The support and admin staff at some of the hospitals and clinics seemingly go out of their way to act as help prevention. I’ve experienced this on numerous occasions. All of which were in the southern locations I listed, and most of those individuals had never served in the military themselves and this was a job to them. Birmingham, might’ve been my worst experience (2016ish) followed by Houston (2019/2020ish - pre-covid)
 
Ive worked for over 11 years for the VA as a physician. If I could get my care at the VA I would but am a civilian. There have been multiple studies showing that Veterans getting their care outside the VA are many times more likely to have unnecessary or not-indicated procedures.Sadly this is all $ driven. Also the outcomes are statistically better for index procedures done within the VA then outside. Ive had a number of patients see me and Ive told them I wouldn’t recommend a particular procedure then go and have the procedure done in the private sector. Invariably the outside physician tells the patient something to the effect that “the VA just didn’t want to take care of your problem”. The reality is really that the outside provider had boat payments to make. Another issue re bad press and the VA is that it will not aggressively counter false/inaccurate claims made by patients/detractors. In the private sector if a patient is inaccurately (or accurately) criticizing a hospital system they should be prepared for a letter from the hospital lawyer. That never happens at the VA and I can say, having been part of the investigation into some of the complaints, many highly publicized complaints made by patients were absolute fabrications. That said it isnt a perfect system- no system is. All VAs have a patient advocate in place to help patients with issues/grievances and I can say they do avidly advocate in the patients best interests. You wont find that in the private sector.

I had to consider your comment very carefully and overall, I can't agree.

Had the surgery on my back been done, it would have been done through Community Care at the local civilian hospital by a specialist that the V.A. doesn't have. Between the V.A. physicians and administrative I was just prescribed an abundance of pain medications.

The Community Care physician/surgeon was ready to schedule my surgery and to replace the deteriorated disc in my lower spine before my vertebrae fully fused together. After waiting several years. He called to tell me he was retiring and asked if the V.A. was going to approve the surgery. He retired. Everytime I discussed having my back surgery with my 8 different primary care providers over the course of 12 or 13 years at going to Mountain Home V.A. I was just provided higher doses of various pain pills. The specialist surgeon retired, I then went to Nashville, received the diagnosis my vertebrae were to badly fused together and now unable to be operated on and my disc would eventually progressivelycontinue to deteriorate over time.

My step-dad, retired Air Force, Vietnam Vet, worked ariund Agent Orange dispersement aircraft, was only approved 10% V.A. disability, required a heart monitor. The heart monitor wasn't approved by Mountain Home V.A. it took Tricare, Medicare and private insurance to pay for his heart surgery.

After his heart surgery he has been seen by his V.A. primary care who provided blood thinners, he has a V.A. heart doctor at Mountain Home who also prescribed the same blood thinner at a higher dosage, the V.A. heart doctor sent my step-dad to a Community Care heart specialist who also provided under a generic brand name the same blood thinner at a slight reduced dosage. His V.A.primary care physician assistant was replaced by another physician assistant primary care who prescribed the same blood thinner as the other 3 under a different brand name at a higher dosage than the other 3 of his healthcare providers.

The previous is only the starting point. He was taking 30 different prescription meds, 10 of those meds were repeated prescription for the same. 8 of the prescription were for relief of symptoms he never had.

Fast forward, my mom passed away unexpectedly, being the only single adult I was volunteered to look after him. Upon inspecting his meds, I went understatedly ballistic. Between number 3 son and myself getting in contact with all his Healthcare providers number 3 son and I got his meds reduced to 1 blood thinner, and down to 8 needed prescriptions. He is now doing a lot better.

As for the Patient Advocate, only one piss poor experience. Number 3 son, retired Navy Vet, 10% V.A. rating, Beruit, Gulf 1 and 2. A particularly excellent VSO was helping number 3 son to upgrade his V.A. rating. Number 3 son is also a long haul truck driver. He can only schedule V.A. appointments on his days off, which is only on Mondays. It is in his V.A. records his occupation is a long haul truck driver and can only be scheduled appointments on Mondays. The V.A. meticulously and intently scheduled his appointments on days he is working. Went to the VSO, VSO recommended to go see the Patient Advocate, and we did. He couldn't file a complaint until he was seen by a physician for his claim.

You are correct in that patients in the civilian world won't find a Patient Advocate. That's because in the civilian world patients can hire attorneys to sue the civilian medical administrators and physicians for malpractice. Vets have yet to be given the right to sue or hold accountable V.A. health professionals and administrators for malpractice.
 
There is a lot to unpack in the last post RR and Im sure a lot of sensitive topics that I wont even try to touch on. Ill simply say that the idea that you cant sue the VA is an urban legend. True its called a tort claim process but health care providers at the va are just as accountable as anywhere else to med mal liabilities.
 
I’ve found it really depends on the VA Hospital/Area and individual doctors or staff you get. The hospital @Denvir Tire mentions has been the best one I’ve been treated at and only one where I didn’t have negative experiences. I believe some of this has to do with their proximity to Yale and the number of Yale Docs who work/volunteer there.

Other VA Hospitals/Areas I’ve used
Providence, RI
Boston, MA
New Brunswick, NJ
Atlanta, GA
Columbus, GA
Nashville, TN
Jackson, MS
Birmingham, AL
Houston, TX
Waco, TX
San Antonio, TX
College Station, TX
I just started using the VA at 72 and have a disability claim in process, so I don't have a long history with them. However, I agree that the VSO is got to be on the ball. I changed to a different county and got much better service. That being said the VA is like a military unit, it may be great for a few years but then the command and soldiers rotate out and in comes the new, maybe better, maybe worse.
 
There is a lot to unpack in the last post RR and Im sure a lot of sensitive topics that I wont even try to touch on. Ill simply say that the idea that you cant sue the VA is an urban legend. True its called a tort claim process but health care providers at the va are just as accountable as anywhere else to med mal liabilities.
I served in combat arms for 9 years, then got into the Army PA program finished out in the medical corp, never worked in the VA so can't say how it works.
 
It's discouraging to here about the VA in TN. My wife and I are seriously considering moving to The Volunteer State to escape CT.
We'll be informally scouting TN after the SCI show....
 
My son recently retired after 22 years of service and the VA has taken good care of him. Not the same experience I had in the 70’s and 80’s. I haven’t been back to VA since but my son tells me it is different now that people appreciate vets again.
 
I had to consider your comment very carefully and overall, I can't agree.

Had the surgery on my back been done, it would have been done through Community Care at the local civilian hospital by a specialist that the V.A. doesn't have. Between the V.A. physicians and administrative I was just prescribed an abundance of pain medications.

The Community Care physician/surgeon was ready to schedule my surgery and to replace the deteriorated disc in my lower spine before my vertebrae fully fused together. After waiting several years. He called to tell me he was retiring and asked if the V.A. was going to approve the surgery. He retired. Everytime I discussed having my back surgery with my 8 different primary care providers over the course of 12 or 13 years at going to Mountain Home V.A. I was just provided higher doses of various pain pills. The specialist surgeon retired, I then went to Nashville, received the diagnosis my vertebrae were to badly fused together and now unable to be operated on and my disc would eventually progressivelycontinue to deteriorate over time.

My step-dad, retired Air Force, Vietnam Vet, worked ariund Agent Orange dispersement aircraft, was only approved 10% V.A. disability, required a heart monitor. The heart monitor wasn't approved by Mountain Home V.A. it took Tricare, Medicare and private insurance to pay for his heart surgery.

After his heart surgery he has been seen by his V.A. primary care who provided blood thinners, he has a V.A. heart doctor at Mountain Home who also prescribed the same blood thinner at a higher dosage, the V.A. heart doctor sent my step-dad to a Community Care heart specialist who also provided under a generic brand name the same blood thinner at a slight reduced dosage. His V.A.primary care physician assistant was replaced by another physician assistant primary care who prescribed the same blood thinner as the other 3 under a different brand name at a higher dosage than the other 3 of his healthcare providers.

The previous is only the starting point. He was taking 30 different prescription meds, 10 of those meds were repeated prescription for the same. 8 of the prescription were for relief of symptoms he never had.

Fast forward, my mom passed away unexpectedly, being the only single adult I was volunteered to look after him. Upon inspecting his meds, I went understatedly ballistic. Between number 3 son and myself getting in contact with all his Healthcare providers number 3 son and I got his meds reduced to 1 blood thinner, and down to 8 needed prescriptions. He is now doing a lot better.

As for the Patient Advocate, only one piss poor experience. Number 3 son, retired Navy Vet, 10% V.A. rating, Beruit, Gulf 1 and 2. A particularly excellent VSO was helping number 3 son to upgrade his V.A. rating. Number 3 son is also a long haul truck driver. He can only schedule V.A. appointments on his days off, which is only on Mondays. It is in his V.A. records his occupation is a long haul truck driver and can only be scheduled appointments on Mondays. The V.A. meticulously and intently scheduled his appointments on days he is working. Went to the VSO, VSO recommended to go see the Patient Advocate, and we did. He couldn't file a complaint until he was seen by a physician for his claim.

You are correct in that patients in the civilian world won't find a Patient Advocate. That's because in the civilian world patients can hire attorneys to sue the civilian medical administrators and physicians for malpractice. Vets have yet to be given the right to sue or hold accountable V.A. health professionals and administrators for malpractice.
Ridgerunner I fully sympathize with you and are sorry for your prolonged agony, my wife is acquainted with a 50ish man that works in a goldmine here , on job back injury, 2 years of insurance and lawyers and competing, drs, result they waited too long, permanent disability and spreading pain ect. to late to operate, all civilian Drs.,
my experience with the salt lake VA is overall positive ,they are hooked up with the university Drs, and so you get the same Drs on or off campus. my broken leg and numerous shoulder dislocations were treated well. I do agree with Tayloz1 that civilian drs are very $$$ conscious VA drs get paid the same regardless I think, anyone knows different I would like to know. I think I am going to drop my Medicare completely and save about 5 grand a year and go 100% VA unless someone hear could tell me that's a bad idea,? ? EAGER to hear.
 
At 65 I was advised by a veterans advocate that it’s not a great idea to not sign up for Medicare because with a shaky Congress they can pull the funding from the VA any time the get the urge ……., aside from that certain meds are more expensive thru the VA but others are much cheaper and some are no cost thru Medicare.
 
At 65 I was advised by a veterans advocate that it’s not a great idea to not sign up for Medicare because with a shaky Congress they can pull the funding from the VA any time the get the urge ……., aside from that certain meds are more expensive thru the VA but others are much cheaper and some are no cost thru Medicare.
I think by law you will be penalize if you do not sign up for medicare and use tricare for life as your supplement. Then also for the VA Just my opinion.
 
. . . I think I am going to drop my Medicare completely and save about 5 grand a year and go 100% VA unless someone hear could tell me that's a bad idea,? ? EAGER to hear.

I personally would never do that.
 
I probably should provide a longer response.

We have been using Medicare and Tricare for Life for seven years and the only similar coverage we have experienced was my executive health care plan prior to Obama Care ruining it. My spouse has had a couple of surgeries and a bit of ER care followed by hospitalization and ambulance transfer for an infection, all of which could have been quite expensive. We have not had a single bill for that service. Copay on medications has been negligible.

I hasten to add that Medicare is not "free", and it takes a meaningful portion of our social security. That cost is based upon annual income, but the rate maxes out after a very short and steep climb. That said, it is still a bargain.

For some of you who may have left the military some years ago with a limited disability rating, that is something I would highly recommend relooking with the assistance of a VSO.

In spite of being a paratrooper, artilleryman, and Gulf War veteran, I was granted only a 20% disability upon retirement after three decades of service in 2003. That physical was conducted at the VA hospital in Washington DC where the term "adversarial" really does not fully describe the review. I grudgingly was granted 20%, and upon leaving, I swore I would never have anything to do with the VA again.

I was so angry that I went and saw the COS, Rick Shinseki at the time, to inform him. I wanted him to be aware that if an O8 was being treated so dismissively, I could just imagine the reception our enlisted personnel were receiving.

A bit over a year ago, a "young" protégé, now retiring as an O6 :rolleyes: suggested I make an appointment with the local VSO to revisit that finding. I did, and a few months ago I was granted a 100% service related rating. The VSO could not have been more helpful. For any of you who served in the Gulf War or GWOT, a number of health issues have now been determined to be presumptively service related. The contracted doctors and PAs I saw through that process clearly took it for granted that sucking down dust and oil fire smoke, and rucking and jumping out of tall airplanes likely left residual issues.
 
Last edited:
As a 'somewhat younger' vet, and having received VA care in Washington state and now in Texas, it's been pretty damn poor. From different VA facilities not being able to access or see what other providers or notes were input at another facility (which doesn't make much sense to me, being in the medical field) to having appointments that occur, and then NOTHING, 18months go by with no followup. I've learned long ago, that if you aren't your own advocate, then it most likely isn't going to get done by the VA.
 
I waited four years to get my first visit with a primary care provider after retiring from the Army in 2020. It was a horrible visit and I never plan to go back. I only use Tricare for medical coverage.
 
It's discouraging to here about the VA in TN. My wife and I are seriously considering moving to The Volunteer State to escape CT.
We'll be informally scouting TN after the SCI show....

The Tennessee Valley Healthcare System (TVHS) Covers; mot sure if parts of western Kentucky, from Clarksville, Nashville, down to Chattanooga, eastward to Crossville, not sure how far west of Nashville. Central Tennessee toward southeastern Tennessee.

Mountain Home Healthcare System, (MHHS), Johnson City, covers East of I-75, not sure how far south below Knoxville, to the North Carolina border. Not sure how far or even if it covers parts of southeastern Kentucky.

Western Tennessee is covered through Memphis. I have no first hand knowledge or information on this V. A. Healthcare System. I have heard about an even number of pros and cons.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
57,502
Messages
1,232,165
Members
101,161
Latest member
AdrienneSt
 

 

 

Latest posts

Latest profile posts

VIGILAIRE wrote on wesheltonj's profile.
Hi Walden. Good morning from England, Chris here (The Englishman!) from Croatia. Firstly it was a pleasure to meet you and Michelle - a fellow Sanderson! I have finally joined AH as I enjoy it very much. Glad you enjoyed the hunt and your write up which I read on AR was very good indeed. I am sending on WhatsApp pics from Bojan of some of the animals hunted recently. Take care and best regards. CS.
Here are an update on available dates for 2025

Hunting dates available 2025
1-18 March
2-10 April
17-26 April
13-24 May
2 -30 June
8-16 July
26 July - 7 August
23 August - 30 September
LIMPOPO NORTH SAFARIS wrote on RStien321's profile.
Dear RStien321

I noticed your thread this morning.

We would be thrilled to assit you as mentioned in my comment on your thread.

We as Limpopo North Safaris has numerous areas in limpopo that vary between 10 000 to 24 000 acres that we hunt that has all of the animals on your wish list furthermore we have great deal on cull buffalo cows and bulls.

Please let me know if you might be intrested.

Regards
Sampie
John Kirk wrote on Macduff's profile.
Great transaction on some 375 HH ammo super fast shipping great communication
 
Top