Why all the hate for CBL (Captive-Bred Lion) Hunting?

[Russ16]

Maybe it could just be price
Like I said I really don’t know about cbl
And I will probably never hunt one of anykind
It’s the ethical stance for me in this thread mostly

But the think is even if it’s stopped
Is it really? If one has the money to buy a pet big cat. Is anyone going to stop them from shooting there pet?
Go to any cattle sale barn around there a mounted head of a bull. Most here are longhorn or cracker cow.
Is it a head is it a trophy or what? The reason I brought that up. One owner has a watose mounted ( the African long big horned cow)
He said he hunted it. We all know the ranch/ hunting outfit where he went
Well most say - you can call that hunting if you want to but we all know that cow butchering on the range.

Reminds me of a situation around here. Guy had a pet pot bellied pig. Would walk it around the neighborhood etc. those things get big and when it did the neighbors complained to the city. The city cited an ordinance against keeping livestock. She he showed up at the city council meeting and said he was going to slaughter it for bacon. That flipped everyone out dying it was animal cruelty which it would be if the animal was classified as a pet.

So he said if it is livestock I can kill it with no penalty if it is a pet I can keep it with no penalty you choose. This bound them up for weeks. Eventually he kept the pig.

 

[Flbt]

When someone writes half information or misinformation in a respectful way I still find it disrespectful to everyone. That seems to be the common trend when justifying CBL. As I said in an earlier post I’d have more respect for those participating if they openly said they support put and take and cost is their #1 priority instead of this game to pretend CBL is lion conservation.

Why should anyone have to justify what they want to do?
Justify to who?
What makes them worth justifying to?
See that’s the problem
No one needs to justify anything to anyone but themselves especially if it’s legal.

You are a adult? Free? Have your own money?
Your on time?
Your own ethics?
Why justify? Do what you want. If someone else doesn’t like it they can pound sand.

 

[Flbt]

Just make the list someone so we can all know and
Agree!

Next Let’s do hippo on land vs water, behind a fence or free range, baiting or not, fishing with lures or bare hands, walk and swim to africa or fly. Something

Actually sounds fun
And interesting talks

 

[375Fox]

Just make the list someone so we can all know and
Agree!

Next Let’s do hippo on land vs water, behind a fence or free range, baiting or not, fishing with lures or bare hands, walk and swim to africa or fly. Something

This is a practice invented in the last 30 years and has no hunting tradition associated with it. There are a large number of practices most hunters would criticize if we were to call any legal practice ethical.

 

[375Fox]

I don't cost is the #1 priority, I think that is a broad generalization and assumption you are making about other hunters. It might be for some but not for all.

For what it is worth your comment regard Philip was a little disrepectful and think you are being a little emotional about it.

That likely is a broad generalization but appears correct the strongest CBL supporters on AH.

 

[Flbt]

Reminds me of a situation around here. Guy had a pet pot bellied pig. Would walk it around the neighborhood etc. those things get big and when it did the neighbors complained to the city. The city cited an ordinance against keeping livestock. She he showed up at the city council meeting and said he was going to slaughter it for bacon. That flipped everyone out dying it was animal cruelty which it would be if the animal was classified as a pet.

So he said if it is livestock I can kill it with no penalty if it is a pet I can keep it with no penalty you choose. This bound them up for weeks. Eventually he kept the pig.

Thats good

But it depends on the state here a hog belongs to the landowner not sure how the pet vs livestock would go

I do know of potbelly being killed for feral hogs
But they were a breeder for pets turned about 30 lose when the market dropped
And they were just as mean as normal feral hogs

 

[V.Veritas]

When someone writes half information or misinformation in a respectful way I still find it disrespectful to everyone.

Please tell us how you have never done anything like that in your life (on this forum, in you professional or private life). If you did, maybe stop telling others how to conduct themselves and drop the preaching from your high seat?

I consider that to be truly respectful.

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And before you try to read more into my answer than what it really is (a bucket of cold water): No, I have not hunted a CBL, I'm not defending it nor do I condemn those who are interested in one.
To each his own. Live and let live.

I'm done now. Sorry for my loose rant.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Just make the list someone so we can all know and
Agree!

Next Let’s do hippo on land vs water, behind a fence or free range, baiting or not, fishing with lures or bare hands, walk and swim to africa or fly. Something

Use the search function. It’s all been discussed before lol

 

[Uncontrolled_round_feed]

Why should anyone have to justify what they want to do?
Justify to who?
What makes them worth justifying to?
See that’s the problem
No one needs to justify anything to anyone but themselves especially if it’s legal.

You are a adult? Free? Have your own money?
Your on time?
Your own ethics?
Why justify? Do what you want. If someone else doesn’t like it they can pound sand.

In AH and in hunting in general you are part of a community.
The nature of a community is to enforce communal rules. Part of that is showing that you continue to be aligned with the spoken and unspoken rules of the community.
CBL is PR branding. It means ‘farmed lions’
I love hunting for so many reasons. It’s my biggest passion in life. African hunting is a subset of that. Farmed lions is disgusting to me and other conscionable humans. It’s affordable, it’s thrilling, it in some ways is comparable to other ugly forms of hunting (Texas high fence operations).
Some of us are speaking out to say that relatively inexpensive thrill seeking doesn’t justify the damage done by this farming practice

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

I don't cost is the #1 priority, I think that is a broad generalization and assumption you are making about other hunters. It might be for some but not for all.

For what it is worth your comment regard Philip was a little disrepectful and think you are being a little emotional about it.

The #1 argument is literally always: “I can’t afford a wild or wild managed lion so I’m doing this” or worse yet “I’m doing this because it’s more affordable than a wild or wild managed lion”.

 

[375Fox]

Please tell us how you have never done anything like that in your life (on this forum, in you professional or private life). If you did, maybe stop telling others how to conduct themselves and drop the preaching from your high seat?

I consider that to be truly respectful.

Self-righteousness - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

And before you try to read more into my answer than what it really is (a bucket of cold water): No, I have not hunted a CBL, I'm not defending it nor do I condemn those who are interested in one.
To each his own. Live and let live.

I'm done now. Sorry for my loose rant.

I expect to be called out on it if I do. This topic however seems to draw out individuals who disregard all facts even when shown direct from the source. This is a dishonest industry and shouldn’t get support from hunters especially blind support.

 

[Flbt]

This is a practice invented in the last 30 years and has no hunting tradition associated with it. There are a large number of practices most hunters would criticize if we were to call any legal practice ethical.

Why does there have to be tradition?
Some one not yet 30 it’s a tradition longer than there life.
And ethical is your standard.
ETHICS are meaningless they Chang from person to person and place to place
You can have ethics that mean the same to everyone there for there useless

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Had no idea we had so many progressive post-modernists on this forum . With all the talk about subjectivity and the “how dare you judge me” attitudes

 

[Flewis]

I have no desire to ever hunt Lion or any of the big cats. I am also very pro-hunting so this is a numbers thing to me. You kill a pride male and how many lions do you really kill? You only kill one cbl. Again hunt how you want, but neither is for me.

 

[375Fox]

I have no desire to ever hunt Lion or any of the big cats. I am also very pro-hunting so this is a numbers thing to me. You kill a pride male and how many lions do you really kill? You only kill one cbl. Again hunt how you want, but neither is for me.

If you are going to put it that way I’d take into account the anti-poaching dollars one wild lion provides. It saves the littlest animals to the largest. In the event a pride male is killed, yes the youngest cubs will get killed by a new male, however many wild areas will rapidly decline without the money generated by hunting lion. The only money trail from CBL is to the farmer to farm raise more CBL lions for the next hunt. The game farm they shoot them on is a game farm with or without CBL. No money from CBL contributes conservation value just the farming supply chain.

 

[Daisy]

In AH and in hunting in general you are part of a community.
The nature of a community is to enforce communal rules. Part of that is showing that you continue to be aligned with the spoken and unspoken rules of the community.
CBL is PR branding. It means ‘farmed lions’
I love hunting for so many reasons. It’s my biggest passion in life. African hunting is a subset of that. Farmed lions is disgusting to me and other conscionable humans. It’s affordable, it’s thrilling, it in some ways is comparable to other ugly forms of hunting (Texas high fence operations).
Some of us are speaking out to say that relatively inexpensive thrill seeking doesn’t justify the damage done by this farming practice

It’s when you say if you would CBL hunt you are an unconscionable human that gets people.

Can you see how people would react strongly against that?

 

[375Fox]

It’s when you say if you would CBL hunt you are an unconscionable human that gets people.

Can you see how people would react strongly against that?

When a person disregards all consequences of their actions is that not what they are? All major hunting organizations aside from PHASA (who profit from it) condemn the practice but somehow hunters wanting to participate find a roundabout way to justify their actions.

 

[Rare Breed]

My point exactly. Greatly respect people’s opinions but when you make it emotional for yourself and then bully people you have crossed a line with me which is why I am calling out @375 fox on this. Many new members don’t feel comfortable doing this but I have no problem doing it

 

[375Fox]

My point exactly. Greatly respect people’s opinions but when you make it emotional for yourself and then bully people you have crossed a line with me which is why I am calling out @375 fox on this. Many new members don’t feel comfortable doing this but I have no problem doing it

I suppose calling CBL an authentic hunt is like selling a used rifle with new photos. Call it bullying if you like but I don’t tell lies. The practice has no defense and many are willing to present it as something it isn’t.

 

[Rare Breed]

Nice shot though I both admitted my mistake and apologized I don’t think that is within you